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NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:51 am

When thinking about this, is NW the only airline to fly classic jumbos across the Pacific? And is NW the only airline to fly DC-10's across the Pacific? I just thought about if for a second an all I know is the NRT-LAX run and the NRT-HNL run (well this route is also flew by JO and JL on classics) Since the YVR route got replaced by the -400, I can't really think of any other airline that flies Trans-pacific flights on a classic jumbo. Is their any schedule change to a -400? Even if there is, I don't think an A332 would do right? Because there is higher demand in this competitive route. So if the route is competitive and many airlines introduce new high-tech jumbos, is there any specific tactic for NW surviving on this route?

Thanks for the input
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:02 am

LAX-NRT-LAX was flown by the 744 for NW while they had all but 2 742s they were using for the SEA-NRT-SEA run. When they brought them back into service, the route went back to the 742.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:11 am

On Monday SEA-NRT goes A332, so there will be no more Classic 747s on regular service across the Pacific.

SEA, PDX and SFO will be A332, while LAX will be 744.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:05 am

This topic comes up over and over again. There will still be a few 742's and DC-10's on Trans-Pac routes. LAX-NRT will still be a 742 since there are not enough 744's to cover all the routes. While NW may not have all the bells and whistles of some of the Asian carriers, they serve their niche, an constantly fill their aircraft. Please don't bring up aircraft age, since that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.


NW Trans-Pac Routes in Nov.

DTW-NRT 744
DTW-NRT 744
DTW-KIX 744
DTW-NGO 744
MSP-NRT 744
JFK-NRT 744
HNL-NRT 744
NRT-BKK 744
NRT-MNL 744
NRT-PVG 744
NRT-HKG 744
KIX-TPE 744
NGO-MNL 744

LAX-NRT 742
NRT-GUM 742
NRT-SPN 742

HNL-NRT D10
HNL-KIX D10

SEA-NRT 332
PDX-NRT 332
SFO-NRT 332
NRT-ICN 332
NRT-BKK 332
NRT-PEK 332
NRT-SIN 332

NRT-CAN 757
NRT-NGO 757
NRT-PUS 757
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:15 am

Is there a reason to assigning the classic to the LAX route? (high density, etc?) I mean I don't understand why the 744 is used on the MNL route but not the LAX route???? Or is it just me who thinks this is odd?

Also I heard that NW acquired two new 744 recently (at least in the last 2 years) Pretty soon, we might see the retirement of the Classic Jumbo fleet? Some have already flown nearly 30 years. Or converted to Cargo.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:47 am

Yes, NW acquired 2 new 744's in 2002. The 742's will be gone from passenger service when there are enough suitable aircraft to replace them. As for right now, this isn't possible. The 742's also do some charter work. NW's remaining pax 742's (there were 7 in service, now will probably drop to 6 when SEA-NRT becomes an A330 in a few days) are all relatively new, for the classics. They are from the 80's for the most part. The oldest classics have been put in cargo service, retired, or put in storage in the desert.

The 742's and DC-10's give NW the ability to match capacity with demand. Should they be awarded new slots to Asia or whatnot, NW can redeploy the classics if needed or have the parked in the desert. Others don't necessarily have this flexibility.

NRT-LAX was a 744, but there are not enough 744's to go around right now, primarily due to the conversion of World Business Class and repainting. It all has to do with aircraft routing and the time of day. Flights to places like MNL, originate in the US, stop in NRT, then continue onward beyond NRT. There are any 744's available at the time of the day to go to LAX. My only question is why is the one NRT-HNL a 744 and not swaping that with the LAX flight.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:54 am

A single 744 cannot do NRT-LAX round-trip in 24 hours. Obviously NW has just one spare 744 and they happen to use it on NRT-HNL.

It depends on how one interprets 'transpac' but HNL-Japan/Korea doesn't constitute transpac because it isn't a total crossing. Thus there are no DC-10 on transpac flights.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:26 pm

LAX-NRT will be the only -200 transpac as of Nov 1st when SEA-NRT becomes an A330. When flt 8 arrives back in SEA on Nov 2nd, the aircraft is scheduled to go straight to Marana for parking (acft 6631 - which is slated to be converted to a freighter in the not-too-distant future along with 6632.) They need two aircraft for any transpacific rotations and they are planning on keeping one acft in SEA as a spare for the short term. There will be a total of six remaining for now. They would love to get the -200 off LAX-NRT, but they don't have enough -400 capacity to do that this winter due DTW-NRT remaining twice daily. Incidentally, the aircraft that went tech on arrival into LAX on the 27th - 6638 - will be ferried to ORD for an engine change on Oct 30th. Don't know what the plans are for this acft after the engine change.

They are looking at more -400s - they have looked at parked United ones sitting at Victorville, which include two acft that were originally built for NWA but never delivered. I am sure Boeing would offer them very attractive deals on new builds too. They certainly need them for LAX-NRT plus any return to nonstops to China out of DTW.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:54 am

Is this route losing its initial competition?

I also heard that TG dropped it. Since SQ started its non-stop service (they have more capacity for pax out of NRT) but boy isn't it queer. Does Malaysia still fly this route?
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pac

Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:05 am

Doesn't JAL still fly classics (743) to YVR?
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:55 am

No JAL's NRT-YVR is now a B 747-400.

Does NW fly its B 747-200s into Europe? What about HKG? Will it be a 400 as well? Does anyone have the entire list of destinations the 200 flies to in November?
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:47 am

Hey, United Airlines, please read what I posted above in post #3
Those the only 742 routes left.
NRT-HKG is a 744

The 742 has not been in scheduled servive to Europe in a few years. It has occasionally shown up as operational spare, example last spring it subbed in on one of the DTW-AMS routes. Europe is all A330/DC-10 only.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:23 am

Don't JAL still operate clasics into HNL or have these services now been replaced with 744s?
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:46 pm

ManchesterMan

If I did not point it out clearly, I apologize. They fly the JO 742's to HNL. So you can see many classics on that route.

NRT-YVR is now a 744 so JL has the complete network of the Americas flown by 744's. It just changed on Oct 1. I don't think they will downgrade the service ever to a classic jumbo. Which is sad for spotters and for me but for me (who has flown that route 9times on a classic, I just hate it!!!!) As long as the classics are away from the planes that I fly, its all good.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:44 pm

JAL still flies the classics into Australia however. So there are some long haul routes left.

Wonder if HKG will ever recieve a B 742 again. HKG was always being served by a mixture of 200 and 400. Sometimes the DC 10

Heard that NW had plans to fly Hong Kong- Detroit nonstop a few years back. What happened to that plan? Will this become a reality one day?
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:34 pm

Heard that NW had plans to fly Hong Kong- Detroit nonstop a few years back. What happened to that plan? Will this become a reality one day?

We were planning on serving DTW-HKG and DTW-ICN back before 9/11, but due to economic effects from that, the plans were shelved. I doubt we will serve HKG n/s now that we're in the SkyTeam. Non-stops to ICN are growing increasingly likely, with the slots in NRT drying up. The new airport in Nagoya is also being looked at for additional service fro alternate markets once in opens in Febuary
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:47 pm

I just have a feeling that many of JL's classics are going to NRT. If NW inagurates the NRT routes to 744, they should still have a lot of KIX routes left on the classics. The longest route that I ever took on a KIX flight classic was a few years back MSP-KIX on NW. The cabin smelled horrible I wanted to jump off the plane!!!

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:01 pm

DTW-ICN can be done by the highest gross-weight 742s but I doubt that's the way NW wants to take.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pac

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:00 am

In reply to above, Yes NWA did recently use the DC-10 on Trans-Pacific flights SFO-NRT and PDX-NRT, as recently as 1 or 2 months ago. They will certainly go down as the last regularly scheduled Trans-Pacific DC-10 routings, so yes, it and the 742 are both symbols of NWA's trademark use of insanely old designs, as if to prove to the world how useful old planes can be in the year 2004.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:08 am

In reply to above: NWA has always been financially responsible and conservative, as a business major I have come to admire and appreciate their strategy. They aren't trying to prove anything to anyone. Just doing what is best for the bottom line. DC10's and 747-200's are not "insanely old".
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:09 am

Jafa, how do you read it? I was just curious because NWA has many A330-200's on order on some of their routes like NRT-SEA was replaced by that aircraft from the 742. That was quite a downsizing. Is this for "profit maximization?"
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pac

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:02 am

An A332 can probably make 75-80% of the revenue that a 742 can. Meanwhile, it costs around half as much to fly (in terms of fuel + mx). So yes, it is probably more profitable.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:42 am

But it will probably piss off some elite members when upgrades on this flight become impossible to get.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:07 am

I think the fact that PDX has been started has something to do with it. These cities are relatively close together and can pull traffic from the surrounding NW area. Both Horizon and Alaska feed traffic at PDX and SEA.
NW never originally planned to use A330 on tranpac routes. However with current economics, economic savings of the new aircraft , opening of PDX, and conversion of the origianl A330-300 order it makes sense at this time.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:59 pm


I think its a disgrace that NW are still flying classics on competitive routes.

Take a look at UA to SYD versus the QF product. Who wants to spend 15 hours of their life in a squashed tin can with peeling interiors, exteriors and seats?

The more competition on any pacific route the better. I think US carriers lack glamour, comfort, entertainment in their product. Airlines are no longer about flying from A to B. It's about getting their in style, being entertained, feeling welcome and of course getting there in time. NW knows how to operate a US airline, but unfortunately their international product is a little grim.

NW 747 classic = fat lady in a 70's frock. Sure she's friendly, but would you want to spend time with her? Say a 12 hour flight  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:01 pm

Jafa, Wait!!! Somethings wrong.

Didn't NW order the 332 with the intention of using them on Trans-Pacific flights? If not, they could have kept on ordering the 333 instead. And some parts of this don't make sense. Like the A330 did the run from YVR-NRT back in the summer. I know the trade winds are strong right now but if they tried in the summer can SEA or PDX be served to NRT with an A330? Or are the ones they have short range?
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:04 pm

Didn't NW order the 332 with the intention of using them on Trans-Pacific flights? If not, they could have kept on ordering the 333 instead
The original order was for 24 A330-300's originally and then was the order was modified to convert 10 aircraft from the order to the 200-series in 2/03. The 200 is the long-range version.

NW knows how to operate a US airline, but unfortunately their international product is a little grim.
No argument there. With the exception of the A330, the intenational service is substandard as compared to European and Asian carriers. But NW doesn't recieve gov't subsidies as some foreign carriers do. But for our prices and reliabilty, we do give you more for less.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:36 pm

What is the attractiveness of NW then? For instance in Japan, NW is regarded as a cheap way of getting to destinations. I know that some pax rather take NW NRT-SEA-YVR with the short run being done on a Horizon. Didn't they start modifying any of the cabins of the 744 yet? Well if they get one from store, they can just get one IFE equipped to make it easier.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:17 pm

Cragley,

As an aviation enthusiast, I hope the classics stay as long as they can. The old interior reminds me of my younger days of travelling.

UA's B 747-400s are not that old. The last one was delivered in 8/2000. Many of them are newer than Qantas's B 747-400s. Also United has a economy plus section while Qantas doesn't on its B 747-400s.

But again Qantas has the B 747-400ER and they have PTVs on every single seat. Also new first and business class seats.

When UA gets out of chapter 11, I am sure they will update their product. New first/business class seats, private TVs on every single seat, new interior, AVOD etc etc..... if they have the $.

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:53 pm

Northwest...well, I do have lots of stories that I can say about them, but...

As for flying out of Narita and to the states or Canada, I find that flying Air Canada blows Northwest out of the water when it comes to prices. Because I have a spouse visa for Japan, I can purchase and fly on one way tickets trans-pacific to Japan and back, and in January of this year I got a one way SEA-YVR-NRT (Air Canada Jazz Dash 8-300/Air Canada 767-300) for about $500 USD on a two day advance purchase.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:47 pm

United Airline, when is UA ever going to get out of chpt 11?

I have yet to see the new color schemes that they have. Cessna 172RG, that's incredible!! Why is AC that cheap right now? Are they just selling all the tickets that they can? When I saw the KIX-YVR flights which they have a monopoly, it was ridiculously expensive!!!
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:26 pm

1. All of the 742s received new interiors over the past few years, and are in as good a condition as the 744 fleet in this regard.

2. Asian carriers are HIGHLY overrated when it comes to their Business Class offerings. It really is a myth that Asian carriers offer a Business Class that is far and away superior to the offerings of US carriers - while the Asian carriers excel at service/IFE, IME, US carriers do a much better job in terms of seat pitch/design and catering. Granted I'm 6'4", but I'd take NW's 60" pitch WBC seat over an ANA 50" pitch seat any day of the week.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:21 pm

Well I don't mind flying NW's Boeing 747-200s across the ocean, but if NW will keep them for a while and there are only six of them in the fleet, will it be a very expensive deal to at least change the WBC up to the new seats and update the interior a bit? That will keep the WBC passengers happened and no need to worry that they are stuck on the old WBC seats.

About Asian carriers being overrated, I don't agree... yes certain airlines, especially the second tier Asian airlines, offered a worst seat than UA and NW current J product. yes, the NH's 777s are pretty annoying -- but NH is going to use the New club ANA on the LAX routes soon, and with more 773ERs coming on line, I am sure IAD and SFO will be replaced with the new seats soon. But even on BR, CI, KE, and OZ, all airlines, except OZ, have specific plans to replace their premium cabins soon. KE will have the lie flat seats in J, and CI has expanded the legroom of its J on Airbus A340s to 60" (and the two new Boeing 747-400s coming in 2005 will also come with the new Dynasty Supreme Class). BR will expand its Premium Laurel class offerings too as the new Boeing 777LRs arriving next year. NW will no longer really enjoy a distinctive advantage. Also service wise, I like NWA's new WBC and meals, but NW F/As really have this bad disappearance act in between meals, and it will never offer the same personal service and high quality meals as other Asian airlines. Flying Asian airlines (and some European airlines to some extent) is a very different experience and Asian F/As are just more attentive and care more about passengers. The cultural and attitude difference is the great... we have lots of discussions here about different between Asian and US F/As -- maybe it is the pay scale, the union, or the general societal attitude towards F/As as a career (in Asia, F/As are more admirable job...) or various reasons...

Anyway I feel like I am slightly off topic -- but anyway, NWA fleet plan looks good but I guess all of us will just appreciate maybe a little bit of update on the interior and installing the new WBC seats on the 742s, if they will be out for a while. If the 742s remain on the holiday routes, like HNL and GUM/SPN, I will understand why NWA does not want to waste money on changing the WBC, but if 742s are still seen on the NRT-LAX route, they should at least do something. LAX route is not low yield and NWA has a loyal Japanese following... and there are lots of competitions...

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:33 pm

>Wonder if HKG will ever recieve a B 742 again. HKG was always being served by a mixture of 200 and 400.<

If you are talking about NW, NW 1/2 hops to HKG part of the time (MNL and BKK too), so there should still be 742s in HKG for NW.

>An A332 can probably make 75-80% of the revenue that a 742 can. Meanwhile, it costs around half as much to fly (in terms of fuel + mx). So yes, it is probably more profitable.<

Actually, the 742 carries more cargo and the A332 only has about 60% of the seats of a 742, so it probably only takes in 50-65% of the revenue of the 742. That most likely does not offset MX and fuel, but it is harder to fill a 742 (though not from LAX) so certain routes are better suited to the smaller plane.

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Um, considering that the 742 flies long range at .05 Mach faster than the A333, I would think that you would consider the 742 more of a classic Ferrari Daytona and the A333 more like a new Toyota Celica GTS, smaller and newer, but still not as fast. And any 747 (even one from Tower Air) should never be compared to a pinto

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:23 pm

SQ and CX's First and Business Class are far superior than UA's and NW's.

When will UA get out of Chapter 11? Maybe early next year?
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:56 pm

"SQ and CX's First and Business Class are far superior than UA's and NW's. "

There's no question that SQ and CX's FIRST class cabins are better than those of United's (NW doesn't offer a longhaul F cabin). However, NW's new WBC offers more pitch, more recline, and arguably better catering than either SQ's or CX's J. Heck, many of the CX-can-do-no-wrong folks on FlyerTalk have come to criticize CX's J cabin, and some even prefer US carrier Continental (!) to Cathay on the NYC-HKG run.

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:37 am

LAX is stuck with a 742 because there just aren't enough planes. The only routes with a 742 right now are NRT-LAX/SPN/GUM. THe beach markets are the high density whales with no need for high yileding business traffic. UNfortunately LAX gets to be the sacrificial route... which is too bad. I'm sure NWA would love to get a 744 back to LAX ASAP. But their hands are tied. When the 10 finally gets replaced with a 330 to SIN the entire Pacific route structure will be standardized with the new WBC (except for NRT-LAX/HNL/GUM/SPN as well as KIX-HNL).


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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:44 am

NW's food is better SQ and CX's???? You serious?

Umm...... what do you get on NW's WBC? Haven't been on it so I can't tell.
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:59 am

>LAX is stuck with a 742 because there just aren't enough planes. The only routes with a 742 right now are NRT-LAX/SPN/GUM. THe beach markets are the high density whales with no need for high yileding business traffic. UNfortunately LAX gets to be the sacrificial route... which is too bad. I'm sure NWA would love to get a 744 back to LAX ASAP. But their hands are tied. When the 10 finally gets replaced with a 330 to SIN the entire Pacific route structure will be standardized with the new WBC (except for NRT-LAX/HNL/GUM/SPN as well as KIX-HNL).<

Hey, better a 742 than a DC-10-30 or an A330 (not that they are not nice, they are just not the queen). I am sure that the first thing NW would do with any 744 they bought used from UA or any other PW carrier would be putting it on NW1/2. The reason they use the 742 now is because of its size, uplift and seat-mile advantages over flying an A330. 67 in WBC, 286 in Y (353 total) on the 742 vs. 32 and 211 for 243 on the A332, plus the fact that NW flies a lot of cargo out of LAX. Considering you would have to fly 2 A332s a day to do the job of 1 742, NW is smart to keep the bird on and only gets bitten when they have an MX problem (which is not common). They need the big number of J seats offered on the 742 for the business traffic and the massive Y cabin for all the tour groups consolidators, along with loyal NW 1 off flyers that fill that plane every day. A side note, they already swapped the DC-9-30 for an A319 LAX-LAS because it was so full, and they would have an A320 or 757 if they could rotate the equipment in, see why they prefer the 747? We did have the 744 for a while when they downsized that operation to just 2 planes (for SEA-NRT), but as soon as demand returned, we got the 742 back.
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pac

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:38 am

Why is it NW keeps a 747-200 on LAX-NRT and has a 747-400 on HNL-NRT?? It seems like the 744 would offer a more uniform product (wbc) from the west coast. It is my understanding that the HNL-NRT market is more leisure, why then not a beach config a/c ??

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:59 am

It only takes 1 744 to do NRT-HNL and would take 2 to do the LAX flights. They can use the HNL 744 as an "operational" spare in case things go wrong throughout the afternoon/evening. For example, lets say the 744 that arrives from a US city goes mx upon arrival. They can still keep schedule integrity by using all the other 744s that have arrived while working on the HNL bird. The HNL flights are the last ones to depart for the night. Even if it left late, it could make it to HNL and back intime to catch up the next days ontime departures. Make sense?

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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:04 am

Hey, NWA first class on the 330 is truely world class -- no question at all there -- right up there with Singapore, Japan -- and, don't forget, Northwest Orient is the airline that opened the world to the east of the US
 
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:10 pm

So actually does this LAX run manage to get filled? Well if not, I think NW would take another aircraft from the desert and start flying it. I mean the 742's are great and this is probably the longest route on the classic after the JL 12/11 was dropped from NRT-YVR-MEX run. Well, it might only continue for a few more years.

Oh and isn't NW spending a lot of money on the NRT maintenance? They need to handle so many 742, 744, A330, and 757. Wouldn't dropping the small number of classics lead to profit maximization?
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RE: NW, The Airline Flying Classic Jumbo Trans-pacific

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:18 pm

Great explanation AZJ.

>Hey, NWA first class on the 330 is truely world class -- no question at all there -- right up there with Singapore, Japan -- and, don't forget, Northwest Orient is the airline that opened the world to the east of the US<

NWA does not fly a F class, rather a Biz/First concept.

>So actually does this LAX run manage to get filled? Well if not, I think NW would take another aircraft from the desert and start flying it. I mean the 742's are great and this is probably the longest route on the classic after the JL 12/11 was dropped from NRT-YVR-MEX run. Well, it might only continue for a few more years. <

That LAX plane is always full. You should see the line they form to board it.

>Oh and isn't NW spending a lot of money on the NRT maintenance? They need to handle so many 742, 744, A330, and 757. Wouldn't dropping the small number of classics lead to profit maximization?<

As far as I know, NRT is not a heavy MX base for NW, rather just set up for line MX. Also, the profit the 742 makes on the routes it flies would more than make up for any additional MX training needed.
Do the NW 742s have the 744 engine swap like the Government VC-25 and some AI (I think) classics? If not, why not?
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