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Boeing 320 C

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:07 am

I was digging through some old pics and brochures,and came across a braniff boeing 320 c..it looked like a 707, had the white tail and blue fuselage,,,,what was that a 707-320 series or something
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:08 am

Yes, it would be a 707-300 series
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:01 am

Yes, BN indeed had 707-120s, -220s & -320s. A fleet list for you to look over. Regards.
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:08 am

Wow i had no idea braniff had gone through that many aircraft. This pic i have has the wings painted white. Ive never seen a 707 or any airline paint the top of the wings.
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:43 am

The 320 is the intercontinental version of the 707. The 120's were the first and smaller plane. The C is for convert to cargo....a large cargo door can been seen behind the pilot side(left) of the plane about where the forward pax door is.
The 320 B is the Fan powered engines. Fans were larger intake on the engines so more air could be sucked into the engine and therefore better performance was given.
320....larger then 707-120
320B...the above with fans
320C...cargo convertable
BN,PA, CO along with AA and TW had 120's and 320's.
NW only had 707-320's....five C models and the other 31, B models
Western had 320's..not sure if C or B models without a little research.
I am not talking about the Boeing 720. That's a differant thread.

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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:57 am

Here is a little breakdown of 707 models:

http://www.rosboch.net/aviation#BoeingVersionCodes
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:06 am

The 320 B is the Fan powered engines. Fans were larger intake on the engines so more air could be sucked into the engine and therefore better performance was given.
NW's B models were also outfitted with a main-deck cargo doors. The diiference between the NW B/C models were the B's were without a strengthened floor in the forward section and lack of a heavier landing gear. These were used for combi flights only. The B's were never all-cargo.

BN,PA, CO along with AA and TW had 120's and 320's.
BN's 100's were former QF -138B's that wound up here in the states.

Western had 320's..not sure if C or B models without a little research.
Western did have a -139 that was a frozen asset of Cubana that was leased from Boeing for 7 years.


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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:12 am

I was digging through some old pics and brochures,and came across a braniff boeing 320 c..it looked like a 707, had the white tail and blue fuselage,,,,what was that a 707-320 series or something
It could've been a 707-227, N7074 was painted in a powder-blue fuselage.

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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:15 am

The Brannif 707s were largely sold to TMA Lebanon and were still operated for years in the "bright" Brannif livery.
 
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:24 am

actually this is a post card from god knows what year from braniff it is powder blue and on the back says 320-c but i can find a cargo door cut on it. some shade on the windows are open some closed, if i could figure out how to copy and paste on this board i would,but dont know how



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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:24 am

actually this is a post card from god knows what year from braniff it is powder blue and on the back says 320-c but i can find a cargo door cut on it. some shade on the windows are open some closed, if i could figure out how to copy and paste on this board i would,but dont know how



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RE: Boeing 320 C

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:07 am

JetJack74
The B model was never all cargo because they didn't have a cargo door. I ought to know. I was in every darn one of them more then once. The seven oh is my bread and butter subject.....careful there, guy.
Oh yeah, the C model was the combi
Ships 351, 352, 353,354 and 355 were the C models.
Ships 356 thru 386 were all B models.

And the 707 model 220 was really a 120 with different powerplants.

The Qantas birds came in the latter 60's...as did most of BN 320 models.
Braniff took their first 220 model in 59 but dumped it on a transition flight to DAL.
Ship 7071 crashed in Washington state. Ship 7072, also a model 220, was delivered to BN in Dec of 59 from Boeing.
Call me when you want to discuss the 720, I have a little knowledge of that one too,
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:11 am

JetJack74
The B model was never all cargo because they didn't have a cargo door. I ought to know. I was in every darn one of them more then once. The seven oh is my bread and butter subject.....careful there, guy.
Oh yeah, the C model was the combi
Ships 351, 352, 353,354 and 355 were the C models.
Ships 356 thru 386 were all B models.

And the 707 model 220 was really a 120 with different powerplants.

The Qantas birds came in the latter 60's...as did most of BN 320 models.
Braniff took their first 220 model in 59 but dumped it on a transition flight to DAL.
Ship 7071 crashed in Washington state. Ship 7072, also a model 220, was delivered to BN in Dec of 59 from Boeing.
Call me when you want to discuss the 720, I have a little knowledge of that one too,
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I did some research and I would like to let you know, that YOU are wrong and I was right. There were 4 351B's that were constructed with SCD's. They were the only B models with this feature. For your reference, the info can be found in the book by Rene Francillion titled "Boeing 707, Pioneer Jetliners" by MBI publications. It was printed 1999. On page 65, there is a picture of N351US with it's Side Cargo Door open fully, and the words Intercontinental 320B, right behind the Door 2L.
Anyway, back to the aircraft in question. They were aircraft 351, 352, 353 and 354, all delivered in 1963. Like I said, they differed from the C model because of the lack of strengthened floor. They also lacked the heavier landing gear. This is paragraph from the book:
"Four aircraft built Northwest Orient Airlines with the 707-351B(SCD) model designation were the first 707's since 367-80 to be fitted with the side cargo doors (hence the SCD in their designation). Located forward of the wing on the portside of the fuselage for loading and unloading cargo on the main deck the upward-hinged SCD measured 91x134 inches (2.31x3.40 metres). Although the 707-351B(SCD)s were ordered convertible aircraft and could carry freight, passengers, or mixed passenger/cargo loads they lacked the reinforced flooring of the more fully modified 707-351Cs. The first 707-351B(SCD) flew on May 15th, 1963, nearly 3 months after the first 707-321C for Pan American was delivered."
That is the exact quote from the book. These aircraft were out of the fleet by 1973. They are commonly thought to be 351C's, but they are not. I suggest, that next time you feel the need to respond in the manner you did, that you know what you're talking about. I happen to be extremely well-educated on the 707/727/737 aircraft. I almost posted my 707 resume here, but decided that would be over the top. I know what i'm talking, and I would be happy to discuss the 707-020(B), aka 720(B) anytime you like. But be careful. Have a nice day Big thumbs up.



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RE: Boeing 320 C

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:24 am

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RE: Boeing 320 C

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:09 am

I was pointing out the dif between the B and C, nothing more. I agree on the special flooring. JETJACK..Did you omit ship 355? That was a C model (in Boeing terms) too. A big ole cargo door..... The first five 707's was Donald Nyrops anger at Donald Douglas and DC8 not able to do SEA-Tokyo as promised to NW. After the first five 707's showed up, there was a pause until the balance of 31 started to arrive. All of NW 707's were 320 models with fans...5 C's and 31 B's in BOEING terms. That's what the Boeing production books and 707 reference books I have all show.
NW unloaded their five DC8's in a heartbeat after the first 707-320c's arrived.
They flat xcled the sixth one. Thx for your info...It is appreciated.
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:55 am

JETJACK..Did you omit ship 355? That was a C model (in Boeing terms) too.
Ship 355 was a C-model, yes. 355-379 were all 707-351Cs. 351-354 were rarely used for frieght duties once the Cs came into the fleet. Most of those aircraft were on lease during there short lives with Northwest. Most of them were sold off by 1973

All of NW 707's were 320 models with fans...5 C's and 31 B's in BOEING terms.
Yes, NW never had any of the straight-pipe, water wagons. They were too underpowered and uneconomical. Which is mostly the reason that most airlines disposed of them by the close of the decade or re-engined them. TWA held on to the standard 331's along with the B/Cs as well, the only original operator to do so throughout the type's career. The 100's were mostly re-engined while the 320's were not. The DC8-30's that NW had the same engines as the the standard 320's had, the JT4A which were a disaster for PW. It was the JT3D that sold later orders of Boeing 707's.
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RE: Boeing 320 C

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:03 pm

Regarding those special NW aircraft with cargo doors - I read in George Cleary's book on the 707 that sometimes NW flew these birds with pax on the starboard side of the forward cabin, separated by the SCD and cargo by a wall. Interesting concept. A picture I have shows the wall in place.
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