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Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:24 am

In a remarkable coincidence the day after ATA files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Northwest Airlines announced 12 new routes out of Indianapolis with special introductory fares. Most routes are to commence October 31 while flights to MCO and FLL begin December 15th.

Besides flights to Northwest hubs, the other routes include New York, MCO, TPA, Washington D.C. (Did not specify whether this is DCA or IAD), LAS, RDU, RSW, LAX, BOS, PHL, BDL, and FLL.

Sort of reminds me of Bush's wolves commercial where they are sensing weakness and going on the attack.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:30 am

It's called "survival of the fittest", and in a time where the industry is in flux, you do what you think needs to be done. You'll get no cries of pity from me about this. It's a dog-eat-dog industry.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:31 am

I don't know about the others, but RDU was announced months ago... as was the others.. announced back in August, I think...
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:31 am

These new routes were announced months ago. The only coincidence is that ATA decided to file the day before NW's flights were scheduled to begin.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:35 am

>>In a remarkable coincidence the day after ATA files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Northwest Airlines announced 12 new routes out of Indianapolis with special introductory fares. Most routes are to commence October 31 while flights to MCO and FLL begin December 15th.<<


There's no coincidence... NW announced these routes weeks ago.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:38 am

Even if they did announce them sometime ago, the import is unmistakable, and the timing for NW probably couldn't be better.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:40 am

I don't know...now that ATA is staying in IND, i think there is going to be a long fight between NW and TZ...When TZ comes out of bankruptcy i expect them to fight.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:41 am

NW is not only going for the kill on ATA, but UA as well. Many of those routes are currently operated by US: PHL, BOS, DCA, LGA. US is still rather strong in IND even though they have removed their hub status. US typically draws on a lot of the higher fare paying Lilly executives and the like, but it looks like NW is wanting more of the market.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:47 am

I don't know.. I do know that RDU is a new station from IND... not served by ATA or US... NW just saw where good potential was and took a jab at it.. The RDU-IND is an old J1 route.. and at ~$200 r/t.. it's not that bad! ATA had an opportunity to jump on that route as RDUAA approached them.. but it was declined by ATA. Let's see how NW does on it..
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:48 am

NW is not only going for the kill on ATA, but UA as well.

Typo. alert: I think you meant US.

Many of those routes are currently operated by US: PHL, BOS, DCA, LGA. US is still rather strong in IND even though they have removed their hub status.

It's a shame that TZ didn't offer non-stop service to IND from the above-cities. Had they offered PHL-IND service in addition to PHL-MDW, not all their routes would been eclipsed/overlapped by WN when they came to town a few months ago.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:02 am

Does anyone think that ATA will initiate service to any of those cities from IND or any others after they get their act together?
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:12 am

a few facts....these routes were indeed announced weeks ago and ATA responded by addind new routes and frequency.As a matter of fact ATA has moved its ticket counters to UA's old space because of expansion. Also lets not forget that NW tried to make IND a "focus" city before and it didnt bode well. GO ATA !!!!!!
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:13 am

This was announced in July... hardly coincidental. It's just NWA seizing a market and building on it. It's just good business that NWA has got the foresight and vision to do what is necessary to remain competitive. This IND expansion by NWA has very little if anything to do with ATAs announcement yesterday.

Unless NWA announced new routes TODAY above and beyond what was announced in July... this is old news and not even worth discussing anymore.


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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:23 am

When did NW try to make IND a focus city before??
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:27 am

7E72004........because when something starts to bleed, the sharks move in.
Does that answer your Q?
They are doing the same at MKE and M I G H T do similar at PIT but no one knows for sure.

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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:32 am

I always root for the underdog. I'd like a chance to fly on ATA someday. Hope they keep CLT (served from of IND instead of MDW maybe?)!
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:32 am

i see but WHEN did they try to make IND a focus city previously?
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:44 am

I don't believe they ever made IND a previous focus city!!! MKE yes but not IND.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:45 am

Well, the airlines in America are finding it tough. Survial of the fittest.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:54 am

Come on guys, there was a thread almost identical to this a couple weeks ago, this was announnced in July! NW is indeed trying to hurt the smaller airlines such as Midwest and ATA.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:14 am

Good god... this is like talking to a brick wall. I give up!! When you all come back to earth and recognize the reality that NWA is a business that needs to MAKE MONEY and take care of its passengers and evolve for long term viability - then we can have intelligent discussions. Considering the sources, that's not probable. For now, you all can argue and throw your NWA is out to get Midwest and ATA tantrums.


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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:14 am

If NW can take enough business to put TZ out of business, then well done NW and the average TZ employee (with many exceptions, of course) deserves to be out of a job. Similarly, if TZ can take enough business to put NW out of business, then well done TZ and the average NW employee (with many exceptions, of course) deserves to be out of a job. Companies that hire the wrong people (especially at the top) eventually fail. The good employees have an easier time finding jobs than the bad employees. In the long run, everyone making an effort benefits. We have new airlines being started e.g. B6 and old airlines failing. Both are good.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:20 am

Well if and when US Airways finally faulters, I think there will be ample opportunity for both airlines to succeed. I think Northwest will hurt Delta and US Airways business more than ATA's. I think a lot of travelers will stay true to ATA as the hometown favorite or Northwest (business advantage). Hopefully ATA will jump on the chances to do IND-Washington or Boston or Philadelphia if US Airways falters.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:55 am

May be that is the kind of business practices that arm chair-teenage CEO's would engage in.
Its about making money, which is the purpose of a business. NWA annouced those routes quite a while before ATA announced bankruptcy. NWA has said is many previous press releases that IND is part of thier focus, they have a high number of elite fliers in that city.
ATA and NWA should be able to coexist in IND. I wish all the best to ATA and its employees, they too are trying to make it in a tough market.
 
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:56 am

I don't know about anyone else but i have ATA/NW overkill  Big grin
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:51 am

And for more on this subject please see Airliners.net at

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1794110/
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:11 am

IND was never a focus city for NWA. However, in the early 90's not sure of the exact year, NWA did fly from IND to LGA. The service only lasted a few months. I don't think that consitutes a focus city, however.

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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:44 am

Geez NW has perfect timing...so did ATA. NW might as well have a DC-9 painted in black with a Pirate logo taxi past the ATA gates...ATA will be on their way soon....

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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:36 pm

Well, as stated above, IND was announced months ago. In addition to that, NW management has recently stated that the loads on these routes are better than they had anticipated.
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RE: Northwest Goes For The Kill At IND

Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:39 pm

I say good for them!!!!
I wish ATA employees good luck. Maybe they can be part of the NW family, it would probably be better that way. I think it's great that a major, full service carrier is reclaiming market share in America. Good Luck NW!
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