FLY777UAL
Topic Author
Posts: 4830
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 3:49 am

Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:27 pm

What is the traffic like between Los Angeles and deep South America (ie: Chile, Argentina, Brasil)?

Times from Brasil to Asia (via LHR/EZE) are roughly the same as those which would transit at LAX, yet a few hours are shaved off by traveling through LAX when coming out of EZE or SCL.

What is the business traffic like between South America and Asia, and despite the fact that none of the above listed countries participate in the I-94W Visa Waiver Program with the United States, would business passengers choose to fly via LAX on their way to Asia should the timing be right?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
TBCITDG
Posts: 851
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:17 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:37 pm

Personally I think that many people would avoid having to transit on LAX if they possibly could. With the security checks and so forth that many people have to go through, and let us not forget the strain of getting a Visa into the states, people that need to travel from South America to Asia have the option of doing it directly via AKL or MAD. Even SYD if they wanted more frequencies to Asia.
Before QF pulled out of EZE, there where many passengers that where on direct transit to Hong Kong, Shanghai and Taipei ex SYD. Why? Have no idea. But maybe the large Asian communities in South America could shed some light.

 
AMS
Posts: 1620
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:34 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:37 pm

I know that many japanese Brazilians with a Brazilian Passport are now travelling via European Gateways to Japan, since they wont be able to obtain a U.S transit Visa anymore. I am quite sure this will effect the South America-USA transfer traffic.

Regards,
AMS
 
TBCITDG
Posts: 851
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:17 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:53 pm

I wonder how this effects people when ti comes to $$ Price? Is it roughly the same price via LAX as it is via MAD or LHR? Iam sure that there is more competition via Europe but any one have any indications regarding price?
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:26 pm

FLY777UAL:

Very interesting post!

Currently the only airline serving LAX (with direct flights) from deep South America (GRU-GIG, EZE, SCL, etc) is VARIG (RG).

RG operates a 5 x week flights GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT with the MD11. Traffic (load + yields) are excellent. Before 09/11 this was RG's most profitable flight!

JAL operates 4 x week NRT-JFK-GRU with the 747 (this service operated via LAX until some time ago). By coincidence, last week I talked to a JAL manager in NY and they told me that their flights to GRU were equally very profitable, in both yields and load. They were expecting to increase services in the very near future.

Some other interesting points:

Indeed, everything changed after the US Government started to require transit passengers to have US VISA. At the time, Brazilians were the biggest pax in transit in the US, mainly in transit to Asian destinations; this alone is a strong indicator that there is a big business traffic between Brazil and Asia (especially Japan) - Continental, United and American network was also widely used.

After the requirement for Transit VISA in the US, there has been a drastic reduction in transit pax in the US, especially from Brazil. This resulted in a surge of pax traffic from Brazil to Asia through alternative routes: pax started being channelled mainly through YYC, FRA, LHR, and CDG, AMS, MAD. Air Canada even posted a news release stating that it increased flights from YYC to NRT because of the surge in transit pax from Brazil to Japan via YYC (there is no need for VISA for transit pax in Canada). And in EU countries Brazilians don’t even need VISA (3-month stay allowed without VISA).

Another route which started to be used is South Africa. SA even increased flights to Brazil to daily, and JNB-GRU was SA most profitable route in 2003! Many Brazilian started to fly to Asia through JNB using SA netwok from JNB to BKK, SYD, HKK, DEL, etc.

All this made RG look into other routes to Asia instead of the usual stop-over in LAX. For example, RG is expected to open a new route GRU-MUC-PEK, with the 777, as of December/04. In addition, the Brazilian and Japanese Governments were discussing a bilateral agreement by which RG would be allowed to operate to Japan from a third country in Europe. RG intended to fly the route GRU-ZRH-NRT.

On the other hand, the big downfall in transit pax in the US was in 2001-2002. Slowly transit pax traffic via the US is getting back to normal, as more people are getting the US VISA (which is valid for 10 years for Brazilians). Both JAL and RG now have again good loads and yields in their flights between Brazil and Japan via the US. Apparently RG has also abandoned its plan for the flights GRU-ZRH-NRT, as traffic is picking up through its LAX route.

I hope my answer will be of use!  Smile

Regards,

Hardi

PS: The biggest Japanese community outside Japan lives in the Sao Paulo area. With additional large communities of Koreans and Chinese.



[Edited 2004-10-27 11:27:38]

[Edited 2004-10-27 11:30:57]
 
Kavanagh
Posts: 123
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2000 5:20 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:48 pm

Hardywv:

LAN (LA) fligths daily from LAX to Lima and 3x to SCL (one stop at LIM) so, theres 10x weekly flights!

You can flight also to Asia from DFW or from SYD or AKL on LAN.

bye
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:53 pm

Kavanagh:

I know this, but I mentioned in my posting DIRECT flights! RG is the only airline flying direct to LAX (from deep South America). If you consider South America as a whole, then you have LAN flights from LIM to LAX.

Hardi


[Edited 2004-10-27 15:57:51]
 
Kavanagh
Posts: 123
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2000 5:20 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:12 am

ok.... so theres 7x weekly DIRECT fligths from south america to LAX on LAN, Lima IS south america right?. And we should add the AR flight LAX-LIM that continues to EZE...



bye!
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:19 am

Kavanagh:

I will repeat it yet AGAIN: i was referring to "DEEP SOUTH AMERICA".

Please read the first post of this thread: "What is the traffic like between Los Angeles and deep South America (ie: Chile, Argentina, Brasil)?"

Deep South America means Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. From these countries there is only ONE direct flight operated by RG on the route GRU-LAX, 5 x week with the MD11.

You are really controversial guy, hein?

Hardi
 
MAH4546
Posts: 24519
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:37 am

Varig's LAX service is 4x a week.
a.
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:50 am

MAH4546:

As of December/04, 5 x week (RG GIG-GRU-LAX).

--------------

The following are the flights from "deep south america" to ASIA:

RG = GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT
JL = GRU-JFK-NRT
MH = EZE-CPT-JNB-KUL

and to OCEANIA:

AR = EZE-AKL-SYD
LA = SCL-AKL-SYD
QF = SCL-AKL-SYD

Thanks,
Hardi




[Edited 2004-10-27 18:05:32]
 
JoFMO
Posts: 1840
Joined: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:55 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:23 am

QF doesn't serve SYD-AKL-SCL with it's own planes. QF holds the route authority and LA serves the route on behalf of QF. The flight has both codes.
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:29 am

JoFMO:

Thanks for your correction. Some time ago QF had flights SYD-AKL-EZE, in direct competition with AR.



 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:31 am

Are you forgetting that LAN flies LAX-LIM-SCL-EZE? Then again, I still don't understand why we don't have more South American service, especially from US carriers. UA and AA both have a great deal of frequent flyers in the LA area would would love a 777 per day to all over South America
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
FLY2LIM
Posts: 1095
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 6:01 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:50 am

Deep South America means Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. From these countries there is only ONE direct flight operated by RG on the route GRU-LAX, 5 x week with the MD11.

hmmmmm, according to whom? LIM is directly west of Bolivia, Brazil and northwest of Paraguay. It is in the southern hemisphere and it's an 8 hour flight from LAX. Not that I really care about this thread but, what makes LIM not be "deep enough" in SA?
By the way, the LAX - NRT flights on RG used to make a stop in LIM years ago. Same with the LAX flights on AR (do they still fly to LAX?). Then, there was my favorite, SFO-LAX-LIM on BN's DC-8s. Ahhh, the good ol' days.
FLY2LIM
Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
 
erikwilliam
Posts: 2122
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:30 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:53 am

RG from GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT, only because the Japanese comunity in Brasil that its huge, actually the biggest outside japan.
JL from GRU-JFK-NRT is very busy too, I took this flight to JFK a couple of times and was the cheapest.
The service is good and F/A´s too. and I have a really good history on this flight: the flight was packed, no place left in economy class, and I was on the side row ABC. I was on the window, and a pregnat lady and her mom seated next to me. As we know economy seats are not the most confortable in the world, then I asked the F/A if she could move me to another seat so the pregnant lady could be more confortable. The F/A asked me why and if I had any preference on another seat, since I was on the window one etc. I sayd no, anyone for me is fine, I just want this lady to be more confortable during the 8hr flight. I don´t know why, but the F/A couldn´t belive I was doing that, so she gently asked for my hand-bag and asked me to folow her. I did, and guess what?!She seated me in Business Class, since the economy was fully loaded with people. It was great, but I didn´t understand why she moved me instead of the pregnant lady, anyway, I did my part.

I know a bit off topic, but I felt like telling U guys.

Have a good one.
Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:05 am

I always found it strange that there were so few flights operating out of LAX nonstop to GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL, I would think that a market exists for both O&D traffic and connections to/from the Asia and the Pacific, not to mention connections to other US destinations on the west coast. Miami is of course the US gateway to the United States, but other gateways/hubs have successful "deep south american" flights, such as DL at ATL, CO at IAH and AA and DFW.....why not LAX? I realize that the distances out of LAX are far, but the flights do no require ultra long haul aircraft, even a 763ER can manage some of the routes. Is this an oversight by the airlines, or to avoid risk, do US carriers simply route LAX passengers via their hubs. Another issue, I guess, is route authority - neither Argentina or Brazil are open skies and the number of flights into those countries are strictly controlled so services to LAX have not been introduced.

I too remember Braniffs DC8 flights from SFO to LAX to Lima and then on to other points in South America (mainly Brazil I think) - there may even have been a nonstop from LAX to SCL at one time. Braniff's authorities went to Eastern and then to American - so its likely that AA could re-open these routes, however, I do not think that AA could add any additional flights into Brazil or Argentina at the moment due to regulatory constraints.
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:22 am

Dutchjet:

Very good point.

Let me shed some light on this issue. This week United published a press release about its operations in Brazil. Currently UA operates flight from GRU and GIG to ORD and IAD. UA stated that 40% of its total pax flying from Brazil to the US used its connection service in ORD and IAD. The connections with higher demand were:

1. LAX;
2. BOS;
3. DEN;

This proves that there is demand for the US West Coast, but as you mentioned, maybe airlines don't operate more flight there because of restrictions in bilateral agreements.

Hardi

 
Marambio
Posts: 1145
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:41 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:39 am

And we should add the AR flight LAX-LIM that continues to EZE...

AR does not fly to LAX, either non-stop or whatsoever.

They are interested on starting the route. An FAA delegation is in Argentina to check out whether we can be upgraded to Cat1 again. Apparently we will.

The A310 doesn't have the range for EZE-LAX non-stop, while the A342s are already busy and the route loads' are not enough for a B744. This basically means it should be flown via some other South American city. Some rumors state AR will pick LIM, but as of now those are still ideas and no official comments have been made.

During the 1980s and early 1990s, AR flew EZE-MEX-LAX with a Boeing 747SP. For a short period of time, between 1999 and 2000, they flew EZE-LAX non-stop with an A342.

Saludos,
Marambio
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:46 am

Believe it or not LAX-South America is really not that big a market.

The California Hispanic population is by far mostly either from Mexico or Central America.
According to census information, from nearly about 6 million hispanics, only about 200,000 are from South America with Peruvians being the largest group with 53,000 residents.

Several South American carriers have served Los Angeles in the past including Aero Peru, Aerolineas Argentinas, Saeta, Ecuatoriana and Avianca however each has discontinued service for one reason or the other.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:54 am

Marambio:

Why did AR turn down a 5th A342 earlier this year? I know they chose B744s instead, but surely one more A340 would make a difference and be useful as a back-up aircraft, especially since the active A340 fleet has been down at 3 aircraft since May due to the 8C-Checks (-ZPX must be nearly ready, no?).

And how many destinations did the 747SP serve? The last time I flew on an AR 747, circa 1990, I seem to remember it being unusually small. Did the -SP serve any European destinations?

Saludos,

ZXV

How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
argento
Posts: 219
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 1:44 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:22 pm

The SP was used most of the time for the EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX route during the 80s.I know that the AR 747SP was the first to link EZE with FCO non-stop in 1982.In 1982 was not normal to take a point to point flight from to Buenos Aires to Europe ,you have to stop at GRU(VRC)-GIG ,and some times Dakar, specially in the 60s and 70s.
AR used the SP some times to Europe and other destinations in USA , but it was not a regular visitor.
The A340-200 is perfect for AR ,performing long thin routes like EZE-AKL-SYD, to FCO, JFK,(LAX,CDG).
 
Arcano
Posts: 2299
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:34 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:20 am

Hardiwv:

LAN has some seasonal non stop flights SCL-LAX, during our austral summer, so maybe this year they will restart it, as a combination with the regiular flight 600 EZE-SCL-LIM-LAX

Regards )( Arcano

in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
SEQU
Posts: 34
Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:59 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:50 am

Arcano and Hardiw,

Yes, apparently LAN will begin SCL-LAX direct this summer (southern summer) beginning in January, using 767's.

I will try to confirm frequencies and such....

Saludos,

Alfredo
 
The777Man
Posts: 5911
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:54 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:06 am

Would be nice to see RG fly their 777s to LAX.... Any idea when/if they are getting PP-VRE and PP-VRF (ex-UA N205UA, N207UA) ? It seems to me that it would make sense for RG to have their best and most comfortable aircraft to fly their longest route and if/when they get more 777s, they should have enough of them to fly them to Japan via LAX.

The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:14 am

777Man:

Would be nice to see RG fly their 777s to LAX.... Any idea when/if they are getting PP-VRE and PP-VRF (ex-UA N205UA, N207UA)?

November. And I think it's N208UA, not 205.

Regards,

ZXV

How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
The777Man
Posts: 5911
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:54 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:24 am

Thanks, LV-ZXV!

Any idea where they will be flying them ?

The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:51 am

777Man:

All I know is that RG are ditching some of their MD-11s (and acquiring more!). Maybe Hardiwv or someone in Brazil could answer your question.

Regards,

ZXV

How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
ktachiya
Posts: 1500
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:54 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:22 am

AMS

Interesting that Japanese Brazilians are going through Europe. So Varig can't fill the Brazil-United States-Japan routes anymore?

Is the same kind of measure also taken at JFK?
Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
 
TBCITDG
Posts: 851
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:17 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:07 pm

I was very surprised at how expensive LA is compared to other carriers from LAX to EZE. I suppose that thy have the best connections (LIM) and no competition from any other carrier.
The only other options are to fly via other US cities prolonging the trip even more!
 
Arcano
Posts: 2299
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:34 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:56 am

TBCITDG:

Weird thing, a friend of mine founded that it was much cheaper to flight in business EZE-LAX than SCL-LAX by LAN, so he flew in coach to Ezeiza and then he took the aircraft!

Regards )( Arcano
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
TBCITDG
Posts: 851
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:17 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:44 am

Interesting point.
I have friends that are traveling to Argentina for summer from the states and the prices that they where quoted was far more than that offered by the American carriers or even that of other South/Central American carries having to transit in their respective countries.

PS: Did you hear anything about Aerolineas del Sur offering tickets 17% cheaper than those offered by LA??
 
Arcano
Posts: 2299
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:34 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:57 am

Actually, TA and CM has very good fares for us from/to USA, so LAN starts to compete in Chile based on service, Lan Pass, direct flights and wide bodies, clearly not by price. One more time competition helps!

And as for Aerolineas del Sur... I want to start a new thread, but I want to have more information to have a more detailed report, the same for the general status of Chile's aviation.

Regards )(
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:46 pm

The777Man:
ZXV:

RG's new 777 will NOT operate to LAX. They will operate to FRA and CDG-AMS.

RG is also planning to start flights GRU-MUC-PEK, with the 777, early in 2005.

RG does not use its most modern plane to the route GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT simply because it only competes with JAL on this route, and competition to Europe is fierce as most European carriers use new planes on their route to GRU. (e.g. GRU was one of the launching destinations of KL's 777).

Ktachiya:

Yes, RG and JAL had a lot of problems with their flights Japan-Brazil because of the new VISA measures for transit pax in the US. The situation now is going back to normal. By chance I talked to a JAL staff and she said that JAL is again operating good loads and yields on their route NRT-JFK-GRU. However, it's not the same as before 09/11, when RG's flights to Japan was its most profitable route!

There is no doubt that many Japanese-Brazilians migrated to other airlines/routes, as Canada and Europe turned much more attractive as there is no need for VISA and travel time as almost the same!

Note: RG is negotiating a new route to Japan via Europe: GRU-ZUR-NRT. Still under negotiation with Japanese authorities as RG wants travel rights from ZUR-NRT.

Regards,
Hardi

 
The777Man
Posts: 5911
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:54 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:01 am

Thanks for the update, Hardi.

I know that RG have talked about the route to PEK for a while. You really think this is going to happen early next year ?

Thanks!

The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:18 am

The777Man:

Varig already has an agreement to operate the route with Air China, and the crew would be from both airlines on a RG metal. However, the decision about the route will largely depend on the rescue plan for RG which will be announced by the Government until the end of the year...only then we will known how much cash RG will get from the Government (or a foreign investor), if any!

Hardi
 
LVZXV
Posts: 1729
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:03 am

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:40 am

Hardi:

Can you by any chance explain the "juggling" taking place within RG's MD-11 fleet? Until when does RG plan to operate them?

ZXV

How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
 
hardiwv
Posts: 4341
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:30 pm

RE: Los Angeles - South America Traffic

Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:09 am

LVZXV:

I really dont have any precise information. I asked this very question many times. In my point of view, RG's MD11 would serve better as cargo aircraft! They are all very old. As I said, there is no concrete fleet renewal plan at RG, just the introduction of some second-hand 777...again, we will have to wait for the decision of the Government about the rescue plan for RG.

(Do you want my opinion? I think TP will buy 20% of RG with a concessional loan given by the Government of Brazil, and about 50% of RG's shares will go to a pool of debtors, which will appoint a new RG management team and restructure the company. But certainly a decision will come by the end of this year, and this will change the aviation landscape in Brazil. An independent report on Varig, commisioned by the Government and prepared by an international consultancy, is currently being analysed by senior Government officials. The recommendations of the report will be key in the decision making process).

Hardi

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 76er, 777klm, afterburner33, AirbusOnly, AsiaTravel, Baidu [Spider], cchan, debonair, Google [Bot], HALFA, klwright69, oldannyboy, overcast, qf789, SInGAPORE_AIR, wezgulf3, xiaotung and 266 guests