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keesje
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US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:16 pm

AMERICAN cities are clamouring to assemble a possible Airbus refuelling tanker for the US Air Force.

It would be the first Airbus plant outside Europe.

European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Company, which owns 80% of Airbus, plans to invest about £400m and hire 1,000 workers at a US plant if it, instead of its American rival Boeing, wins an order for up to 100 of the tankers.

Speaking at the opening of a new EADS helicopter plant in Mississippi, company co-chief executive Philippe Camus said: "We are receiving many, many signs of interest coming from many locations around the country."


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How about Wichita?
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:33 am

Keesje:

Rather misleading article headline, don't you think? "Battle" and "expressions of interest" hardly seem synonymous to me, especially considering that the tanker contract seems destined for nowhere at the moment. Both Lockheed-Martin and Northrup-Grumman have stated they are not interested in partnering with EADS in this, limiting EADS' possible options.

Regardless of the KA-330's technical merits, it will be difficult for them to win this contract unless they are prepared to make far more substantial investments than that already mentioned. An assembly line to modify "green" a/c built in Europe is nowhere near good enough for a contract potentially for 500+ frames and worth well over 20+ billion USD. If 100% industrial offsets are required to cover the acquisition costs of such a large number of non-productive capital items, EADS isn't even in the ballpark yet.

It will, however, be interesting to see how this plays out. While I have no issue with the USAF acquiring the KA-330, it should be done ONLY if it benefits the USAF, the US taxpayer and the US economy. Anything less is not worth it.

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:53 am

In Phoenix, there's plenty of room for expansion to accomodate an Airbus factory. With America West soon becoming the 2nd-largest North American operator of Airbus, it only makes sense.
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:03 am

Rather misleading article headline, don't you think? "Battle" and "expressions of interest" hardly seem synonymous to me

...yes, but it's also the title of the article.  Laugh out loud

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:09 pm

Maybe George Bush can brag about insourcing now?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:17 pm

Actually, he could have before. On balance, the jobs created here by Foreign-owned corporations outnumber jobs done abroad for American-owned companies, resulting in a net insourcing. Airbus would be just one of many companies already here employing US workers.
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:24 pm

How much of the old Lockheed facility in Palmdale is left ? Does Lockheed/Martin still own the site ?
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:33 pm

That's golalisation for you Folks! Does that mean though that America is the 'new' cheap labour through immigration?
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:32 am

If this is true what about Miami? They already have a big training facility there.
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:38 am

President Bush was giving a speech about how the the French are lazy and have little drive or imagination in business:

"They don't even have a word for 'entrepeneur' in French" said Mssr. Le President
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:36 am

In the Greenville/Spartanburg area, we have a high concentraction of European businesses either directly manufacturing (BMW, Bosch, Michelin) or having major distribution facilities. We also have an industrial area at Donaldson Center (former AFB) that currently has a Lockheed Martin facility for overhauling aircraft....
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:14 am

I don't think we will see Airbus tankers. With all the commotion about supposedly illegal subsidies this would make a HUGE target for protectionist polititions claiming we are selling out the U.S. industry to the Europeans.
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:29 am

In Phoenix, there's plenty of room for expansion to accomodate an Airbus factory. With America West soon becoming the 2nd-largest North American operator of Airbus, it only makes sense.

Well America West is fourth in the North Americas with fleet size, NW is number one with 160 Airbuses, so a place like Detroit, Minneapolis, heck even Memphis would work if you want to look at carriers with large buses, NW has double the amount of buses that HP has, so more likely someone closer to NW hubs, would be more likely, hell, maybe even IND?
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:31 am

Burnsie,

I was thinking the same thing...Look at Boeing's decision to move from SEA to the ORD area to be closer to UA and AA....NWA has the largest AirBus Fleet of US carriers, and it is growing and will continue to grow for many many years.

With UA and HP also AirBus operators, you would think that near the midwest or between midwest and Southwest would make sense!

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:27 am

It all make sense because of the low US$, 7 year-low against my local currency.
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:33 am

NWAFA-

NWA has the largest AirBus Fleet of US carriers, and it is growing and will continue to grow for many many years.

And only 5 behind the leader Air France, which NW will become the worlds largest Airbus operator next year.
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:41 am

President Bush was giving a speech about how the the French are lazy and have little drive or imagination in business: "They don't even have a word for 'entrepeneur' in French" said Mssr. Le President

Is this true? very embarrasing for a head of state  Embarrassment parlement/ opposition would immidiately burn him/her down in Europe if a head of state says inmature things like this..

On the subject, good airline connections/ a coastal (east) location (transport) / good HR availability, low costs, etc would help IMO..

What are the best places on the east coast .. don´t know.

I love the Boston / New England area, is Portland an option?

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:23 am

Keesje-

Pardonez moi! It was a joke- the word "Entrepeneur" is itself a french work which has been borrowed into American/English!
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:29 am

Look at Boeing's decision to move from SEA to the ORD area to be closer to UA and AA...

That is utter crap. BCAG is still headquartered in Seattle. The Boeing world headquarters moved to Chicago to be separate from and closer to each individual business unit.

It has absolutely nothing at all to do with being closer to UA and AA. AA is headquartered in Dallas, TX.

Business relations between UA, AA, and Boeing still take place with the BCAG in Seattle.

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:31 am

Gigneil,

When Boeing announced they were moving offices to the ORD area I remember the press release saying the decision for CHI was to be closer to UA and AA.
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:36 am

It all make sense because of the low US$, 7 year-low against my local currency.
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You don't make long term moves like this because of currency fluctuations between industrialized countries. The currency market simply changes too much. This is just a signal by Airbus that they are serioius about building A330 tankers in the US if they get the deal. Airbus's salespeople are very aggressive and look at the long term potential of possible deals. It appears that Boieng is much weaker in this area.
 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:51 am

Surely the currencies fluktuate, but 30% loss in 3 years time against my local
currency in Europe, surely indicates it´s buyers market.
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:01 pm

When Boeing announced they were moving offices to the ORD area I remember the press release saying the decision for CHI was to be closer to UA and AA.

You remember incorrectly.

The press release said absolutely nothing of the sort. In fact, such a mention would have been offensive to their 950 other customers, don't you think?

No sane business would be operated in that way.

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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:10 pm

 
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RE: US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:23 pm

The Wichita Eagle tends to be fairly critical of Boeing as of late. There has been an image of doom and gloom for Boeing Wichita. While it would be disappointing to see Boeing end its long presence in Wichita, having a subcontractor run the Boeing Wichita facilities could be better for our local economy in the long run if a solid company like GKN or Vought purhcases the plant. The future for Boeing seems to rest with subcontracting work. Look at St. Louis and the GKN plant, things seem to work out well.

While it would be nice to see Airbus create some new jobs around here, I don't think Wichita is a shoe-in. I think that there would be many other communities in the country that would offer very competitive deals for a large aircraft plant, if Airbus were to establish one in the United States. The Southwest and the South in particular are seeing some growth in aerospace and they could probably allow Airbus or anyone for that matter to take advantage of the lower taxes and costs that tend to be there as well as offering something to sweeten the deal. As someone who lives in Wichita, I think that diversifying the local economy is more important...the area is too dependent on aerospace, which has been demonstrated well with the recent economic downturn.
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