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'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:10 am

For those who work in the airline industry:

I'm just curious.

I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe. This got my mind thinking.

I'm sure many of us have heard the tales (true or not) of airline personnel (pilots and/or f/a's) having affairs while on the road.

Inter-office affairs happen in every major company, so I'm sure they happen with airlines, but how common are they REALLY...given the accessability to frequent trips away from home, hotels, close working proximity, etc?
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:17 am

The airline industry is no different from any other industry. That should explain your question. Chapter closed.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:19 am

>>I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.<<


Does that go for male FA's too??
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:29 am

I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.

Does that go for male FA's too??


This was specifically in response to a conversation here: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1796511/
...about DL suspending an f/a for blogging. If you read in there, you'll see what I mean about the "preacher's daughter" thing.

But notice I said "pilots and/or f/a's" so that should encompass everyone. Nice try.  Smile
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:37 am

Although people who work in this industry haver a higher rate of divorce.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:38 am

>>But notice I said "pilots and/or f/a's" so that should encompass everyone. Nice try.<<


What was I trying???
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:43 am

Although people who work in this industry haver a higher rate of divorce.

Interesting. I know its a stressful lifestyle. But, you wouldn't happen to have statistics to support this, would you?
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:49 am

Given the age of some of those senior babes you might want to say the preachers mother. At a mjor airline the enviornment is too corporate for sleazy interaction, although it could happen in rare instances. We don't have time for that, plane changes every one or two legs and short over nights.
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:55 am

I´m pretty sure there´s a lot of room sharing going on, if you know what I mean. Most female f/a´s look pretty good, and they know it. If they´re looking for some fun, and the pilot isn´t too serious about his relationship or simply can´t resist the temptation... This obviously also goes for male f/a´s and female pilots.
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:15 am

The way I explain it when asked is this: In the "old days"(the 60's and 70's) take what you imagine happening and TRIPPLE it! The flight crews back then were the Special Ops Warriors in the sexual revolution. At TWA, they used to call the DC9-10(pre-Ozark) crews "four on the floor". Two pilots and two FA's. I was told that if you didn't get l**d at least once on every trip, you just weren't trying.

Now, there's probably more action going on in most suburban neighborhoods. There have been too many "good" examples of ruined lives and lost retirements for most of us to "chase skirt". AIDS, herpes and run of the mill clap will land you in divorce court--or the morgue.TC
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:25 am

I have no statistics, just common sense. Here is a group of people who have much in common and who are provided a paid hotel room and plenty of time (when not working) to do as they please. I have seen crews who arrive at their destination, get in their rooms, and just want to get to sleep. I would say this is a high percentage. However, there also have to be crewmembers who prefer each other's company.
As someone said, this behavior would not be exclusive to this industry. However, this "lifestyle" sure makes it easy for airplane crews to play around.
I am curious as to why the heading calls this "sleazy" interaction. Sex doesn't have to be sleazy, ya know?
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:33 am

Shouldn't this go in the non-aviation forum?

 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:28 am

I am curious as to why the heading calls this "sleazy" interaction. Sex doesn't have to be sleazy, ya know?

I agree. Hence the quotations around the word Sleazy. It's up to you to determine if its sleazy or not.

Shouldn't this go in the non-aviation forum?
No, b/c it's a relevant question relating to life as an f/a or pilot, and the airline industry as a whole.



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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:05 am

You people have no clue what schedules the majority of crews work. There isn't any time or energy to engage in anything other than sleep. Its not uncommon for a three day trip to have 12+ hours days on duty with the rest on layover. Most of the time I don't get a good nights rest because: the layover is very short (less 6-7 hours sleep), on the layovers that are longer you tend to have crack of dawn wakeup calls (330-5a).
I am pretty observant and haven't noticed any sign of "sleazy" crew interactions between flight deck crew, cabin crew, or flight deck/cabin crew. Maybe these things happen at foreign carriers still, but in the US the mentality is very corporate. WHo wants to be fired for sexual harrassment?
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:46 am

Jafa

I see pilots bring their girlfriends into LIT with them all the time for RONs. I recently saw a pilot with his hand quite far up the skirt of the F/A sitting in the right seat on the flt. deck while waiting for boarding. It does happen. I talk to the F/As and a lot of the time they are very eager to tell me about their hotel room adventures.
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:55 am


It happens, altough probably not as much as in the golden years. I knew a few young female FA's at a US regional who would bang pretty much anything-pilots, mechanics, hell even rampers. One of them ended up taking maternity leave thanks to one of the CRJ captains though. So yeah it does happen, maybe not as much on trips, but definitely back at the base city.

 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:04 am

In which case, Lrockeagle, Jilly Cooper needs to speak with you urgently, I hear she needs material for a new book!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:08 am

A hundred years ago when I started flying (I lfew for PanAm until the end)...trust me, there was LOTS of fun going on...(oh to be young again! G)..these days..not as much as there use to be...we are now working 12-14 hour domestic days...9 hour block to block layovers (meaning 6 hours of sleep if your lucky....so the energy and time is just not there any more!
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:59 am

From what I have been told Long Haul international Pilots seem to have the most fun of them all.
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:34 am

i think relationships among flight crews (cockpit & cabin) are a normal and acceptable behavior.

you've got normal people who have in common a lifestyle and the company they work for. relationships between people who share these things are very common in any industry.

i don't think airlines actively recruit "peacher's daughters" types. they recruit (or used to when we were profitable) individuals who have a professional appearance and disposition. you have flight attendants who are, underneath their uniforms, covered with tattoos and have multiple body piercings. you have pilots who are religous zealots and cheat on their wives relentlessly. people in this profession run the gamet of personality types. all have one thing in common...they have a professional appearance and disposition.

flight crews are just like everybody else.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:38 am

Well of course they do, its just like any other office except theirs flies through the sky! This Topic brings back lots of great memories!!! Oh that F9 DEN-DFW Flight was G-R-E-A-T!!!!!
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:46 am

Why should anyone care if a pilot and flight attendant has a little fun after a long flight or layover in another town between flights?

As long as a pilot gets people to there destination safe and flight attendant serves my cocktails strong is all that matters.

DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.

Oh gosh my first sexual experience was with a preachers daughter. Lots of fun!  Smokin cool


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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:25 am

I remember when I was a teenager flying out of MSP in a NW DC-10-40 I was invited into the cockpit for a pre-flight visit. After the usual questions and such, I hung around in the pilot's seat as some flight attendants came in for a casual chat. And I was amazed at the sleazy interaction between the flight and cabin crews - a lot of innuendo and attitude.

And then to top things off, the copilot suggested that a succession of flight attendants strike poses on my 15-year old lap while he took photos with my camera. It was very awkward and I'm still too embarassed to look over those photos in my album. A bit tasteless, if you ask me.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:34 am

Crazyboi:
Feel free to email me those photos!  Laugh out loud

I am uneasy with the term "Sleazy".
It sounded like the crew was just having a good time. If it's consensual than I see no problem.

And I was amazed at the sleazy interaction between the flight and cabin crews - a lot of innuendo and attitude.

Check out some old episodes of Threes Company.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:54 am

Oh please give me a break to whoever said there isn't time to do anything but sleep!
I've known several f/a's who told me some interesting story while away. In fact, I bagged a nice little red head several years ago from NW. I met this girl out while she had a day off in NYC.

Yeah, there is a lot playing when away from home.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:04 pm

crazyboi-

I want those pictures!!!
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:32 pm

crazyboi-

I want those pictures!!!



They're safely in the vault. I look like such a wanker, this gangly, pimply teenage airplane geek with a big, buxom blonde balance on my lap. Argh.

Maybe that's what finally "pushed" me over the edge.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:32 pm

Man, yall don't know, there a lot of F/As out there who are freaks. Ah man, enought said.
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:49 pm

Happens all the time....to share a little bit of a personal story, a few years ago my father was newly divorced, and was an F/O on the MD-88. Now, over the summer, I used to fly a few trips with him just to see what his daily life was like. When some of those middle-aged FA's found out that he was single, their tone would immediately go from professional to "so senor, how are youuuu doin?"  Big grin...I still to this day find little Delta beverage napkins with phone numbers on them in his nav bag. Some of those single 40 yr old ones sure are obvious! I'm sure there's been some other good road stories, and I've certainly seen my share of cute FA's before, so even though this isn't the sex-crazed 60's, it still goes on  Big grin

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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:01 pm

I have been on TONS of flights where while on the ground the pilot would be mingling in the rear galley with the flight attendant.

:-p
 
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:32 pm

Crazyboi:
I look like such a wanker, this gangly, pimply teenage airplane geek with a big, buxom blonde balance on my lap. Argh.

Maybe that's what finally "pushed" me over the edge.




No offense but are you 'on the other team'?  Confused

You could erase yourself from the photo for all I care!  Laugh out loud






DeltaGuy:
Great to hear the sexual revolution still lives on in our paranoid post 9/11, Dubya war-monger, fear infested society.  Smokin cool

Why do ya'll think auto-pilot was invented?
It's so one of the pilots or flight engineers can please the finest female F/A and be relaxed in time for landing.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: 'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction

Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:43 pm

Seems like there are some similarities b/w Airline life and the military. I've seen firsthand how prevalent adultery in the military is, both among the servicemembers, but their spouses as well.

-You're away from home a lot, especially nowadays
-You're in a high-stress situation
-You're around people with similar life situations, personal problems experiences, etc
...or...
-You've been working so much that you're "deprived," and you're just horny

I pretty much started this threat to see if all the rumors I've heard about the airline industry are true, and as I expected, I've heard mixed things.
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