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Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:48 pm

BUSINESS REPORT
Angola in talks with Boeing for aircraft
http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=2273087

October 25, 2004

By Antony Sguazzin


Johannesburg - Boeing, the world's second-biggest maker of commercial aircraft, was in talks with Angola over the sale of nine passenger planes for the country's TAAG airline, the Angolan industry ministry said yesterday.

Talks on the transaction started in May, when Angolan president Jose Eduardo dos Santos visited the US.

"Should negotiations come to a successful conclusion, the Angolan airline will order the planes in 2005," the ministry said.

"The models to be acquired include six 737-700s and three 777s."

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:03 pm

Does TAAG still fly to Havana? what is their route structure like?
 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:09 pm

Interesting. As far as I know their current widebody fleet consists of 2 B743s for flights between LAD and LIS (3 weekly), JNB (3 weekly), CDG (1 weekly) and GIG (1 weekly). As far as narrow bodies go, I think they have a couple of B732s for domestic and regional West and East African operations into WDH, FIH, PNR and HRE. So, I wonder what's their plan with all of the additional capacity as a result of this potential purchase of new planes?

 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:10 pm

What's the economic situation like in Angola? Last I heard it was pretty lukewarm but things can change quickly for better or worse in such developing countries. Is Angola really in a position to undertake this large(relatively speaking) order?Or are they just being err..overly ambitious?

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:25 pm

Interesting to note this development in TAAG. Oil business is always doing well in Angola, but for the overall economic situation nothing has really changed. I am still sceptic that TAAG would manage to acquire three 777 and six 737. On the other hand, TAAG may return the 747s, which are not cost-effective. I also read news that TAAG would increase flights to GIG.

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:44 pm

The B73Gs must be a replacement for the B732s. Glad to see another happy Boeing customer
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:45 pm

A very attractive livery...but why arent they talking to Airbus for A 343s and A 319s?

Though I would prefer a B 772ER + B 737-700 deal  Smile Big grin
 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:59 pm

Behramjee

Maybe TAAG wants to stay with Boeing because they like their current Boeing fleet. I wonder if the B73Gs will have winglets
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:32 pm

@Transpac
I was just in Angola last year. Things are not too bad consider all the revenue they generate from oil. plus all the UN money!
Very interesting to note that they have 2 terminals at the airport.
one for regular passengers and another one reserved for Esso-Mobil Only.
They always overbook their flight, so make sure you get to the airport early.
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:38 pm


Ok lets not be cynical here.

Boeing = US Company

Houston/Luanda = Oil cities

Possible upcoming direct flights.

yeah, Airbus makes total sense  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I say they go for 3 777s which they will use to Paris, GIG and maybe open London. They will use the 737's for intra africa flights and to Lisbon.

I can see 2 777s and maybe 4 737's.

TAAG should make a killing if the oil industry continues in its current fashion.

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:04 pm


Hi!

I must admit that TAAG keeps going with Boeing is almost natural. They've been operating Boeing since the beggining. But in the other way TAAG was always close to TAP in some moments of their life so I also expected that TAAG might change to Airbus also looking to his neighbour SAA, but Boeing is always good news! I think the match 737-700 / 777 is excelent but it would be crazy to see TAAG operating the 737-700 to LIS, that's non sense since TAAG is using the 747-300 LIS regulary. So in my point of view TAAG will use the 777 to Europe and Brazil and the 737-700 around Africa. With the huge amount of angolean emigrants in LIS those flights are always packed, I even think that TAAG might keep at least 1 747-300!
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:56 pm

If TAAG plans to acquire three 777s, it would not make sense to keep the 747s. They are too expensive to fly. My guess is that TAAG would use its new 777s to LIS, GIG and CDG (or LON). Still, three 777s looks too much for TAAG's pocket!

On the other hand, taking account that fuel is not a problem for TAAG (as fuel price is so cheap in Angola), they may well keep one 747, and this could be used for LIS. But they only serve LIS 3 x week, so would be better to increase flights and use smaller aircraft!

I think that TAAG plans for fleet renewal is a response to increasing competition in West Africa, with the planned launch of Virgin Nigeria, and increasing market penetration of SA.

RG operated flights to GIG-LAD, but the operations ceased since there were problems with RG crew in Luanda during the civil war. It would be great to see RG resume flights to LAD!

Currently, between Africa and Latin America, we have the following flights:

SA (codeshare with RG): JNB-GRU, daily;
VR (Cape Verde Airlines): SID (Praia Island)-FOR; 3 x week;
TAAG: LAD-GIG, 1 x week;

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:39 pm

Currently, between Africa and Latin America, we have the following flights:

SA (codeshare with RG): JNB-GRU, daily;
VR (Cape Verde Airlines): SID (Praia Island)-FOR; 3 x week;
TAAG: LAD-GIG, 1 x week;


Add to that 2 weekly MH flights JNB-CPT-EZE with B74E.

 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:53 pm

The 732s are old stuff and certainly need replacements.
The 747-300s less so. For a country as poor as Angola, why should they replace 747s that are younger than 20 years. And why should they do that without playing Boeing against Airbus to save big money. Sounds odd.
 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:05 pm

HB-IWC:

Thanks for the reminder. Indeed, MH has 2 x week flights KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE, with the 747.

Na:

Well stated. However, Angola is a poor country with a very wealthy (selected) society swimming in oil! If they think that spending their money in an airline is priority, they will have plenty of money to do so! That's sad enough...as 95% of the "rest" of the population is in hunger...

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:51 pm

I believe there is some kind of weekly charter from Houston as well.
Angolo is not a poor country, it's just how the resources gets distributed.
I flew there 732 from Luanda to Windhoek as well and it feels like they are all flown by Cuban trained air force pilots.
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:54 pm

This was in the news a couple of weeks ago, here in Portugal.

According to reports, the B777s would be used on the LIS, GIG and CDG routes. Also mentioned was the chance that one or maybe both B743s would be kept by TAAG and converted into freighters, on a would-be TAAG Cargo.

Cargo is a major part of the the revenue on the LIS flights. Besides general commerce, we have a big community of Angolan people here, and they are always sending thinks back and forth to their homeland.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:03 pm

I believe there is some kind of weekly charter from Houston as well.

It's a World Airways MD-11 chartered by Sonair, a division of Angola's oil ministry. They also fly Houston - Malabo, Equatorial Guinea (SSG).

As far as Angola, they are definitely reaping the rewards of high oil prices. It will be interesting to see what happens when they have fresh presidential elections in 2006 (1992 was the last election). But here is an overall sobering summary of Angola, as reported in the Economist last month:

The economy is booming, thanks to peace and high oil prices. GDP is expected to grow by 13% this year. Investors are spreading mobile-phone coverage to the provinces. Hydro-electric plants, commercial farms, breweries, domestic airlines and diamond mines are also opening. Inflation is down from quadruple figures in the mid-1990s to double digits. Food is more affordable for the poor.

Politicians in Luanda, the capital, say they are confident that life is improving, and that voters will recognise this. They point to new office buildings, low-cost housing, street lighting and South African fast-food chains in the city. But the slums are still awful, and the beggars still numerous. Riots broke out this year when police tried to close sprawling, unofficial markets.

The World Food Programme (WFP) says shifting food in peacetime Angola is five times more costly than in warring Sudan. Roads and bridges are in a terrible state, and the task of de-mining Angolan soil will take years. The WFP still feeds 1.1m Angolans, and has just cut rations by half after the government banned the import of genetically modified grain.

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3158718

 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 pm

WAIT for it.....................


TAAG - newest member of Star Alliance!!

joke.

seems they are letting everyone into STAR these days. Only a matter of time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:07 am

I think they should show their intend to order the 7e7.

The livery will look great!

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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:52 pm

I flew there 732 from Luanda to Windhoek as well and it felt like they were all flown by Cuban trained air force pilots.

They probably were...

 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:47 pm

The current 743s are combis aren't they?How much cargo capacity would they lose replacing them with 772s?
 
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RE: Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:04 pm

As they have cheap fuel available, does it make sense to replace the 747?
As said, they would also lose cargo capacity.

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