Koenie
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Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:24 am

First of all.. I'm sorry if this isn't the place to post this kind of message but I thought that this was the best place to post it....

Every time I fly I have problems with my ears. Especially during landings.
It's like my eardrums are going to explode. Offcourse I heared the standard chew gum or swallow routines.. but they just don't do the trick.....

So I would like to ask you folks if you know of any other remedies, tricks or things to do to avoid problems like that... as I have to fly BRU-MAD-PTY next week.....

Thanks in advance!!

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:28 am

Koenie,

I have the same problem.. on a recent trip to SAN, I thought my ears were going to bleed! They didn't pop until I was about 15 minutes away from the airport. No yawning, blowing air into the ears, or candy would do anything.. I almost past out!
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:30 am

You might be suffering from mild sinus congestion or something of that sort. I found out that a dose of Sudafed can help - just don't take it if you're driving because it can make you drowsy.
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:32 am

this works most of the time, hold your nose and try to blow out through it as hard as you can, it is the opposite type of compression and causes the pressure to leave in one very large pop sometimes it hurts but just for a seccond then you are fine. good luck with it
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:37 am

COAMiG29, is that now how you end up with a ruptured ear drum(s)?
A yawning motion normally does the trick for me now  Big grin
Old thread, same problem:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1410312

[Edited 2004-10-23 17:44:05]
 
Koenie
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:42 am

ERJ170:
Believe me I know the feeling.. last yr in september during landing on Larnaca in an Austrian Airlines A321 I almost fainted... my head felt like it was going to explode.. and I looked as white as a corpse...
(while some german speaking guy was doing cross signs constantly... a bit scared obviously..... but between his sessions he was trying to get the FA's attention on my case.. and ... then I just wanted to be left alone.. and on the ground)

Backfire:
I'll check on the sudafed but don't know if you can get it without subscription

COAMiG29 and ScottishLaddie:
I've tried that... and it did hurt alot....
thanks for the link Scottishladdie

The only thing that sometimes helps me.. is drinking water during landing...

[Edited 2004-10-23 17:47:20]
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:52 am

My kids doctor gave us years ago a good tip. Nosespray - no prescriptions needed. One spray to your nose before going into the plane, one spray when you leave the gate. Then on your way down, one spray when you leave your cruising altitude. It helps my wife, maybe it helps you too.

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:54 am

Believe it or not my dad gave a simple remedy. Chew gum during take off and landing, it works for me! My ears would do the same thing and pop, I started chewing gum and it went away!
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:00 am

LordHowe: but what nose spray?

NIKV69: as stated.. chewing gum doesn't do the trick  Smile/happy/getting dizzy... luckily it does for you!!!
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:54 am

Koenie,

Nose spray - its simply a small spraybottle with some natriumclorid and some medicine (you should ask your nearest pharmacist) and you put (spray) it to your nostrils. Very effective because the spray makes it go deep in your nose and it opens your nose very good.

Try it - if you can find it.

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:05 am

Hi,

In recent years I have had many problems with my ears when flying. First off try the whole yawning and chewing gum it can help, but if your like me then it won't even make a difference.

I use Earplanes when I fly, they are little blue ear plugs which pretty much do all of the pressure changing for your ears, you sometimes don't even feel the affects of the pressure, but when you can feel it , you can also feele them working and making it easier as you go up and down. You can use them on 2 flights then it suggests you disregard them after that time.

www.cirrushealthcare.com , you should be able to find them at most health care stores and pharmacies , definatly in the ones at airports.

These are brilliant little things and they do really work, i just could'nt fly without them anymore.

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:06 am

"hold your nose and try to blow out through it as hard as you can"

NOT as hard as you can, since that can result in damage to the ears. Instead, gently blow - if it's going to work, it'll work after gentle pressure. It's the way most scuba divers "equalise" the pressure.

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:09 am

I know you said you chew gum but do you only do it at certain points in the flight or for the whole flight? When I used to do it for just certian points it didnt really help but now I chew for the whole flight and it works because instead of waiting till the pressure has built up I am constantly equilizing the pressure. Plus the added bonus, even though I love flying, flying is somewhat stressful and when I am stressed I get bad breath....so it takes care of that problem too.
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:14 am

Be careful about the Valsalva maneuver, where you pinch your nose, close your mouth and blow to equalize the pressure in your ears. It is procedure at some airlines, such as AA and B6, but DL and NW discourage passengers and crew from doing it. You can "blow up your ear," which really means you can have a perilymphatic fistula, or a rupture of the lining of the inner ear, causing vertigo and hearing loss, sometimes a permanent condition. Don't repeat the procedure too many times, or blow too hard.
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:19 am

Changes in cabin pressure can affect everyone. It is simply a fact that some people are more sensitive than others and that is why they experience pain and problems. The same can be said why some people do not experience any pain or discomfort when swimming under water, and others do.

I am not going to repeat all the suggested remedies in this thread and elsewhere (suck a sweet, hold your nostrils and then try to blow through your nose, etc) but the more you fly, the more you ears get used to changes in cabin pressure. If you find that there is still a problem, I suggest you speak to your doctor or visit a hearing specialist/audiologist who might find out what causes the problem, which can normally be cured by treatment or prescription drugs/sprays.

You might experience more discomfort on some flights than others - this is simply due to the fact that the cabin pressure is changing quicker. On my last flight (on an Airbus to please all the Boeingers) I found my ears totally blocked on descent and were still blocked until I came out of baggage reclaim!


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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:21 am

On descent to MSY one time, my ears actually did start bleeding. My doctor had provided me with a good decongestant, but I did not take it in time apparently and the pressure did not equalize untill about 3 minutes before landing. I was deaf for about and hour afterwards. Goodness that hurt!

What do airline pilots that suffer from allergies or colds do in a situation like this? I've heard of navy pilots being grounded for life because they had so much damage done to their sinuses, so I'm sure there is some sort of trick in the trade.

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Koenie
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:55 am

I asked a doctor specialised in travelling. (from a yellow fever vaccination center).. the best he could come up with was chewing gum... so... doctor's don't seem to know either....
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:38 am

Yawning works for me; not a full yawn, just that initial opening up of the back of your throat. I do it over and over until it works. Sometimes it takes 10-12 tries. If I wait too long to try it (if the pressure builds up too much), it won't work anymore, or it'll at least be much harder. Try to do it as soon as you start to feel something. I usuallly have to clear my ears 15 times or so before landing.

Problem is even though cabins are pressurized, they're only pressurized up to an altitude of between 6,500 and 8,500 feet. So it's still like coming down from an 8,500 foot mountain when you land at sea level.
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:49 am

I work for NW and am not aware of any policy discouraging the use of the valsalva manuver. The whold trick is to do it gently. We do discourage the use of hot towels in cups which are held over the ear.

I would also suggest seeing a medical doctor about such a severe and painful problem. If it is just an annoyance then you could try "earplanes" chewing gum, decongestant, etc.
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:11 am

It seems that some planes are worse than others. I mean individual planes, not the type. I have been on some 737's that you couldn't even feel the pressure changes, and I have been on others that have kept my ears plugged for 2 days afterwards. I think when a plane gets old, parts of the pressurization systems don't work as smoothly as they used to and when you touchdown the dump valves dump off the excess pressurization resulting in an abrupt change of cabin pressure.

I have found that Benadryl works fine and if your ears are still plugged when you get home a nice hot shower with a yawn will usually do the trick.
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:57 am

Hi there,
I'm not trained in medicine or anything, but I studied pharmacology in university. Apart from teaching us why "coca-cola" was nicer when it still had cocaine in it, and how to make your own absinthe, our medical lecturers told us again and again, when equalising pressure in an aircraft: "Don't blow when holding your nose, our you'll perforate your eardrums". I have an Aunt with a perforated eardrum, and I know how frustrated she gets with not being able to hear out of one ear. So, do this, and you'll never hear again. I just chew sweets, or use those little earplugs that have tiny holes in them ("Earplanes" I believe). Hope this helps!

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:33 am

I have the same problem! When flying STN-HAU on my own to meet a mate, I thought that my ear drums were going to explode! I cant blow my nose, I can't stand that! During landing I go all deaf and it usually takes my ears about 2 days to get back to normal!

On the way back from HAU when I was flying with my mate, I found that drinking water did the trick! However my mate who I was flying with was crying with pain and going crazy! No one is aloud to talk to her during decent and landing as if she hears any noise, her ears really really sting. I feel very sorry for her indeed!

I hope my ears get better as one of my ambitions is to be an air steward!

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:35 am

Earplanes! I couldnt survive without them like FLVILLA. You pop them in your ears on take off and can take them out at altitude and then put them in again before descent and they slow down the pressure changes in your ears. I won't fly without them.

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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:44 am

Normally, when I fly, the cabin pressure adjusts automatically, so it doesn't hurt my ears, but on one flight into GPT, the 717 pressurization system would not work so the pilot had to do it manually throughout the flight, and I guess he didn't pressurize it enough, cuz my ears were killing me.
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:35 am

i use the same technique as spacecadet and it works for me.
I have found differences in aircraft type, 777 was very comfortable, while other aircraft like the IL-96 can be quite uncomfortable.
i have also noticed pressurisation of the cabin whilst on the ground, prior to take off, my ears started blocking on all my recent IL-96 flights.

Chewing gum does not work for me, nor does sweets (given out by many airlines). The best method is yawning, but it does make my eyes water severely.
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:05 am

The valsalva manuever isn't that dangerous if you do it gently. If you have to do it hard, then there is a problem and you are probably experiencing an ear block (i.e. your eustation tubes that leads from the nasal passages to the ears are blocked). You should see a doctor for that and try and find one who might be an FAA approved medical examiner because they might know additional tricks that a typical GA might not since pilots are their specialty. I know that some people have more problems with it then others. But, for most people out there (and me), the valsalva manuever does work just fine if done properly.

Biggest thing to keep in mind with using decongestants prior to flights is that they will dry you out even more then the cabin at altitude will. So, be extra vigilant in drinking plenty of fluids on long flights. Otherwise, you could end up with even more complications.
 
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RE: Ear Problems - Cabin Pressure

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:15 am

What do airline pilots that suffer from allergies or colds do in a situation like this?

They get grounded!
At least this is what the doctor at LHR told me many years ago. I was flying BHX-LHR-YYZ and had to cancel the rest of my trip and go back to Birmingham on a bus!!
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