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CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:26 am

Continental Micronesia is planning service to Hiroshima, Japan. They applied with DOT today to offer two weekly flights from Guam starting in April 2005, increasing to four in June 2005. Service would operate with 737-800s:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=301178&docketid=19471

While Continental is not the largest US carrier to Japan, they serve more Japanesse cities than any other US carrier. They currently offer service to Fukoka, Nagoya, Niigata, Okayama, Sapporo, Sendai, and Tokyo, all from Guam. They also offer Newark-Tokyo, Houston-Tokyo, and, soon, Honolulu-Nagoya.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:31 am

Wow!  Wow! Continental is on a roll. The rest of us are going to have to hurry to play catch up!

How many new international destination announcements has CO made in the last few weeks?
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:34 am

Who is largest from the US to Japan? Thats 10 flights from the US to Japan albeit most are from GUM. I assume the largest is NW, but do they really have 10 flights from the US to Japan?
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:40 am

Good to hear Continental is expanding in the Pacific. Hiroshima will be another one of the many cities Continental Micronesia serves from Guam.

A little off topic, but I noticed that Continental has discontinued GUM-KIX service, probably around a year ago, I wonder what the problem was with the flights...high landing fees? Guam flights seem to do very well in Japan with the many CO Micronesia flights and the handful of Japanese tourist flights there and KIX serves Japan's second largest city. Also, a little wishful thinking on my part, but I wonder how viable a flight to Okinawa from Guam would be...I believe Continental and Northwest flew that route in the early 1990s. Okinawa is not a very large area in population, but I wonder if the US Armed Forces' presence on the island could provide some demand as well as tourism. The former especially with the ending of the AMC (Air Mobility Command)'s discontinuation of the "Patriot Express" charters from the US to Kadena AFB. But a GUM flight would probably be more inconvenient and out of the way than going through KIX or NGO for passengers going to the mainland United States. Just thinking aloud...

DeltaMIA: I'd imagine Northwest would be the largest carrier to Japan. This would be measured in the number of passengers flown to/from Japan. While Continental offers many more destinations in Japan, those flights are mostly Continental Micronesia 737-800s and not all of those flights are daily. Continental does fly a couple of widebodies into Narita and there will be 767s going to Chubu next year.

[Edited 2004-10-22 04:44:04]
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:41 am

What A/C does CO use from iah to their pacific hub?
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:42 am

Great news for CoMic.

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I believe its the 767-400.

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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:45 am

CO has one flight that does IAH-GUM with a stop in HNL, Flight #1 on the westbound and #2 on the eastbound. As JBLUA320 said, it is with a 764.

What's frustrating is that there is no direct way for people to get to GUM from the US, unless you happen to live in Hawaii. Therefore, these new routes cater almost entirely to the Japanese market. No person that respects their time and sanity will do IAH-HNL-GUM-HRO just to stick with CO. A connection with UA or NW through NRT would make much more sense.

Now if CO were to start EWR or IAH to GUM nonstop, that could change a lot of things, but there isn't the demand for it and CO just doens't have the equipment for those kind of flights.

[Edited 2004-10-22 04:48:37]
 
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:05 pm

No person that respects their time and sanity will do IAH-HNL-GUM-HRO just to stick with CO

Yeah they will. People do it all the time. Domestically it is done more frequently, but thanks to internet sites like Expedia.com people now spend all day traveling. I see routings all the time that have people go SAV DL ATL DL IND TZ MDW TZ SFO just to save $10. Granted international travel and domestic travel are on two different scales, but people will do what you propose just not 150 per day (or week for that matter).
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:09 pm

We have served GUM-HIJ on a scheduled charter basis for a few years, it's not a surprise to a move to make this a regular service.

Kagoshima, Nakashibetsu, and Okinawa are other destinations we have served similarly, but the only place to which we have expressed operating scheduled service on a consistent basis is Hiroshima. Kagoshima is a possibility but I wouldn't look for it any time soon.

Okinawa has been on-and-off for years, but the fact that it is such a low-yield destination (vacation spot to vacation spot) and US military traffic is not nearly enough to support the route, it was dropped as aircraft were much better used elsewhere.

GUM-KIX was dropped due to aircraft availability issues and the high operating costs at Kansai. The service may be resumed at some point in the future but right now there are much more profitable routes for a 737-800 to be used on.
 
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:11 pm

There has been talk that there is a lot of demand for LAX-GUM nonstop. I was talking to a CO agent at LAX and they were saying that is the main reason it is so hard to non-rev back from HNL-LAX.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:23 pm

Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category.
 
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:03 pm

Could there ever be a ewr/iah-GUM non stop flight in the near future?
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:14 pm

Wow! I didn't expect this odd service, CO is really surprising everyone. I'm quite interested to see how all of this plans out, and if indeed they continue serving all these new destinations.

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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:34 pm

Who is largest from the US to Japan? Thats 10 flights from the US to Japan albeit most are from GUM. I assume the largest is NW, but do they really have 10 flights from the US to Japan?

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That's just one airport at one time of day!

I just took a quick look at NWA's timetables; I'm not totally up on all my airport codes but it looks like about 15 daily flights from the US to NRT, 5-10 from the US to KIX, and 5-10 to NGO. It's hard to tell the exact number because they change some of their flight schedules every couple of weeks and all of the discontinuations and new flights are listed one after another on the timetable. But it's a lot of flights. Sometimes it seems like Northwest is the third major tenant at NRT - they've gotta be the biggest behind JAL and ANA, at least.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:43 pm

I just took a quick look at NWA's timetables; I'm not totally up on all my airport codes but it looks like about 15 daily flights from the US to NRT, 5-10 from the US to KIX, and 5-10 to NGO.

They only operate one daily flight between the US and NGO, to DTW. Two daily flights between the US and Osaka, one each to Detroit and Honoulu. A a good number of daily flights from the US to Tokyo: Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Honolulu, New York City, Guam, Saipan, and Detroit.

They operate a lot of intra-Asia service: Osaka-Taipei, Nagoya-Manila, Tokyo-Shanghai, Tokyo-Busan, etc., etc.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:03 pm

They only operate one daily flight between the US and NGO, to DTW

I count three. Flight 6525 DTW-NGO, flight 1737 MNL-NGO, and flight 1490 SPN-NGO (Saipan is a US territory).

I must have been looking at the wrong column when I said 5-10, but it's still more than one flight from the US to Nagoya.

Two daily flights between the US and Osaka, one each to Detroit and Honoulu.

Yeah, I was looking at the column for Orlando! Sheesh, I think I just looked at the left-hand column for all the destinations I looked up in their pdf.

The Tokyo numbers are about right, though. It's pretty much non-stop NWA action at NRT. I count at least 15 (and I'm looking at the right column), with possibly two or three more, I don't know all these airport codes.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:17 pm

Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category

Hate to bust ya bubble buddy, but it saids Continental on the side of those micronesia based 767s and 737s and CO Mic is CO, meaning these adding of services do fall into CO adding service category.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:18 pm

"I count three. Flight 6525 DTW-NGO, flight 1737 MNL-NGO, and flight 1490 SPN-NGO (Saipan is a US territory)."

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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:45 pm

Northwest is the 2nd largest carrier at Narita behind JAL and ahead of ANA.
 
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:05 pm

KIX is well served by JAL in SPN and ANA in Guam so not much room for CO and I heard Airport fees at KIX we excessive even for Japan..We only have 9 737-800 's so droping KIX helped free up an Airplane another one is saved from GUM-SPN route taken over by Cape Air (Continental Connection)
 
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:21 pm

>>Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category.<<


Incorrect.

CO Micronesia is not a separate division. CO Mike flight are CO flights - carry CO code and operate under CO's ops certificate I believe. CO Mike's financial results are also not broken out separately on CO's balance sheet.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:28 pm

CO would be best advised not to call its first aircraft into Hiroshima the "Enola Gay"  Smokin cool
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:02 am

CO would be best advised not to call its first aircraft into Hiroshima the "Enola Gay"

Ha ha, Enola Gay with the golden tail.  Big grin
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:17 am

Braniff used to fly 747SPs from LAX to Guam nonstop, the flight continued on to Hong Kong (I believe). If CO were to initiate nonstop service from the Lower 48 to Guam it would most likely be via LAX or SFO, there's more demand for CAL Mic's Western Pacific destinations like Denspasar/Bali from the US West Coast than from the Mid-West or Mid-Atlantic States.
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:39 am

I thought CO did operate nonstop to Guam at one point...

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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:50 pm

I thought CO did operate nonstop to Guam at one point...


Nope, they alwats stopped at LAX or HNL before heading to guam
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:36 pm

Spacecadet

Are you talking about (own flights) or code-share? Those two flight numbers look like code-share to me
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RE: CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:00 am

I dont know where he got those flight numbers from but here it is:

DTW-NGO is Flight 71 Departs 3:55p Arrives: 6:20p +1

NGO-MNL is Flight 71 Departs 7:50p Arrives: 10:40p (Both 744)

SPN-NGO is Flight 78 Departs 9:05a Arrives: 11:40a (757-200)

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