Flightlover
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Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:46 pm

Hi guys,
I am planning a trip to Moscow at the beginning of December and I have limited my options to 2:
1) Flying KIV-DME on a B737-300 with Transaero Airlines
2) Taking the train to Kiev, Ukraine and then flying KBP-SVO on TU154 with Aeroflot.
I haven't been to Moscow before and I am not very familiar with Moscow's airports but from what I read on the Internet DME is much more convenient than SVO. There's a fast train going to central Moscow and it only takes 40 minutes. But at the same time I would LOVE to fly on the TU154 with Aeroflot since I've never been on one. It flies into Sheremetyevo unfortunately which is much more unconveniently connected to Moscow.
I would be grateful to hear some suggestions and maybe some feedback on which airport and option should I take.
 
afay1
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:36 am

Your impressions are correct. DME is a new and "normal" airport. The train goes in 40 min to south central Moscow (Paveletskaya Vokzal) and connects to the ring line on the metro system. SVO is a classic horror. You can take the long long bus ride or the much shorter minivan for $1.20 to Rechnoi Vokzal (one of the last stops on the Green metro line in northern Moscow). There is also an Aeroflot bus to the Airport transfer station, which is on the green line also, but is not that close to the city center. If you want to go to SVO, book a taxi online before you go. The driver will have a sign and meet you outside customs. It costs about $20-30. Don't get a taxi when you get there, it is a rip off. What hotel are you staying at? Some have airport shuttles....
 
Flightlover
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:34 am

Thanks Afay1,
I appreciate your feedback and advice. I will probably end up flying into DME. I never thought that a huge city like Moscow can have such a miserable airport like SVO.
 
afay1
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:00 am

Sounds like fun! Again, don't be tempted to use the taxi drivers there who will bug you. Take the train or order a taxi in advance. Also, make sure the check-out the TU-114 in the parking lot, its really cool.
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:35 pm

FlightLover,

>>I never thought that a huge city like Moscow can have such a miserable airport like SVO.

nothing surprising in Eastern Europe, isn't it? Lots of airports have been refurbished, but especially in the former S.U. lots haven't been.

If SVO is miserable, I can't find words for DME prior to the renovation. Anways, not even an Aeroflot Tu154 would make me fly to SVO  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

ciao
Daniel
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:48 pm

I would definatly fly SU's Tu-154 to SVO !!!

Who cares the airport is "miserable" (in fact it's not THAT bad ) : are you going to live in SVO's terminal for a week ? you'll be there for a few minutes when you'll arrive and just an hour prior to departure...

DME is much nicer, of course... brand new. So new and so similar to all the new airports in the world that you won't know if you are in Moscow, Dubaï or Osaka ! and you will have many other oportunities to fly a B733 !!!

Go for Аэрофлот Ty-154 !!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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dazeflight
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:08 pm

FLYSSC,

the problem is that you are definitely not going to stay for just a few minutes. Waiting in the immigration lines between 1 and 2 hours hoping that there won't be any problems is normal - and that only if they had enough immigration forms, another common problem at SVO.

Bad food and ugly coffee for 5th Avenue prices is another thing. And I am not even talking about the hassle to go the airport. With Transaero from DME, one can even pre-check-in at Peveletsky and enjoy the smooth ride in the Airport Train.

I like flying in russian planes - but SVO? No way.

ciao
Daniel
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:53 pm

OK Dazeflight,

I admitt you are right : sometime arriving at SVO is a nightmare...and you feel like you have also travelled in time and landed back in the Soviet Union in 1980...

The train to/from is also a big "plus"...as Taxis, like all the taxis everywhere in the world, are the biggest thieves ! it's much better if you can speak Russian...they immediately divide the fare by 2...FlightLover, to you speak Russian ?

And by the way, I don't know what passport you have, but when travelling with a Ukrainian or Moldavian passport, do you have to go thru the same immigration formalities than let's say a French or German citizen when you enter Russia ?



 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:08 pm

I just did this route last week and chose SVO-1 and the TU154. Yes, the airport is not updated at all (built in 1950) and it's not great, but riding in the TU154 was nice. I did not go to DME, but have heard it is nice.

Also, it is VERY important to note when arranging a taxi, etc. that SVO-1 and SVO-2 are completely different places. SVO-2 is the international terminal (built in 1980, frozen in time) and SVO-1 is the domestic terminal. Check in advance where your flight arrives and departs as it is literally about 15 minutes to get from one to the other and I don't believe that the airport provides a shuttle of any kind.
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:10 pm

There is an Aerofot shuttle between SVO-1 and SVO-2 I think...
 
dazeflight
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:32 pm

FLYSSC,

I am not sure, but at least the registration process (you have to register wherever u travel in russia) seemed worse than with 'normal' foreigners. It looked like the bureaucrats where treating them especially bad. I am however not sure if this is the case with the immigration process, too.

Regarding SVO 1 and 2: There are shuttle busses and Taxis, too, but as far as I remember, it still is a 30 minute ride, with the bus even worse.

Maybe I am biased, but after flying through DME this August, I can't imagine to use SVO again, not even for nostalgic reasons  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Hopefully the refurbishing of SVO starts soon.

ciao
Daniel
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:51 pm

A brand new Terminal SVO-3 dedicated to SU (and partners) operations was supposed to be built...

I don't know they've started already...

Actually, I'm flying to SVO tomorrow ! I'll try to get some "fresh" informations...!
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:51 pm

the lines at SVO-2 immmigration control tend to depend on what flight you are on and when you came in. If the flights from North America or India have just come in, forget it, bring a good book to read for a few hours. If you are there in the morning, it will probably be ok. If you are flying to SVO-1 from Kiev, then the lines aren't usually too bad. That being said, the DME immigration people are usually a whole lot nicer. The shuttles do stop at SVO-1 the same as SVO-2....
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:27 am


OK, from your profile, you haven´t been on either type, 733 or TU5 - so it doesn´t matter which one you choose, right?  Wink/being sarcastic

Seriously, the TU5, hands down - provided both options are roughly the same in prices. However bad SVO may be (and I can´t imagine it´s that bad, especially when travelling on a CIS passport), you´ll forget any bad experience at SVO in a couple of weeks, but having flown on the TU5 will stay with you forever. Do it, TU5 are pure and unabated fun - been there, done that.

Off topic, Victor, if I may: Taking the train from Odessa to Chisinau, will the Moldovan officials at the border between "Transdniestr" and Moldova give foreigners a hard time?
Can Germans get Visa on Arrival only at the KIV airport or also at land borders? Alternatively, do the flights between ODS and KIV still operate?
Thanks!

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:32 am

FlightLover: I did send you an email regarding this, but you haven't replied. So could you tell me whether many Russian- and Soviet-built machines are stored at KIV? Does the terminal possess any location from where it is possible to view the apron/taxiways/runway, both airside and landside? Thanks a lot!
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RE: Sheremetyevo TU154 Vs. Domodedovo B733

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:46 am

SVO-1 is much closer to decent than SVO-2.. SVO-1 does not have too bad of a line situation--especially coming back; so I would certainly say SVO-1 isn't horrible... It's actually a bit closer to the city than DME (geographically)..but it depends on what part of the city your headed for. If you tell me, I can tell you which is closer.
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