accargo
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AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:16 am

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2004/26/c4918.html

[Edited 2004-10-26 22:18:34]
 
arkhem
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:21 am

Too bad they are not going to use the 340-500, it would eliminate that southbound stop.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:22 am

Well only nonstop on the northbound flight with the A340-300. The southbound flight will still stop in HNL, but passengers will not be required to get off the plane. This will at least be an upgrade since the current procedures in HNL are a bit of a problem. There will also be a second daily 767-300ER which will stop in HNL both ways, but it's kinda suprising that both flights arrive an depart at relatively the same time. Also why double daily to Sydney? Maybe the A340 to Sydney and the 767 to Melbourne could've been interesting.
 
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RE: AC Announces YVR-SYD Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:22 am

YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR.... guess they didnt wanna take the payload hit for roundtrip nonstop.
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:23 am

Congrats AC!! Another choice to my favoriate city in the world!
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:23 am

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2004/26/c4918.html

It's better if you make it a working link - that eliminates the cutting and pasting.

It's about high time! I'm a little surprised that you can actually fly an A340-300 that far across the Pacific without having to stop for fuel. (northbound at least)

It would be even better if AC had ordered another A340-500 or two.

With the US increasingly paranoid about security, it also has me wondering how it'll be before they won't even allow pax to stay inside the plane even for a short fuel stop. That's the only thing worrying me. Otherwise, it's a good move by AC.

It'd be also nice to see if AC can continue that 763 run to MEL as well, so passengers don't have to worry about changing planes in SYD.

I don't know if Australian customs have changed so that you have to go through customs like most countries do - go through customs at the first major airport you connect at even if your final destination is another major city in the same country like Melbourne or Brisbane. In my experience (and my dad's, too), one didn't have to go through customs until having reached their final destination - as long as the final destination has customs facilities in place, such as Brisbane or even Cairns.

[Edited 2004-10-26 22:40:18]
 
accargo
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:28 am

Thx Samurai, I did an edit and I guess the link didn't work after that. I only just noticed.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:44 am

One question regarding the southward fuel-stop in HNL. Is it really a stop without passing immigration, as a de-facto exterretorial fuel-stop?
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:54 am

Maybe a Air Canada flight that goes like this YVR-HNL-SYD-MEL-SYD-YVR on the A340-313X. How would something like that work for Air Canada?
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:22 am

I wonder why they stop in HNL? If it is really only an refueling stop it would be more useful in Noumea or Nadi. The refuelling in HNL needs 1 hour, but they don't use it as an destination. They could stop in Nadi and use it as an additional destination without extending the overall travel time.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:17 am

Sounds like an ideal 7E7 route to me both capacity and range wise. I would imagine the 343 is heavily payload restricted on the SYD-YVR non-stop leg,anyway and the 345 is probably too big.

Dale.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:27 am

Does AC have any plans for 7E7? I thought they were going twards having a Dash-8-100/-300, CRJ200/700, EMB190, A319/320/321, B767-200ER/300ER, A330-300, A340-300/500 fleet? Maybe as a 767 replacement?


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accargo
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:27 am

One question regarding the southward fuel-stop in HNL. Is it really a stop without passing immigration, as a de-facto exterretorial fuel-stop?

The stop in HNL is only for fuel and the pax will remain in bond so there is no need for US custom. I'm unsure at this time about payload restrictions but will check later tonight to see if the info is loaded in the computers yet.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:29 am

Why is AC so true to the 767-300ER for long haul routes. They have new A340's, I would think these would work better and be more comfy.

[Edited 2004-10-27 01:30:10]
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CanadianNorth
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:58 am

COEWR2587: It's probably because the 767 works out to be a good size for many AC routes, it gets the job done reasonably efficiently, and they already have plenty of them. As far as I know Air Canada has operated the 767 for years, and is quite happy with the plane.




CanadianNorth

[Edited 2004-10-27 02:01:04]
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:24 am

The refuelling in HNL needs 1 hour, but they don't use it as an destination.

Well, they do on the one-stop. You can book HNL-SYD on AC, codeshared by United. Just not on this new flight.

The reason they don't offer it on both is because they want the stop to be as quick as possible on the "semi-nonstop" A340 service.

so true to the 767-300ER for long haul routes. They have new A340's, I would think these would work better and be more comfy.


Those really aren't the same class of plane, obviously. The A340 is huge in comparison.

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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:27 am

Dalecary: The A345 actually has less seats on it than the A343, so it wouldn't be to big. It would be nice if they ordered a couple more though. Good to see mores being added, hopefully there will be alot more.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:34 am

Travel press in Australia reports that Rob Milton was in Sydney last week.

There was no mention of increased capacity then, or of the nons-top flight.
Would love to see AC back in MEL, but it looks ighly unlikely at this stage...

 
accargo
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:52 am

There was no mention of increased capacity then, or of the nons-top flight.
Would love to see AC back in MEL, but it looks ighly unlikely at this stage...


Don't give up on MEL just yet, AC is looking for some more 767-300's and one route mentioned is YYZ-HNL-MEL. I know that cargo loads were great when AC was flying there, and Asia/South Pacific is going to be one of the main focus' for intl growth for AC.

 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:59 am

I am betting they are taking a weight hit on the Northbound non-stop anyway, but are offsetting all of that with higher ticket prices. They have been flying their 1 stops with the A343, so they probably decided to drop a few seats or pounds of cargo and hop ticket prices up. I bet they offer a 1 way stop over in HNL on the 763 flight and a non-stop back on the A340
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gigneil
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:05 am

I'm sorry, I don't follow you.

This topic is to discuss double daily flights. One YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR on an A340, and one YVR-HNL-SYD-HNL-YVR on the 763.

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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:09 am

>This topic is to discuss double daily flights. One YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR on an A340, and one YVR-HNL-SYD-HNL-YVR on the 763.<

Well, actually, the topic heading says it is to discuss their new non-stop on one leg of the flight.
Since they have one flight already doing 1 stop in each direction, and it is an A340, I added that to the conversation. I interjected possibilities about how they could market the double dailies to people taking nice long vacations and collect stop over money.

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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:29 am

So are they out of 340-500's? How many did they order?

I only show them running YYZ-HKG. Is that using 3 aircraft?

Even if they ran the 340-500 N/S both ways (YVR-SYD the 763 one-stop would make up any lost money?
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:59 am

The A340-500 is only for YYZ-HKG(ac15) HKG YYZ(ac16) thats all they are using them for. So with this new non stop SYD YVR is there going to be A weight and balance issues and pax will get bumped. Just wondering not bad getting bumped in SYD just so I can look out for the loads when I go down in DEC
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:34 pm

Accargo, thanks for the heads up on the sector and plans.

i think there attempt on the sector Nov 01 to Aug 02 would have paid off if they went for it, but S11 and broader issues meant the service was pulled.

If you hear anything, let us know... ; )

 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:43 pm

Do you know what is the schedule for this new nonstop flights between SYD and YVR?

Thanks,
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:08 pm


You are all forgetting that AC has just emerged from bankrupcy and that they have some pretty hard nosed NYC financiers holding major stock positions and on the Board.
The new AC will have to show that it is not a capital "black hole" as it became after it was privatized. Fleet additions will be very carefully looked at; the business case will have to be very compelling. I would not be surprised to see Boeing come back into the picture if only to keep AirBus on their toes.
It remains to be seen if the old culture can be reversed. They previously operated on the assumption that they had the God given right to have all the Canadian airline passenger business and did what they had to to squeeze anyone else out. They got their just deserts after pxxxsing billions against the wall.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:35 pm

Too bad they are not going to use the 340-500, it would eliminate that southbound stop.

Agreed. Another couple of A345's could be put to good use in AC's fleet. Funny, but I clearly remember another user within this thread (I won't mention any names) saying that AC had no use for ultra long-haul aircraft.  Laugh out loud


Maybe a Air Canada flight that goes like this YVR-HNL-SYD-MEL-SYD-YVR on the A340-313X.

Or even YVR-HNL-MEL-SYD-YVR. Something like that would make a lot of sense and it would be great to see AC return to MEL.


Overall, this is great news. I've flown this route and the stop in HNL is a major inconvenience and leaves passengers with lousy memories of Honolulu International. Unfortunately, it became even much more so after 9/11. Especially after QF ceased operations on this route, AC has done very well and this is a move that I believe will prove to be another competitive and appealing travel option between North America and Australia.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:38 pm

Carfied....

A343 - YVR/HNL/SYD/YVR
AC033
departs Vancouver at 18:10,
arrives in Honolulu at 22:25 for refueling [1 HOUR]
Sydney arrival at 07:00, two days later.

AC034 departs Sydney at 11:15
arrives Vancouver 06:55 the same day.

B763 - YVR/HNL/SYD vv
AC045
departs Vancouver 16:50
arrives Honolulu 21:00
departs Honolulu 22:30
arrives Sydney 06:05, two days later.

AC046
departs Sydney 08:30
arrives Honolulu 21:25
departs Honolulu 22:55
arrives Vancouver 06:25 the same day.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:23 pm

Hmm so does this mean that pax will not have to go through US customs or will theres till be a pre-clear on Canadian soil before stopping over in HNL en route to SYD?
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accargo
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:44 pm

Hmm so does this mean that pax will not have to go through US customs or will theres till be a pre-clear on Canadian soil before stopping over in HNL en route to SYD?

The pax will be in bond while the acft refuels in HNL, so no need to clear US customs. I am not sure if they will be allowed off the acft or not, but I once travelled thru HNL (pre 9/11) and we were allowed off to stretch our legs but kept in the boarding lounge.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:37 pm

This is great news. another kick in the guts for boring QANTAS. nice to see some airlines are inovative and are willing to expand to create a market instead of pull out and code share everything like QF. Good luck air canada youll definately see me onboard.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:14 pm

I find this approach by AC a bit odd, to be honest. Of course, AC is retaining the existing flight that "officially" stops in HNL, its a money maker, AC does OK on the HNL-SYD leg as well as with pax originating in YVR, and the 763 is probably the right aircraft for the flight as far as size, especially with the new additional flight to SYD.

However, the new service can only operate nonstop in one direction with the A343 - why bother?

Someone above suggested that AC could have launched new YVR-NAN-SYD flights - that would have been a clever move.....a new destination, Fiji is a very popular stopover point for pax travelling between North America and Australia (plus a major tourist destination in its own right), the US customs issue become moot, etc. Maybe AC should have thought "outside the box" on this one.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:22 pm

another kick in the guts for boring QANTAS

If QF does indeed notice a decline in traffic because of this nonstop, I'd fully expect a competitive response to be forthcoming.
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RT514
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:49 pm

However, the new service can only operate nonstop in one direction with the A343 - why bother?

The difference is now not having to go through customs during a now-shortened refueling stop. This is more significant than it may seem, unless HNL has improved their facilities. I hated having to be crammed in their "Wiki-Wiki Shuttle", up one floor, down another, down a labyrinth of halls, back on an overly-crowded shuttle, headed back to the gate where you started, more US customs paperwork... I'm a seasoned traveller who looks at the journey as part of the adventure, but this was crazy.

With this move, the option of flying AC between North America and Australia is much more appealing, in my opinion.



 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:59 am

Maybe AC should have thought "outside the box" on this one

That might be good if Air Canada planned to make a stop each way at Fiiji on the route. With a non-stop northbound, how are people supposed to get back to Canada? And if the route did include Fiji stops in both directions, and half the passengers got off at Fiji, I dare say the Fiji-Sydney run would lose a lot of money.

If QF does indeed notice a decline in traffic because of this nonstop, I'd fully expect a competitive response to be forthcoming.

I don't believe QF is even flying to Canada right now. I believe it codeshares on AA from LAX to points in Canada. If that business is significant, it could take a hit, but for people travelling SYD-YYZ or SYD-YUL, they face a stop and change of planes somewhere in North America with AC or QF. What this would do for the Toronto-destined passenger is making AC's service a bit quicker than a LAX connection. And because of the frequency of YVR-YYZ flights, it should make for shorter connecting time in YVR vs LAX. But it's not a huge advantage, although the AC nonstop does remove all interaction with US customs and immigration. QF's SYD-YYZ trip via LAX means one extra visit to customs.





 
Gasman
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:50 pm

Is this still happening? The flights don't seem to come up on any of the on line booking engines, and if the service is scheduled to start in December, it ought to be appearing by now.......
 
accargo
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:00 pm

Is this still happening? The flights don't seem to come up on any of the on line booking engines, and if the service is scheduled to start in December, it ought to be appearing by now.......

The flights are showing on aircanada.com. There are also showing in our ops computers, so I guess it's the online-booking engines that haven't been updated.
 
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:01 pm

Thanks Accargo, I have it now!

On the downloadable PDF timetable, it still lists AC34 as having 1 stop though.

As a side note - is it correct that there are no PTVs on the 343 in economy class?

Regards
 
sebring
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RE: AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:23 am

AC has no PTVs in economy in the 343s. That will be rectified next year, but not until after the current winter schedule (which is your summer schedule). If an A345 happens to show on the route, and stranger things have happened already with those planes, then they do have PTVs in economy.