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Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:31 pm

What are the most lucrative routes for all the majors? Where could I find a top 10 for each carrier? Based on class? Thanks!

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:55 pm

I am not sure that information is going to be generally available for business reasons... why tell the competition?

I have read in the past that AA's ORD-MAN flight is one of their most successful and profitable ones, but that was a few years ago.

You could try asking the airlines themselves.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:17 pm

Far and away, CO's most profitable route is EWR-TLV. Between their two flights, they are able to fill 96 J seats with paid pax on a routine basis.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:19 pm

One of BA's and, presumably, VS's most lucrative routes is LHR-LOS. I assume BA's LHR-ABV and VS's LHR-PHC are also lucrative. In fact, most flights to West, East and Southern Africa (except South Africa) are normally very expensive.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:28 pm

For AF it is Luanda PER FLIGHT but they are only allowed to operate the route once a week so it's probably somewhere like Abidjan or Libreville that does best for them.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:38 pm

UA............PACIFIC!!!! Big grin
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:43 pm

That was Pan Am's most profitable one as well. I take it that UA will be selling that to get a bit of cash? It certainly worked for PA
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:14 pm

Isn't CDG-JFK or LHR-JFK profitable ?
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:23 pm

This topic about "cash cow" routes has been beat into the ground. There were just two forums on it last month. Just a friendly reminder to do a search next time  Smile
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:33 pm

ATLhomeCMH,
Maybe somebody wanted to talk about this topic now. I suppose because it's been disscussed many times in the past--we can no longer talk about it? If that's the case how come I keep hearing W. tell us how good the war in Iraq is going?

JFK-LHR
JFK-LAX
JFK-SFO
LGA-ORD

To name a few.

 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:35 pm

Codeshare: Absolutely, the trans-Atlantic gateways are traditionally very profitable for airlines. However, with the extensive competition by the European and American airlines, profits (especially in Economy) are somewhat watered down removing the possibility of them being the most profitable routes for the companies.

On that note however, I do believe JFK-LHR is one of AA's most profitable routes, and that's why they also provide a 'shuttle' much like BA, with 6 daily flights.

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:38 pm

DL - anywhere Airtran does'nt fly. Honestly being a DL employee I would not comment too much on that. "IMO"
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:17 am

Hello,

For Swiss, I heard that the Geneva- New York route, which is called "United Nations Bus" is very lucrative. This flight is everyday full in F and C and often in Y.
Another LX route which was very profiatble is the Zurich-Malabo route.

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Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:26 am

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:31 am

I don't have the figures, but I'm pretty sure that for IB one of the most lucrative routes is MAD-EZE. What do you think?
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:33 am

ZHR-SSG??? Profitable???  Wow! Obiang must be the biggest corrupt in Africa... How many differents bank accounts do he might to have in Switzerland???

For IB, MEX and JFK are very profitables, with a very good occupation ratio in Buz.
In the AF'case all routes towards Japan and of course, the typical Paris-Montreal
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:35 am

Far and away, CO's most profitable route is EWR-TLV. Between their two flights, they are able to fill 96 J seats with paid pax on a routine basis.

What a/c do they operate on this route, and why is it so profitable?

Doesn't AA operate more frequent routes from ORD-LHR than any other gateway city in Europe? Wouldn't that be most profitable since they can route a ton of their business traffic through ORD?

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:41 am

Jfklganyc:

Maybe somebody wanted to talk about this topic now.
That's perfectly fine. Just gets old seeing the same stuff over and over...and over...and over again. That's why I've stopped starting forums w/ WN as the topic b/c no matter what it is, it always turns into a mudslinging fest.

I suppose because it's been disscussed many times in the past--we can no longer talk about it?

Ok Mr. Sensitive. I don't know where I said that, but there are certain topics that are talked about TOO much.

If that's the case how come I keep hearing W. tell us how good the war in Iraq is going?

Now I agree with you there. I know from firsthand experience it's not going that great.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:45 am

EWR-TLV is two B772s daily.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:48 am

EWR-TLV? How does this do so well? What is load factor on those flights please?
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:54 am

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but for BD, their most profiable route is LHR-BHD with 8 rotations a day. The flights are generally close to full all day every day.

However there used to be 16 flights a day when BA served the route from BFS, so I can only assume the traffic is there. Looking at other carriers, both BE and U2 fly to London up to 20 times daily between them. There is so much demand.

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:56 am

EWR-TLV is so profitable partially by the economy, as in my opinion CO has got LY beat as far as C Class quality,but by how many Business seats at high prices you can pack on those 2 daily 777s.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:01 am

SO is it locals filling the 777 seats on CO, or businessmen? What is their competition into TLV?
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:43 am

It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:54 am

INTERNATIONAL for NWA

ALL of Pacific..and thats a lot!

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:08 am

NZBlue posted the link to most of the routings above . . .
My question is, Why is LOS so popular for travel? You guys classify it as a cash cow? CO wants to go there. I know there isn't much competition but who needs to go there? I am missing something?
Also, I know CO has 2 777s tied up on the TLV route, with less than 2% of Americans being of Jewish backgroun, why is this so polular? Is there a large political base that visits there or business executive??
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:00 am

"with less than 2% of Americans being of Jewish backgroun, why is this so polular? Is there a large political base that visits there or business executive??"


Everyone has to go home to visit their mother once in a while.

Just kidding...Israel over the last few years has grown to become a very popular and attractive international tourist destination from the United States, in addition to the growth of business and financial exchanges between the two nations. Then you also have to figure in the large number of international students from Israel, let alone that part of the region who come over here as well.







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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:34 am

Aa777jr,

AA operates more flights to LHR from JFK than ORD. It's easy to look up.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:41 am

The most lucrative Canadian routes in my opinion are Between:
YYZ and YUL
YYZ and YOW
YYC and YEG
YYC and YVR
YVR and YYZ

If any one knows any others in Canada add to this list.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:42 am

For Qantas it's SYD-LAX. Almost a third of the company's profits come from this one route!
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:50 am

Any flights from US mainland to Latin America and the Caribbean. These flights are 1/4 the distance of any US - Europe route or US - Asia route for twice the price.

Yes, there are discounts, but these discounted fares are routinely similar to normal US - Europe fares.

If anything, In my opinion short routes at high premiums are the most profitable for airlines.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:06 am

Flybyguy,

Thats in Economy. The real money to be made is in the premium cabins and therefore (liek BA) if you go out full with the premium cabins you can give Y away as its all icing on the cake.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:12 am

*nearly* All the wright amendment routes for WN.

DAL-HOU
DAL-SAT
DAL-AUS
DAL-ABQ
DAL-MSY
DAL-OKC
DAL-TUL


DAL-HOU has about 20 flights a day with nearly every flight (at most times) at high loads.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:16 am

I would have to say that any flights out of TLH are extremely profitable for their airlines. I also think flights to HAV. I have never seen flights to HAV empty. Well, any info on Cuba flights would be cool.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:21 am

I hear the following from MIA:

1. MIA-LHR ( up to 2 daily 772ER on AA, up to 3 daily 744 on BA and one daily 744/A346 on VS)

2. MIA-EZE (2 daily 772 come winter on AA and 1 daily 742/A324 (not sure if its 2 daily) on AR)
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:09 am

Hi All,

I suppose all NWA's flights to Japan are profitable, I saw 15 NWA aircraft in Tokyo at once.

Qantas SYD to LAX is profitable you can get 5-6 B744's in at once

Any Europe to NYC are profitable, BA, AF, VS, Austrian, Swiss, they all operate this route all the time and NYC being a great city that it is, You'll never get tired of the Big apple.

I suppose any intra country flights are profitable, would you want to spend 3 hours driving between london and manchester when you can fly bmi, BA to LHR in 30 mins
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:10 am

For CX it's HKG-TPE and HKG-NRT
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:13 am

I remember decades ago that YYZ-YWG was about the fourth biggest domestic route in Canada.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:28 am

SK's SEA-CPH is usually full.
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:34 am

I saw 5 ns flights from ORD-LHR and 5 ns from JFK-LHR. does eitehr route offer more ns that I missed? I guess JFK-LHR for AA would be more profitable, less flying time, easier to turn the plane around. etc

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:56 pm

Aa777jr,

Today 29 Oct, AA has 5 ns ORD-LHR and 6 JFK-LHR.
On Nov 1, AA has 4 ns ORD-LHR and 6 JFK-LHR

Every day that I looked at, JFK had more.
 
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:21 am

There are only 5 flights from JFK-LHR that I can see today on Oct 29th.

AMERICAN AIRLINES
100 JFK
New York 10/29/2004 06:20 PM LHR
London 10/30/2004 06:20 AM 777
Economy
View Seats N/A 3452 Breakfast
Dinner
6 hr
55 min

AMERICAN AIRLINES
122 JFK
New York 10/29/2004 06:55 PM LHR
London 10/30/2004 06:50 AM 777
Economy
View Seats N/A 3452 Breakfast
Dinner
6 hr
50 min

AMERICAN AIRLINES
104 JFK
New York 10/29/2004 08:00 PM LHR
London 10/30/2004 07:50 AM 777
Economy
View Seats N/A 3452 Breakfast
Dinner
6 hr
50 min

AMERICAN AIRLINES
132 JFK
New York 10/29/2004 09:30 PM LHR
London 10/30/2004 09:20 AM 777
Economy
View Seats N/A 3452 Breakfast
Dinner
6 hr
45 min

AMERICAN AIRLINES
116 JFK
New York 10/29/2004 11:30 PM LHR
London 10/30/2004 11:15 AM 777
Economy
View Seats N/A 3452 Breakfast
Dinner


There are 5 corresponding return flights from LHR. That's what I found on AA.com. All overs where routed through BOS
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:30 am

Have you checked the fares out of Memphis to Stl.. you could fly to lax or Hnl cheaper than a 250 mile flight...its ridiculus. Mem being a nw hub, if i was flying to los angeles, i drive 100 mile to lit then fly back to mem,then on to lax on the same flight i would have flown from mem and saved over 1,000.00
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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:20 am

"The most lucrative Canadian routes in my opinion are Between:
YYZ and YUL
YYZ and YOW
YYC and YEG
YYC and YVR
YVR and YYZ

If any one knows any others in Canada add to this list."


You forgot one of, if not the most lucrative route: YYC and YYZ

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RE: Most Lucrative Routes For Carriers?

Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:36 am

Aa777jr,

How about AA142, departs JFK 8:30am arrive LHR 8:15p every day. Thats six from JFK-LHR and six returning.

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