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AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:21 am

Air France-KLM claims in a press release that they have the largest market share (20 %) of all European airlines on routes to Latin America. But is their market share indeed larger than Iberia, that is known for its specialisation on this market? Anyone with reliable information about market shares?


Press release:

Air France-KLM: Europe's Leading Airline in Latin America with nearly a 20% market share

Air France-KLM is the leading European carrier to and from Latin America, especially for premium passengers, with 180 weekly frequencies including 11 exclusive Latin American destinations. With a capacity of nearly 44,000 seats per week both ways, the Group has close to a 20% market share, far ahead of its competition.

The Air France-KLM merger has enabled two combined networks to be organized around two of Europe's most efficient hubs namely Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Amsterdam Schiphol, thus providing customers with an enhanced choice of destinations and flight times.

To Caracas, Air France and KLM have coordinated their flight schedules
with a daily service on departure from Paris-CDG operated in A340s. On flights to Sao Paulo, and to Lima, KLM has increased flight frequencies from five to six a week.

Starting on 1 November on flights to Rio, Air France will be operating a Boeing 747-400 instead of an Airbus A340, thus increasing available capacity to this destination by more than 60%, for a total of more than 780 seats per day (and over 5,500 passengers per week). Today Air France has also singled out Rio for the launch of its new private lounge for first class passengers travelling in 'l'Espace Première' and business travellers in 'l'Espace Affaires' and also those passengers from equivalent cabin classes with SkyTeam member airlines.

This is the first lounge to be doted with Air France's new travel concept for the customers' benefit. Fitted with wi-fi (wireless broadband internet connexion), it has seating for 66 passengers and represents a 460,000 euro investment.

These innovations underscore the confidence Air France-KLM has in
Latin American operations.
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:00 am

If they say so, AKL must be N°1 for something in South America ...

In terms of weekly number of flights or/and number of destinations served, I would think IBERIA is the N°1 !

AF in N°2 behind TAP for Brazil.

In terms of capacity, number of seats offered, or "premium class" PAX AFKL is maybe N°1.

In South America, AF's winter program from CDG is :

CAY = 1xDaily nonstop A343
CCS = 1xDaily nonstop A343
BOG = 5xWeekly nonstop A343
GRU = 1xDaily nonstop B772ER
GIG = 1xDaily nonstop B744
EZE = 1xDaily nonstop B772ER
SCL = 1xDaily 1-stop (EZE) B772ER

you must to this the KL flights from AMS...

 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:33 am

FLYSSC:

So let's add KLM flights to South America on top of AF flights which you mentioned in your post:

LIM: 1 x daily MD11;
GRU: 6 x weekly B772ER;
PBM: 3 x weekly MD11;
UIO: 3 x weekly MD11;
GYE: 3 x weekly MD11;

In addition, KL has an agreement with JJ, which distributes its onward passengers from GRU to GIG and EZE.

Note that my flights above, including FLYSSC in the previous pots, are related to SOUTH AMERICA only, and thus do not include Central America + Mexico, and the Caribbean. In these destinations, AF and KL have flights to the following cities:

Mexico City (AF and KL)
Aruba (KL)
Curacao (KL)
Bonaire (KL)
Guatemala City (AF)
San Pedro Sula (AF)
San Salvador (AF)

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:32 am

In addition, KL has an agreement with JJ, which distributes its onward passengers from GRU to GIG and EZE.

Add to that AF's CDG-EZE, which now is codeshared with KLM.

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:57 am


KLM flies:

LIM 6x weekly MD11
UIO/GYE 5x weekly MD11
PBM 3x weekly 744
GRU 6x weekly 772
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:15 am

Mdutch:

Thanks for correcting the info on my post about KL flights to South America.

Marambio:

I would say that if you fly from AMS to EZE you will experience the two best airlines in the world: KL and JJ  Smile

Groetjes.

Hardi




 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:21 am

OK. Here are all flights operated by AF and KL in South America:

AF:
GRU = 1xDaily nonstop B772ER
GIG = 1xDaily nonstop B744
CAY = 1xDaily nonstop A343
CCS = 1xDaily nonstop A343
BOG = 5xWeekly nonstop A343
EZE = 1xDaily nonstop B772ER
SCL = 1xDaily 1-stop (EZE) B772ER

KL:
GRU = 6x weekly 772
(GRU-GIG and GRU-EZE = codeshare with JJ, A320)
LIM = 6x weekly MD11
UIO/GYE = 5x weekly MD11
PBM = 3x weekly 744

Hardi


 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:23 am

Marambio:

I would say that if you fly from AMS to EZE you will experience the two best airlines in the world: KL and JJ

Groetjes.

Hardi


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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:25 am

I still would like to see the same report regarding Iberia, I'm not too sure og AF/KLM being the leader (although their share is quite big, that's a fact).

BTW: Didn't AF fly to CCS with A330?
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:32 am



757MDE, you're right about the fact that AF used the A330 to CCS but they changed it to a daily A340 when KLM ceased operations to CCS 15th of sept.
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:36 am

Marambio:

Do you have relatives here in the Netherlands? Let me know next time you arein AMS, ok?

757MDE:

Don't forget that the report was about Latin Amerinca. So you would need to add the following destinations:

Mexico City (AF and KL)
Aruba (KL)
Curacao (KL)
Bonaire (KL)
Guatemala City (AF)
San Pedro Sula (AF)
San Salvador (AF)

In a more general note, it's amazing to see how AF has established a strong-hold in Brazil, operating daily non-stop flights to both GRU (777ER) and GIG (now served with the 747-400!!).

Indeed, I've read reports that the brand new Air France VIP Lounge in GIG is GORGEOUS!! AF has been flying daily non-stop GIG-CDG since 2001. It is now reeping the benefits of its commitment to the "wonderful city"!

Hardi
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:39 am

These are Iberia's destinations in South America:


Buenos Aires
Rio de Janeiro Sao Paulo
Santiago de Chile
Bogota
Guayaquil Quito
Asuncion
Lima
Montevideo
Caracas

with the following as a codeshare on other airlines:

Córdoba * Mendoza *

Antofagasta * Concepción * Easter Island *
Puerto Montt * Punta Arenas *

Cali * Cartagena de Indias *
Medellin * Pereira *

Anybody know the days & a/c on these routes?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:23 am

Marambio:

Do you have relatives here in the Netherlands? Let me know next time you arein AMS, ok?


My mother lives in The Hague, so I usually go there everytime I have a holiday. I think I'll head up to AMS by February. We'll keep in touch anyway!

Anybody know the days & a/c on these routes?

MAD-EZE is 2x daily A346/743

COR and MDZ are operated by U-Air, an Uruguayan LCC, from MVD (Montevideo). Flights are 4x weekly with F100.

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Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:29 am

These are Iberia's destinations in South America

....Asuncion...

This is a TAM code-shared flight also. No IB metal on ASU nowadays.



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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:42 am


DOES AF fly its own metal into GUAtemala, San Salvador & San Pedro Sula?

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:50 am

What stupid thread!!!!
Everybody, and each of us here, Knows IB is the European carrier in leadership to and from LatinAmerica (Mexico, CentralAmerica/Caribbean and South America)
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:57 am

AF doesn't fly to GUA. It never has. KL used to fly to La Aurora as an extension of its MEX flight.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:15 am


Muchas gracias, Aer.

I've been to GUAtemala for 6 weeks in 1998. I flew in on KLM's B744 from AMS, with a stop in MEX. Had a gr8 time. Can't w8 to go back. I have a Maltese friend living near Jalapa and another in Jalpatagua. I love the Pacific Coast, as well as Tikal and La Antigua. I flew Taca to Flores airport & back.

DOES AF fly to San Salvador / San Pedro Sula? I guess that these are codeshare AM-operated flights.

Hasta pronto!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:42 am

Hardiwv,

Don't forget SXM- St. Maarten/ Martin (AF and KL) and the other AF destinations in the Caribbean, like Martinique and Guadaloupe.
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:05 am

Hardiwv,

Don't forget SXM- St. Maarten/ Martin (AF and KL) and the other AF destinations in the Caribbean, like Martinique and Guadaloupe.


I believe the Caribbean except (Cuba and Dom. Rep) arent part of Latin America, are they?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:13 am

Don't forget to account flights to Mexico:

AF 14X CDG-MEX 744 (7X w/AM metal [767]).
KL 7X AMS-MEX 744 (Combi?).

IB 11X/12X MAD-MEX A343 & A346.
IB ¿?x MAD-MIA-CUN.

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:10 pm

Mdutch:
with the following as a codeshare on other airlines:

Córdoba * Mendoza *

Antofagasta * Concepción * Easter Island *
Puerto Montt * Punta Arenas *

Anybody know the days & a/c on these routes?


Hi, these routes are codeshared via SCL with Lan Chile.

Antofagasta, Concepcion, Puerto Montt and Punta Arenas (Chile) daily, several times a day, with a mix of 320s, 319s and 737, all of them in full coach configuration. Some flights to Punta Arenas (PUQ) have been flown by 767s.

Cordoba and Mendoza (Argentina): COR 7x, and MDZ 14x, both served by 732s

Easter Island (Chile): 4 times/week, on a 763. This flights continues to Tahiti (PPT).

Hope this helps!

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:47 pm


Cali * Cartagena de Indias *
Medellin * Pereira *

Anybody know the days & a/c on these routes?



To complete Arcano's list of operations codeshared by Iberia, I'll add...

Cali is served 12 times daily from BOG in a mix of 757s and MD83s

Medellin is served 12/13 times daily from BOG in a mix of 757s and MD83s

Cartagena is served 7 times daily from BOG in an all-MD83 service

Pereira is served 6 times daily from BOG in an even mix of Fokker-50 and MD83s.


--------------------------------------------------------


As for the other routes, all are flown daily except for Montevideo and Rio. Buenos Aires, as mentioned, is served twice daily.

All routes are operated with A340-300 aircraft, except for EZE, which is served by 747s and A340-600 and LIM, which, until last time I checked, also received the A340-600.



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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:56 pm

Guatemala City (AF)
San Pedro Sula (AF)
San Salvador (AF)


Air France does not fly here. These are codeshare destinations, served with Grupo TACA via Miami.

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:10 pm

Sounds logical to me. AF/KL tend to fly with larger a/c to most of their LatAm destinations as opposed to IB A340s. To MEX we are talking about 14x 744 vs. IB 10-12x A340... big difference to one of the key markets in the region... maybe the situation is similar in EZE and GRU?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:05 pm

Mdutch:

GRU and GIG are operated as non-stop flights by IB, and not as part of the same flight:

MAD-GRU: daily, A340
MAD-GIG: 5 x week, A340

SOUTHAMERICA:

Indeed, IB has a codeshare with JJ, which distributes IB passengers from GRU to ASU.

Anxebla:

It seems you have the typical arrogance of a Spaniard, which has just lost its first place to a rival. What is the data that IB is bigger in Latin America than AF-KL?

AM744:

I agree with you. Apparently AF-KL use larger aircraft, and most important, they dominate the "business" segment.

Hardi
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:44 pm

Anxelba has maybe overreacted... but don't be hard with him ! he is not completely wrong...

As I mentionned in my previous post, each airline can be number one of something !

AFKL is also N°1 in the WORLD ... in terms of turnover !

All your interesting debates in the posts above show how difficult it is to make the right definition of being N°1 :
Do you consider only the cities served "physically" by an airline, or do you also consider the codeshare agreements ?
Do you consider the number of flights weekly ? or the number for passengers carried ? or the number of seats offered ?

Of course, IBERIA has an obvious historical and cultural link to South America...like TAP has with Brazil...
Air France has another very strong link to South America and is very famous and apreciated there since the early ages of Aviations, with the pioneers "Aéropostale" route from France to the Andes and SCL...

Don't forget that Air France, in 1976 launched its Concorde service from Paris to...RIO ! and then to CCS.
South America has ALWAYS been a very important and lucrative market for AF, and for sure AF will do its best to make its position even stronger after merging KL.
It's not by chance that KL closed CCS to let it be operated only from CDG by AF... On the other way AF closed MNL and CGK, a market where KL is stronger, to let it be operated only by KL from AMS.
More deal of this kind are to be announced for the next seasons... in South America also.... Wink/being sarcastic

 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:53 pm

What stupid thread!!!!
Everybody, and each of us here, Knows IB is the European carrier in leadership to and from LatinAmerica (Mexico, CentralAmerica/Caribbean and South America)


Anexbla,
Stupid threads don't exist. This is a forum to express opinions not to judge them.

Dakota,
Regarding figures, IB is a key european carrier and before th AF-KL merger was the leading company to Latam. They hold 16% of the share (according to data published in their website). AF-KL holds around 20% (from the same source: AF 11% & KL 9%).

In my opinion, IB is reacting and increasing their dominace in Latinamerica and most likely AF-KL will continue to adjust to have the "right size" to Latinamerica. Then we can see IB coming back to their leading position.

 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:45 pm

Jopavon:

Thanks for your information about market shares. But can you say where on the Iberia website you found these statistics?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:35 pm

Lets's put things into perspective:

IB (own metal) operations in South America:

EZE
GRU
GIG
SCL
BOG
UIO
GYE
LIM
MVD
CCS

AF-KL (own metal) operations in South America

GRU (AF and KL)
GIG
CAY
CCS
BOG
EZE
SCL
LIM
UIO
GYE
PBM

 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:43 pm

Hardiwv,

I think you forget to mention Central America and the Caribbean, because the press release is about Latin America. Iberia has just shut down their hub in Miami, but on the other side they started direct A340-services to some Central American destinations. On the other side, AF-KL has far more destinations in the Caribbean than IB.
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:52 pm

Dakota:

It is in the shareholders section.

This is the link http://grupo.iberia.es/invertors/presentacion/presentacion.html. Then take a look at the roadshow July 2004 presentation. It now shows actual figures 2004 and KLM has lost some points...it seems AF has 12 & KL 6,5 adding 18,5% and still over IB.

I'm sure IB will catch up really quickly, since this is its moneymaker: 15% of their total pax and 30% of their income.
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:39 pm

Do you think that if eventually Air France wants to increase frequencies in certain routes it would use KLM to do so? For example in Brazil or eventually return to Argentina or Chile?

I know Air France can increase capacity (bigger aircraft) but if bilateral agreements between France and those countries restrict?

Dag Marambio, en welkom!  Smile Ik vlieg ook regelmatig tussen Nederland en Argentinie, twee of drie keer per jaar. Meestal met de KLM (en TAM). Ik spaar miles met Flying Dutchman.


Groetjes

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:05 pm

Hi, Lima

So another Dutch-Argentinian on board? Let me know your next time in AMS, so we could meet up!  Smile

What is your assessment on the KLM-JJ flight AMS-EZE? I have experience with the KL portion of the AMS-GRU flight, which I consider very good.
I will probably have to go to EZE in mid-December and was considering some options, including this one as I would bebefit from the stop-over in GRU.

You have an interesting point about bilateral agreements. AF cannot operate any other flight to Brazil, as AF using all of the 14 flights a week allowed by the bilateral agreement. I've heard rumours that they want to use KL rights to Brazil (but they would fly AF aircraft out of CDG, so that they have two daily flights to CDG-GRU). That's too bad, as KL would then stop their service AMS-GRU...I've heard this from more than one KL staff... Sad

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:31 pm

Since our future Queen is an Argentinian beauty everybody starts talking Dutch in Argentina, so funny...  Laugh out loud

Should be good for Tourisme both ways.

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:18 am

Goeie middag mensen!

Dag Marambio, en welkom! Ik vlieg ook regelmatig tussen Nederland en Argentinie, twee of drie keer per jaar. Meestal met de KLM (en TAM). Ik spaar miles met Flying Dutchman.

Zo je bestudeert in Maastricht pero sos argentino?  Big grin

What is your assessment on the KLM-JJ flight AMS-EZE? I have experience with the KL portion of the AMS-GRU flight, which I consider very good.
I will probably have to go to EZE in mid-December and was considering some options, including this one as I would bebefit from the stop-over in GRU.


I have flown EZE-AMS with KL, RG and LH so far.

RG: I wouldn't recommend it. You have to add a 1-hour stop at CDG, where you cannot leave the aircraft. However you would get the 772 (do they still fly it to AMS?) with its nice PTVs.

KL: EZE-GRU is operated with TAM. The service is attentive, food is great and the aircraft, mostly A320, very new and clean. The KLM leg is OK, though I have last flown it when they operated the 744. I have been told it is better now with the 772. The problem is that the AMS-GRU leg is a daylight flight. In my opinion this sucks, because I like sleeping.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

LH: The one I fly the most. The schedule is fine, as you'll arrive to FRA at 10:30 and the connexion leaves around 12:30. Time to do some spotting and then go to the gate hehe. EZE-FRA is an A346, still without the PTV. Service is good and food OK. LH also always is the cheapest, at least when booking from Argentina.

Since our future Queen is an Argentinian beauty everybody starts talking Dutch in Argentina, so funny...

Yeah, now all Argentine girls want to be European Queens. Holland is already taken, though.  Laugh out loud

Saludos and Groetjes,
Marambio

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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:18 am

Hoi Hardwig,

Thank you. No, I am only from Argentina but I am living in Maastricht. Snap je?  Big thumbs up
I go sometimes to Amsterdam would be nice to meet you too!

I flown with KLM/TAM for four times in the past two years. My favourite choice, the most direct possible. I got used to the daylight flight to GRU!
For me KLM is "betrouwbaar" (reliable). Perhaps I noticed a decline in foodservice in the last flight. I like it becaues is very no-nonsense like the Dutch people. Last flight in August was with 777, very comfortable.

Interesting point what you mention. But bilateral agreements are not between countries? In this case France-Brazil and Netherlands-Brazil? I have no idea how it works.

In Argentina I know from people there that Air France flights now in the low season are packed. People being offer to be voluntaries to give up seats. They already fly everyday. I read a possible direct flight and introduce one separate nonstop to Santiago.

Lima

 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:49 am

Marambio:

RG is still flying daily the route AMS-CDG-GRU-POA. But now the use the MD11 instead of the 777. So service has certainly deteriorated.

I think that from AMS to EZE the best way is the combined KL-JJ flight with a plane change in GRU. Since April this year KL uses the 777 to GRU, with PTVs, etc. It's a great flight.

Lima:

Would be great to meet up!

About AF, the only upgrades in South America were CCS a few weeks ago, and in GIG as of 1 November. As mentioned in AF's press release on flights to Rio Air France will be operating a Boeing 747-400 instead of an Airbus A340, thus increasing available capacity to this destination by more than 60%, for a total of more than 780 seats per day (and over 5,500 passengers per week).

Hardi
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:07 pm

Can the United States not support any nonstops to CAY or PBM. It just struck me as interesting that KL operates a 744 3X from AMS to PBM and AF operates to CAY 7X with an A343, and the US has absolutely ZERO Nonstops to these two cities in South America. Just curious if this could be on AA's short list for MIA expansion?
 
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RE: AF-KLM Largest Market Share To Latin America?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:19 pm

Stock1985:

PBM and CAY are served by AF and KL for one reason: historic bacground.

PBM (Surinam) is a former Dutch colony, and CAY (French Guyana) is still a French overseas territory. Both have significant communities in their respective countries.

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