richardw
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B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:16 am

How important is this product to airlines like BA,QF,AF,SQ, are there a significant number of frequent first class passengers who definitely like this product and would fly on other airlines if it wasn't available to them rather than go on a B777 or A340?
 
daumueller
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:26 am

a typical F-Class PAX doesn't care about the aircraft but about the airline.

If LH doesn't offer F-Class on 747, I go for A340. If they don't offer it on either, I go for another airline. That's at least my priority.

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kanebear
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:27 am

On certain routes yes (LAX/JFK/ORD-LHR, LHR-SYD, LAX/JFK-HKG, SYD-LAX/JFK to name a few). F class is an absolute necessity with a tight schedule as it allows more privacy for sleep or work if necessary. J class is good but just doesn't get it done as well. Mind you I'm talking about tight schedule as in fly 19 hours, land, shower, change, go to a day's worth of meetings, return to the airport, fly elsewhere. Such a schedule can and does occur. My most recent trip requiring such travel was MIA-GRU-LHR-ORD with meetings that could NOT be re-arranged. In each case I overnighted on the planes, showered and changed at the airport (except GRU where I had to make use of a nearby hotel dayroom) and went on to my meetings. I sleep ok in J but sleep well in F. Without that rest, I wouldn'tve been at peak performance.
 
rtfm
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:34 am

Not sure I understand your query here... First in BA747 is the same as the 777 in terms of seat, service, etc; the only thing that is different is the layout because on the 747 First is downstairs in the nose as opposed to being behind the cockpit/galley on the 777. What difference does it make? Not much... and I know people who prefer the 777 layout vs the 747 (but let's face it, we're being kind of picky here..  Smile )

I guess people fly BA because they like their First product and/or are BA Exec club members so I would doubt many would switch to UA First on a 747 just because the BA flight was op by a 777...
 
richardw
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:36 am

I'm mainly talking about nose cone main deck B747 First class in this thread.
 
fbgdavidson
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:05 am

I'm not a frequent F traveller like some people I know. A friend of the family splits his time between his houses in Cannes and the UK as well as his place of work in Essen, Germany (where he lives on weekdays) and also combines twice monthly trips to JNB in F.

Having spoken to him he couldn't really care less whether he is flying on a 747, 767, A340 or Sopwith Camel. He needs to get where he wants on time and in comfort which means F. His JNB trips are only a day long and so if he isn't in tip-top it isn't worth his time going down there.

For me I find dont' get the excitement on here about flying on a 777, 747 -400 or whatever. Especially when the service is identical on each flight. For me the only time I change my timetable depending on operating aircraft is when I fly to LHR-IAD. Preferably I'd take the morning BA flight however its a 777 which sucks in J in my opinion. Especially if you have a full flight the service goes down the pan and the 777 J cabin always feels so cramped because of 2-4-2 config. The BA223/293 in the afternoon is operated by a 747 and so I always for for this flight knowing that I can get upper deck. Less seats, better service, more private feel, side pods for hand luggage etc etc.
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:15 am

Everyone has thier own opinions of course..... so here's mine!  Laugh out loud If I were to operate the 744 with a premium first class, I would operate it on the upper deck. Many poeple have emphasized how the upper deck has an intimate feel being in a smaller space. More one on one service. But that's just me.

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fbgdavidson
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:24 am

But flying in the nose of a 747 is sooo quiet. Ok so just switch on you NC headphones but having flown Upper deck and nose of BA 747s I'd prefer to keep F where it is. The privacy of the nose of a 747 is unmatched, seats 1A & K for example. Just look at photos on the database. You wouldnt' get that on the upper deck

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hardiwv
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:55 am

First is so immportant that BA will replace the 777 for the 747 to GRU. GRU is currently BA's 8th most lucrative First Class route in the world. Due to this specific demand for First Class in GRU, BA decided to replace aircraft to this destination. It shows that First Class on the 747 offers not only more seats, but is also preferred by travelers.

Hardi
 
fbgdavidson
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:40 am

Hardivw, the 777 and 747 on BA fleets both have 14 seats. But as you rightly say GRU is a very popular route for BA. A friend of mine goes down there regularly and says it is one of the worst for redemption bookings
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rtfm
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:50 am

Fbgdavidson - not quite; some BA777s have a 17F config; I think that they are the ones that op to the Middle-East destinations.
 
fbgdavidson
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:07 am

17F seats

First I have heard of it.....To the best of my knowledge BA operate only operate the one 14 seat config on the 777. With rows 1-3 with A,E,F,K seats and 4A and 4K

17 in F would not work because there is not enough room in the cabin for another 3 seats and BA would not redesign the seat for the sake of a few routes to the Middle East
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fbgdavidson
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:36 pm

I stand corrected. Apologies Rtfm.
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acefreighter
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:38 pm

Incorrect I am afraid.

BA operate 3 777's in 17F config. They are G-ZZZA, B and C.
Although they were originally used for Middle East routes, they also operate on other routes including the USA and Canada east coast and Cairo for example.

The F Layout is 1A/EF/K, 2A/EF/K, 3A/K, 4A/EF/K, 5A/EF. Same seats laid out differently.

ZZB is op BA187 to EWR today in this layout.
 
IL76TD
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:05 pm

F is F, and honestly I don't care whether it is main deck F in a 744 or F in a 777. However I don't like the upper deck F on 747's (from any airline), if i wanted a cramped sloped-wall cabin i would have flown an airbus ha.
 
rtfm
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RE: B747 Long Haul First Class

Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:31 am

Fbgdavidson - no worries! Actually your post made me re-check - BA's website currently only shows one 777 config for First with 14F; I know I have flown on the 17Fs (to various Middle-East destinations) so glad that someone verified that there are some still in service....

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