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Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:28 pm

Local Detroit news stations reporting a thin build black man was found dead in the wheel well of an american airlines flight from Miami to Detroit at 5am this morning. The flight originated in the Domiomn Republic No further info at this time
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:32 pm


So much for safety. Looks like they really need to check every little nook in the airplane for "stoaways"
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:35 pm

This happened to another AA flight a while back, on an A300 from Montego Bay, Jamaica to JFK. Don't these people realize you don't make it alive? They always get killed.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:35 pm

I remember similiar stories on flights arriving from Cuba and South Asia - bodies have been found on the approach path into LHR, people who climbed into wheelwells on flights from South Asia, froze to death or at least lost conciousness en route, and fell out when the gear were lowered on final approach. Icky.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:29 pm

Wasn't an Arrow Air DC8 eventually written off in SIN,I believe,because a stow-away was crushed in the nosegear-well when the gear was retracted - the crew had indications that the gear wasn't all stowed and they had to return.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:41 pm

I live in Florida, and I am listening to Drew and Mike 101.1 WRIF FM from Detroit online right now and they were just talking about that and thats why I came on here.

So no one noticed him in Miami?
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:56 pm

I guess this guy didn't care for AA's "more room throughout coach" - so he decided to take a seat in his own compartment. Smile

They showed the aircraft this morning on the local news here in Detroit...a crew was changing a tire on the main landing gear when they discovered the body (the aircraft was a 738 which arrived from Miami at 1120pm last nite). No one knows where he climbed into the wheel well....Domincan Republic, Miami or possibly somewhere else.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:10 am

I'm sure AA is busy trying to collect the one-way fare from his family...  Insane TC
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:53 am

Don't these people realize you don't make it alive? They always get killed.

They don't always get killed. I recall in August 2000 the story of the stow-away on an Air France flight from Tahiti to Los Angeles. That particular story got quite a lot of media attention here, not only because the flight involved was routed with a stop through Los Angeles on its way to France, but more importantly because the man actually SURVIVED the 8.5 hour flight in the wheel well.

Quite a story: http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/08/08/airliner.stowaway.ap/
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:55 am

Now that we know how easy it is, all we need is for someone to try it with an explosive belt strapped to their waist.  Insane
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:18 am

Backfire - You hit the nail on the head -- The issue is not stowaways. The issue is how did these people get access to the aircraft. If you can sneak a body aboard you can get something more dastardly aboard as well.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:24 am

I am sure this person got on in DR and died on route to MIA. Why would
anyone risk their life to leave Miami for DETROIT.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:06 am

I am sure this person got on in DR and died on route to MIA. Why would
anyone risk their life to leave Miami for DETROIT.


To get there for free would be one reason.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:06 am

PIA777,

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:20 am

So are the wheel wells pressurized? I would think there is not room for much in the 737. I can understand the 747. The absolute freezing temperatures would get them in the first hour I would imagine.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:28 am

I remember at the beginning of the year there was a story about a BA 747 and they found a dead guy in the wheel well. He had been on it for about a week or so and as it happened the dead guy was 'onboard' on one of my flights!
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:12 am

How much can a flight from the Dominican Republic to Detroit cost, $1500? It's sad that people risk their lives for a relatively small sum of money. I realize that money doesn’t grow on trees but I'll take alive and broke over an expensive funeral any day. Sad
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:17 am

How much can a flight from the Dominican Republic to Detroit cost, $1500? It's sad that people risk their lives for a relatively small sum of money.

Consider that $1500 is a yearly salary in some countries!
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:23 am

PIA777.....been to Detroit lately? Banished to Detroit is not exactly Club Med.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:23 am

When i worked for translift/transaer we had a contract for the late air afrique, a flight from ougadougu a guy hid in the wheel well he survived but fell out on landing in CDG , he was in hospital for a while then deported, however a couple of weeks later the same thing happened but the guy died, scary thing was it was the same guy. One must have to be desperate to try this.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:31 am

This reminds me of a dead body found in the wheelwell of an A330 of LTU in january. Aparently, the body had been in the wheelwell for about a week and was frozen and defrosted a number of times.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:44 am

Been a couple of interesting days at DTW. First a Kalitta 747 shows up, minus an engine. Then AA shows up with 1 pax too many....Does that equal out?
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:51 am

What bothers me the most about this idea is that the wheel well is not a big empty space for long after take-off. How does a person manage to wedge themselves in without getting crushed by the gear???
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:51 am

That is a really gross topic, by the way, was it David Blaine found in there?
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:51 am

The guy was probibly thinking life was even better in DTW than MIA, so he stayed with the plane in MIA. Full Story:


ROMULUS, Mich. (AP) - A man's body was found early Friday in the wheel well of an American Airlines jet from Miami that landed at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

The body was found about 1 a.m. by an airport worker after passengers had disembarked. A cause of death and identity for the man, who was in his 20s, were not immediately known.

Detroit Metro spokeswoman Barbara Hogan said the flight originated in the Caribbean. She said it left Miami on Thursday evening and landed at Detroit Metro about 12:50 a.m.

The Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office was conducting an autopsy, she said.


American Airlines spokeswoman Jacquie Young said the body was found in the left main wheel well of the Boeing 737. She said the death remained under investigation.


People have attempted to stow away on flights in the wheel wells of airliners, a particularly dangerous practice because of extreme temperature and air pressure conditions.



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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:52 am

As backfire said, it's just a matter of time somebody pulls this stunt with an explosive device or something nastier. There's no limit to the imagination and creativity the fanatics who do this sort of thing have.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:02 am

What a jackass!!!! an idiot.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:12 am

What movie did the current Governor of California jump out of ? The wheel well of I believe a 747...................was it "Commando"................into a swamp.

Was it on take-off? Maybe he was just riding on the gear and jumped from about 100 feet?

 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:17 am

First of all, desperite people do desperite things. There was at least one case of a wheel well stowaway who survived on a flight from Cuba to Spain a number of years ago. Second, airlines need to have tighter security as to access anywhere near an aircraft unless authorized. At high risk locations, they should also inspect just prior to takeoff, perhaps using a mirror on a pole or just poking a pole into such hiding places where stowaways or a bomb can be hidden. It is the airlines' responsibity as to stowaways, just as if they let a pax on without a proper id or passport. Perhaps someone could develop for aircraft serving high risk locations some kind of sensor in the wheel well or other areas of the aircraft where bombs or stowayays can be hidden to detect them. If such a device were in a wheel well it could be have a 2d use to detect landing gear problems.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:22 am

It was indeed "Commando", and was a Western DC-10, on takeoff westbound out of LAX. Half-gainer off the nosegear into the "swamp"...

(What a stinker of a movie...)
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:27 am

I thought it was Commando............................LOL

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:06 am

This guy obviously got on in the Dominican Republic, or elsewhere in that region. He could've been in there for days. Some of those places where AA flys their 738's out of MIA aren't exactly known for their airport perimeter security. You wouldn't just go from MIA, you'd be much better off hitch-hiking, Greyhound, stealing a car, flying Spirit, etc.

They said he was found in the main gear well, now I thought the 738 didn't have fully enclosed wheel wells as the tire sticks out.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:12 am

This seems to happen quite frequently...
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:23 am

This happened to another AA flight a while back, on an A300 from Montego Bay, Jamaica to JFK. Don't these people realize you don't make it alive? They always get killed.

Don't you realize that these people are trying to get out of countries where most people can't even speak the local language?

That was pretty harsh.

I feel bad for them, and I hope AA can find better ways to secure their aircraft.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:32 am

Electrabob,
that asinine joke you made was cruel and ignorant. It should be pulled.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:01 am

They've made it alive more than once, or died but not from extreme temperatures or pressure but from falling from the landing gear.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:35 am

But COULD you stay alive if Fido's with you? Then the captain will have to pressurize it down there, and you're with Fido. Give it some Milkbones, and live! Could that happen?
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:40 am

Electrabob,
that asinine joke you made was cruel and ignorant. It should be pulled.


Chill out dude. Jeez.  Insane
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:11 am

"Don't you realize that these people are trying to get out of countries where most people can't even speak the local language?"

Are you saying that mutes are trying to escape the Dominican Republic by riding in landing gear bays?

Now that would be "dumb!"
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:43 am

But COULD you stay alive if Fido's with you? Then the captain will have to pressurize it down there, and you're with Fido. Give it some Milkbones, and live! Could that happen? - NWADC9

I don't think that would change anything. I don't believe that the wheel wells are in any way connected to the baggage compartment. Even if that were the case, the aircraft involved in this latest incident was a 737. As mentioned before, the 737 doesn't have inner gear doors. There would be no way the wheel wells would stay pressurized.
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:06 am

Some of those places where AA flys their 738's out of MIA aren't exactly known for their airport perimeter security.

I thought that foreign airports have to meet certain security standards in order to have direct air service to the United States.
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:19 am

If he had died enroute to MIA, don't you think his limp body would have fallen out once the gear was lowered on approach into MIA.

My guess he wedged himself in what appears to be a small space between the two main gears.
 
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:32 am

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:37 am

Could he have been in the nose gear well? I know that the main 737 gear is not enclosed, but the nose gear is.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:48 am

HlywdCraft Why would you want to listen to Drew and Mike. They are two of the biggest jerks that have ever been on radio!!!
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:46 pm

If this man didn't have airport clearance in the Dominican Republic then somebody should be fired down there. This plane and all the other ones flying out of the Dominican Republic from that airport were at risk. This could have been a lot worse than a frozen man in a wheel well. Look at all the things running through the compartment where the wheel is... I don't know what all those pipes are but I am concerned that there could be a possibility that this guy could have brought down this plane with a crowbar. Thats scary!
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:14 pm

Lets get 1 thing straight. The wheelwells are not pressurised. There is barely enough room for the wheels in both the main and nose wheel well, let alone a body. He would have been crushed on gear retraction.

As someone has already said, it is more of a worry on how he even got airside in the 1st place.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:27 am

**"HlywdCraft Why would you want to listen to Drew and Mike. They are two of the biggest jerks that have ever been on radio!!!"**

Two big jerks that get the highest ratings on Detroit morning shows year after year.

I think they are great, I wish we had them down here in Central Florida, but I have to settle with listening to them online.

I take it you haven't listened to them, or you would have known Mike's love for aviation. He is a pilot and used to be a flight instructor before he came on the radio.
 
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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:40 am

People have to realize that people living in the Dominican Republic, and other islands are trying to escape their country for a better life. Things are very tough down there, and im sure others that have visited the D.R. like myself, has seen how it is there outside of the resorts. Now im not saying its good to have a stow-away, because yes this could have been worse than it is and that isnt good. Airlines and airport security need to work together on this problem.

Not everyone dies, A few years back, a drunk man boarded a BWIA L-1011-500 in the landing gear well from Trinidad to Toronto and survived the trip but later got deported back. Same thing with a man on an Air Transat L-1011-500 from Cuba.

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RE: Man Found Dead In Wheelwell Of AA Flight

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:02 am

hey BWIA330, I was just about to post that...

funny you should call him drunk, because as it turned out, it was the alcohol that kept him alive all the way from Trinidad to Toronto.

75% Alcohol Puncheon Rum!!...if it didn't keep him warm, it would have at least embalmed him  Smile
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