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AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:40 am

I just saw 2 days ago on our maintenance schedule, that AC is bringing out of retirement 2 Boeing 767-200ER, which are respectively B767-233ER C-GAVC fin 611 and B767-209ER C-FVNM fin 621. These aircraft are both due for a H-03 check, which takes about 45 to 50 days each, and the first one should be starting on October 31st, so the first one should be flying around December/January. We all tought the 762's were gone for good, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC.... I will try to get more info on these aircraft as soon as possible (why they are taking them out, how they will be configured, and what routes will be served).
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:44 am

That is funny... they retire B74E's for 762ER's..... even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings?

, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC....

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:51 am

How does the 762ER look different than a regular 762?


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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:54 am

Grrreat news for us 762 lovers! Expect to see them RTS in the new livery after their heavy check...

~ even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... ~
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:10 am

Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings

The -200s never wore Canadian titles.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:16 am

Damn ugly ER planes!  Big grin

Good to see AC bringing back some more wide bodies, as they could definitely use the extra capacity.

Quick question: Out of all the 200's that AC ordered, how many of them are ER's?
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:20 am

Too bad they aren't keeping the pretty planes that don't meet their business needs and bringing out more ugly ones that do .... tsk tsk AC...

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:22 am

10 B767-233 (601 to 610)
2 B767-275 (671-672)
2 B767-209ER (621-622)
9 B767-233ER (611 to 619)

For now, only 3 B767-233 (601-602-604), 1 B767-275 (672), 1 B767-209ER (622) and 7 B767-233ER (613 to 619) are still flying, then add another 233ER (611) soon and the other 209ER (621).

[Edited 2004-10-21 04:35:40]
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:39 am

Thanks for the update Mr. Airbus!
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:59 am

A little birdy whispered something in Portuguese to me the other day, thinking Rio or maybe Lisbon for these acft. Rio fits in more with the South American strategy of late.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:09 pm

As much as I'd love to see Lisbon, and the pax levels are there, I think there is enough capacity with Sata and Air Transat flying between Canada and Portugal. Add Skyservice flights to Faro and Air Canada would have to accept low yields, which is hardly the strategy it should take with a shortage of long-haul aircraft.

Rio would be interesting, and eventhough I don't have any idea how much O&D traffic there might be between Toronto and Rio, it's surely a plausible rumour.
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:56 pm

The two planes being brought into service are the last of the 762ERs in the desert. Fin 612 C-GAVF was sold and is being used for parts.

L-1011 encore 2 next?  Smile
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:29 pm

Highly unlikely these aircraft would be deployed on Rio or Lisbon. There are currently no 767-200ER's which are configured with Executive First seating. All existing aircraft are in a 36J/162Y layout, which are used for domestic/transborder/carribbean or seasonal overseas routes, where the forward cabin is utilized as "Super Comfort" or all economy class seating.

Consistent with other long haul South America routes, Rio would be designated with Executive First Seating, and there is no way they would configure 1 aircraft with the former 25J/152Y config.

Regarding Lisbon--was previously served in 1988 as AC884 YYZ-YMX-LIS-MAD, and Portugal being a notoriously low yielding route from Canada, highly unlikely AC would return, with SATA and Transat serving it.
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:31 pm

Always good to see more 767s at AC. MAybe we'll see an order for 7E7s to replace them with  Big grin
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:03 pm

Where were they stored? and how long have they been there?
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:41 pm

"'Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings'

The -200s never wore Canadian titles."

That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.

When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.

CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.

Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.

So when merger proponents talk about "synergies" and all that merger jargon which really is bullsh*t, they really mean that large mergers cause chaos and a clash of cultures (not to mention great human grief from the job losses). And of course inflated costs from dealing with incompatible engine parts inventories, incompatible galley configurations, etc etc.

I still think that when any large enterprise thinks merger, they should think "Penn Central".

Sorry for the thread creep/rant.

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:57 pm

"Where were they stored? and how long have they been there?

I was at MHV in September and I counted 10 AC 762s on the airfield, five were in a good state of preservation, 4 kinda tattered, and 1 was being parted out (engines, nacelles, flight controls, and doors removed)
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:47 pm

L-1011 encore 2 next?

Maybe lease some NW DC-9s?  Smile
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:06 am

The -200s never wore Canadian titles."

That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.

When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.

CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.

Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.


Here's some more Canadian 767 trivia. PWA actually ordered 4 762's in 1980 (with 2 options). This over-ambitious expansion was no doubt fueled by the Alberta oil boom in 1978-1981. The plan was to use them on a YYC-YLW-YVR routing several times a day. When the 1st 2 were delivered in 1983, Alberta was in deep recession. The other 2 were cancelled. The 2 767-275's were used on a number of routes including YWG-YQR-YYC-YVR-SEA none of which made sense for a 762. YYZ was visited on charter. The 762s were sold to AC in 1984 which were compatible with the rest of the AC 762 fleet.

CP Air meanwhile also ordered 4 GE 762's in 1980. This order was cancelled and converted to 733's in 1983-ish. Hence, there was almost some 767-217's!

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:37 am

Even more trivia, these 2 B767-275 have a major difference with other b767-200 in AC's fleet, the forward cargo door on these 2 aircraft is smaller than on other B767's, it can only accommodate containers, no pallets....If any body knows why PWA ordered them with that feature, I would be interested in knowing why!!!
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:33 am

Did they not have any 762s that didn't need the C checks stored? Or are they going to pull them out in Jan/Feb to join the 2 in mx now so they can beef up a great schedule for spring/summer?
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:45 am

I think the smaller door was actually a standard feature on the B762. The large door was an option later when AC ordered their aircraft.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:31 am

YEG to FRA here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:32 pm

Since these planes have been sitting in the desert and are due for an H-03 check, do you think we can expect these to be painted in the new scheme?
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:38 pm

Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation?
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:47 pm

While not 100% sure, I believe one of the aircraft ferried over from the desert and parked at LAX for part of a day before flying out.
Air Canada had requested parking for a B767 for a portion of a day down at Imperial Cargo.
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:10 pm

Interesting your notes about AC's possibility to fly to GIG/Rio de Janeiro or LIS/Lisbon.

Here are some comments about GIG:

- AC increased flights YYZ-GRU to daily direct non-stop. GRU is the only destination of AC served daily in South America. The flights have excellent loads and yields;
- AC is doing particularly well in Brazil since 09/11 because of the new VISA restrictions the US State Dep inposed on transit pax. Brazilians were the highest number of pax in transit in the US, mainly connecting to Asian destinations;
- Since the new transit VISA policy, many Brazilians are now using other connections outside the US, including the YYZ hub. YYZ is particularly used for pax in transit to Japan (note that Brazil has the biggest Japanese community outside Japan);
- AC also has a stronghold in Brazil because of its cooperation with VARIG in the framework of StarAlliance.

So what about Rio?

I see Rio as perfectly feasible for AC. But it would make more sense if AC would serve Rio as an extension of its flights to GRU making the following route YYZ-GRU-GIG.

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:03 pm

Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation?

One acft is currently in Everett Wash. getting it's H3 check done, the other will be moving at the end of the month. The first acft is scheduled to re-enter service is December, and the second in Jan.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:39 pm

Do we have any idea whether or not these aircraft will be used for international serivces (i.e., outfitted with Executive First?)

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:40 am

Maybe they will use them for BOG-YYZ? There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, for a route that had never been operated before.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:30 am

Is the 762, non-ER Gimli Glider still flying?
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:38 am

N1120a, yes the Gimbli Glider (604) is still flying
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:48 am

"There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, for a route that had never been operated before."

-Where are you getting this information? Anyway your a little far off  Smile

 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:43 am

Anyone know the status of C-GAUW (608)? Is it still in the desert?? I had the pleasure of riding jump in this machine ( before Sept 11th of course  Sad )

 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:51 am

Is there any possibility that these 762ER's are going to be used for trans-pac routes out of YVR?
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:09 am

C-GAVC is now being worked on by Goodrich at Everett. Took this picture last Saturday.



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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:45 am

Thanks for the pic LN-MOW.

They would have to paint this place to put it in service wouldn't they? Surely they aren't going to slap the AC logo and maple leaf on it. This would probably mean 4 planes in the new colours by January. Are any other aircraft currently getting D-checks? Is H-3 similar to D?
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:15 pm

Im getting this info from a friend who´s dad is a travel agent. Also, another frined few AC BOG-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-BOG and said that the plane was full both ways. So is he not telling me the truth?
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:10 pm

Travel agents dont know all that much... and one anecdotal experience is not enough to judge what the average load is.

 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:31 pm

Wait Marc, what about travel agent "George", MartinairYYZ's friend? Big grin LMAO

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:52 pm

Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?

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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:08 am

Travel agents can get a good idea of the loads based on comparison of what the lowest fares that are published versus the fares that are actually available. Obviously this only a general idea as the airlines never let the agent see the actual loads as they want the agents to oversell the flights based on the average no show factors for each flight.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:20 am

Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?

AC doesn't offer First class. Business and Economy only. It discontinued First Class in the early 90's.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:11 am

AC 763s Business/Exec. are either 2-2-1 or 1-2-2
AC 762s Business/Exec. are 2-2-2

See for more info.
 
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RE: AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:12 am

Will these "new" B762s have the new livery on the tail or keep the dark blue/black background on their tail as it remains in the above picture?

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