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MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:19 am

Thanks so much to OD720 for taking these photos and uploading them to Airliners.net, but my heart was just broken.

MEA has 3 B707-320Cs sitting in Beirut, OD-AHE and OD-AHC which is being scrapped as can be seen below. The 3rd one had its registration removed a while ago and is sitting in the hanger with some parts missing.

Here is OD-AHC in May taken by Hisham Atallah:

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Here is a a poor quality photo I took in 2003 and you can see where it is sitting:



Vatche Mitilian earlier this month took these two photos and it shows OD-AHC having been towed from the remote spot by the runways to the MidEast Aircraft Services Co. (MASCO) (MEA's maintenance subsidiary) hangers just north of the terminal and being taken apart:

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Does anyone have any idea why they waited so long to scrap it? Wasn't OD-AHC being used by Lebanese Special Security Forces for training?

Below are the photos I took of OD-AHE in July parked by the northern most MASCO hanger:











Here is the other 707 sitting inside the northern most MASCO hanger with the registration and titles removed:




Anyone have any idea what the fate of these two airframes is?

Vatche, was OD-AHE moved when they brought OD-AHC beside it or no?

I really do hope OD-AHE is preserved as some have mentioned...

OD-AHC will be missed, here she is flying in her glory days:

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:24 am

This is really a bad sight. It would be great if at least one of them would be preserved or converted to a restaurant.

Something like this:


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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:30 am

The MEA 707 fleet has been listed for sale on planemart, and have all ben on the market for over 5 years. There comes a timewhere you believe that nobody is going to buy them whole, so away they go as parts. It looks like they at least are being carefully disassembled, rather than being ripped to shreds by heavy machinery.
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:42 am

They should find a solution to preserve at least one of them !
And not convert it into a restaurant, like they did few years ago with a B720 in Jounieh, that finally burned :

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The problem is that nobody (or very few people) cares to preserve the Patrimony in this country. MEA's 707 are not just planes, they were a symbol of the airline and a symbole of the dark years for many people...and today, they are probably just considered as unseless old rusty pieces of metal !  Angry
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:52 am

FLYSSC,

Agreed.

I also interested to hear what is happening to these birds.

Last time I flew on one was IST-BEY in November 1996. Alas, the return was on an Airbus...
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:53 am

Though it is to be expected,it is a great shame that this classic bird which served MEA through some very difficult times had reached the end of ther road.

It would be superb if they could manage to keep one in a flyable condition,I for one would be out to BEY to have a 'jolly' on it.
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:08 am

SpacePope,

Thanks for the information. I also believe TMA's 707s are on sale on that website...

FlySSC,

Very well said.

Ba319-131,

I agree. When we talked with Mohammed El-Hout (the CEO of MEA), we told him to consider keeping one of the 707s, probably OD-AHE (the one I was fortunate enough to visit). He said they'll consider it, but I'm not sure if they will make it flyable. Maybe they'll make it part of a musuem or something...

It does need some touch ups, it's getting dirty and worn out as you can see.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:48 am

I understand that keeping ne aircraft in flyable conditions would cost too much money, and is quite impossible...

But preserving at least one aircraft, and convert it into a museum of the Aviation history in Lebanon, or something like that is something very feasable, and wouldn't cost millions of Dollars ! Anyway, so much money is wasted for useless project in the country... this time it would be for good cause !

MEA never stopped flying during the 15 years civil war, out of BEY under the bombings or out of LCA when BEY airport was dammaged and closed.
As I said, the MEA's B707 remain for many Lebanese THE symbole of a still alive country during the darkest years of its History. It's a "Devoir de mémoire" (duty of memory ?) to preserve one of them.


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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:42 am

I agree FLYSSC.

Mohammed El-Hout seemed pretty open about preserving one of them which I guess is a good sign...

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:44 pm

OD-AHC was moved to it's new location about 2 months ago, maybe a little less. Few weeks ago I saw some work being done on the tail and was obvious that it was being scrapped. It seems though that they are in no rush. I just hope that OD-AHE will be preserved as was promised. It's obvious that they wouldn't keep all 3. It's amazing how the paint on these planes is still intact.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:42 am

Eventhough I haven't flown on any of MEA's B707s,I feel passionate about these birds that served the airline under bombs and canon fire.When I read the story "Battle for survival" it made me even more aware of what the 707s offered to MEA.It's sad to see this aircraft broken up,but hopes remain that OD-AHE will be preserved.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:58 am

Back in 1989, Zambia Airways leased one of MEA's 707's. We flew from Johannesburg to Lusaka, and then on the 707 to Frankfurt via Rome, as well as back to Lusaka. That was really a great trip. They are such special aeroplanes.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:41 am

Here's hoping at least one of the MEA 707s is preserved.

One another note. . .I just wanted to thank BA for sharing those up-close pictures of the 707s in the original posting. Very few of us are ever able to experience what was portrayed in those photos - -looks like you had an interesting tour. I could almost smell all the aviation going (or not going) on there that day. . .all in the presence of just a few veteran 707s that didn't even blink an eye. . .or a beacon light in this case. Nice photos.

P.S. - In the photo showing underneath the 707 wing, you'll notice the extended flaps and on the inner-most set, you'll see extended "mini-flaps" right before the large ones (looks like they are at a 90degree agnle to the wing). Anyone know what these are called?

**Also notice how a piece of the fuselage (just under the red stripe) moves along with the extension of the main flaps. Neat stuff. Thanks BA.
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:37 am

DIA,

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed them.

I too would be interested to know what the extended flaps below the innerboard flaps are.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:59 pm

Anybody who supports the 707 is a friend of mine...forever

Who remembers the Comets, CV990s and B720s of MEA.

I do, but maybe I'm just getting old.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:18 pm

Daddad525,

I fully agree. Speaking of the B720s MEA had, a number of them were sold to Pratt & Whitney Canada and some to Pratt & Whitney to be engine testbeds.

There are also some in Mojave.

I really do hope MEA preserves OD-AHE (the one in the best condition). I will try to see if I can contact the CEO of MEA, Mohammed El-Hout and see what he has to say. When we met him, he seemed open to the idea, but who knows...

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:57 pm

Daddad, I do as well, and I also remember the two VC-10 of MEA. Comets and VC-10 unfortunately were destroyed in that Israeli terror attack on 28 Dec 1968 . I did not manage to fly the CV-990 but in Nov74 flew on a B720B of MEA to Beirut. Thoughts about flying MEA again then had to be given up as Lebanon half a year later plunged into that civil war.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:04 am

That VC-10 that was destroyed by Israeli commandoes was leased from Ghana Airways, so it wasn't actually for MEA.

A total of 14 aircraft were destroyed in that attack, a brand new 3-month old MEA B707-320C fresh from the factory in Everett being one of the victims!

Then there are the 6 B720s destroyed by Israeli shelling in 1982.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:22 am

Hi BA,

thanks for all the good stuff. I remember that the scrapping of the 707's was already planned in July.

If you contact El-Hout, tell him also he could make some $$$ by keeping OD-AHE in good condition...  Smile

Does anybody know if they would give us away free parts or we could buy them?

cheers

P.S: good news also for the Skyteam thing, it will surely benefit MEA customers, which is the most important...
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:46 am

They should put that last MEA 707 on static display, it looks interesting as it is no real need for a new paintjob at the moment.

Few companies can say they still possess a fully intact 707. How much money can get from parting these out and selling the parts anyways? I don't see where the demand is for 707 parts.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:16 pm

I agree Miamix707. I really do hope they keep it on static display.

Speaking of 707 spare parts, the MASCO hangers are full of 707 parts. I don't know what they are going to do with them.

I think I saw my last 707 take-off that I will ever see in my entire life in summer 2003.

I spotted a TMA B707F taking off from runway 21. The sound it created was music to my ears and sent a vibration down my back. It was an amazing sight that I will never ever forget...
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:19 am

BA, ..maybe put a TMA on static display also  Smile but probably that'll be asking too much.

Yes the 707s are just amazing to see in action with that whining noise and the smoke, that is the one plane I really miss here at Miami. Where are the TMA 707s flying to? if they still are

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:36 am

.......I must have flown one of the 707s between Beirut and Monrovia, Abidjan and Accra. The colors, titles just bring back memories for me. I think I liked that livery the best as compared to the current ones. It would be sad if they scrapped all. They should preserve at least one as a symbol and pride.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:40 am

Miamix707,

Where are the TMA 707s flying to? if they still are

Unfortunately back in Feburary, the Lebanese Civil Aviation Authority (LCAA) pulled TMA's operating certificate citing fears over the reliability of the old 707s that they operate.

So the planes are grounded in Beirut Airport and I don't think they will ever be flown again.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:34 am

Hey BA.

Thought you might take an interest in this photo I found while researching your topic a bit more. It's a 720, so I figured it was similar enough.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:52 am

I was at the airport on Friday and I saw that OD-AHC was moved away from OD-AHE about 30 meters. The good news is that OD-AHE looked in a better condition. When I took that tail-less photo, there was a little piece of the rudder of OD-AHE missing which freaked me out but now it has been fixed again. So let's hope.

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:39 am

DIA,

Thanks a lot for that photo! I remember I saw it a while ago, but thanks for bringing it up again!

Let's hope for the best OD720...

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:42 am

Does anyone know of any 707's still flying in Europe?
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:35 pm

Does anyone know of any 707's still flying in Europe?

As far as commercial flights, I'm pretty sure the answer is zero, unfortunately. However occationally the Romanian, Israeli, Angolan AF 707s show up somewhere in Europe. My guess is the last commercial flights were TMA's but as BA said, those haven't flown in about a year. Too bad those pretty green birds won't be seen around anymore.

There is a picture somewhere of a TMA 707 taken from inside another aircraft at Beirut Intl. I think the caption read that it was very risky to take photos at BEY and he was able to sneak that shot. Was that caption exaggerated / outdated, or is Beirut a no-go zone as far as taking photos of aircraft?
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:16 pm

I have some photos of TMA 707s in the upload queue at the moment. It's not risky to take photos around Beirut and I and others walk around the airport taking photos all the time. You can check MyAviation as well for tons of photos taken at and around BEY.

Sometimes we are asked to what we are doing but I guess that happens in many places around the world.

 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:01 pm

Miamix707,

I think you are refering to the two photos I took, but I do not recall ever saying that it was risky to take photos of Beirut.

I was once in the terminal photographing planes through the window, and a security person came up to me and asked me to stop, so I did. That was it though. Most don't really care...

OD720,

Do you have any knows about TMA? What exactly are they doing now if they are unable to fly their aircraft?

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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:09 pm

I don't know in what shape the company is at the moment. If it's anything like what their hangar was the other day, I say their in a very bad shape. There was not even a single person from TMA there.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:48 am

I think you are refering to the two photos I took, but I do not recall ever saying that it was risky to take photos of Beirut.

it was a photo taken at night. I actualy don't remember the exact caption, I guess it just gave me that impression.

good to hear it's ok to take pics at BEY, if it wasn't so expensive and far I'd love to join you guys to take photos of those 707s


 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:22 pm

Miamix707

Romania IS in Europe. Therefore any flight that they make probably will be as well.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:08 am

yes BENNETT123, but I didn't think I needed to be so specific lol  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

btw this is the photo caption I was referring to:


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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:23 pm


Nice picture.

Glad that you did not get shot.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:34 am

That photo caption is really funny. I don't think that there is any airport in the world where the security would shoot someone for taking picture of planes.
 
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RE: MEA Boeing B707-320Cs Being Scrapped?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:39 am

yea It's a bit exaggerated, but in places like India it's illegal. I wonder what they would do to you there, I would guess no more than a small fine but maybe you could get arrested.