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Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Thu Mar 09, 2000 5:33 am

An unoffficial report out of Malaysia reports that Malaysia is now backing out of an all-Airbus order and now likely to order more 777s. Airbus is still likely to get an order for 30-40 Airbus A-320 Series aircraft, but Boeing is now able to make a deal with the 737NG since MAS is now ready to order the new 777-200LR and 777-300ER. A widebody order for 20-30 aircraft is expected.
 
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Malaysian Will Order 777X's

Thu Mar 09, 2000 6:49 am

Aviation Week and Space Technology quotes Malaysian officials talking about the 772LR's & 773ER's they will order. Take a look if you can. It's interesting.
 
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RE: Malaysian Will Order 777X's

Thu Mar 09, 2000 7:14 am

I believe that the order will be for 40 A320-200 and 20 777-200LR and 777-300ER. Would be interesting to see what Boeing and GE do to try and get hte 737NG on board.
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RE: Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Fri Mar 10, 2000 9:57 am

I too agree that Malaysia might go for A320-200s and 777-2H6LR/3H6ERs.
MAS also said that they were interested in any larger version of the 747-400 thus confirming my believe that the wide body fleet will be Boeings.
 
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RE: Malaysian Will Order 777X's

Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:18 pm

Hi There

Just curious, ER vs LR, whats the difference??

Regards

Greg
 
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Re : Night Hawk

Sat Mar 11, 2000 9:02 am

The 777-200ER is fomerly known as 777-200IGW while the 777-200LR is the official designation of the 777-200X.
 
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RE: Re : Night Hawk

Sat Mar 11, 2000 11:17 am

Night Hawk, I understand your frustration. Boeing clearly needs help in the 'ol designation department.
 
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RE: Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Sat Mar 11, 2000 10:55 pm

Good! I'm glad their backing out of the A340 order. As a VERY frequent business traveler, I hate flying on the A340. The ventalation on those planes is terrible (but I'm sure it's to help w/ fuel economy). I much prefer the 777. It seems Boeing can't build them fast enough.

There must be other problems w/ the A340... Does anyone know what it is?

Remember last year Singapore Airlines decided to dump all their A340's for 777s including A340's that hadn't even been delivered yet.... Boeing agreed to take them & resell them for Singapore Air as part of the deal. Airbus, acting immature as usual, said that they would not provide services to the aircraft re-sold by Boeing... What's up w/ that? Is it like a child crying over spilt milk?
 
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RE: Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Sun Mar 12, 2000 1:42 am

This story is now being carried by Reuters, confirming MAS's intention to buy 40 320s and 20 777Xs. As I suspected, GE offered additional investements in its Malaysian operations as an enticement for the order. More and more I'm beginning to see the possibilities with this exclusive arrangement. Boeing gets a very powerful and focused sales partner that has operations in every market they are targeting for the 777X. With 50-100 launch orders in hand, GE quickly returns to a No. 1 position in the 777 engine market.

Is AA next? Check the Yahoo PR story from AA on the recent polar flight to Hong Kong. This trip is now complete and was apparently a complete success. The return flight from HK to DFW set a direct route record of 13 1/2 hrs. They laud both the aircraft and the RR Trents. Now the question becomes one of pure economics. Take the 345 just because you love RR, or take the 777 with GE. I don't know the answer for sure, but it must be fairly easy to perform the side by side analysis.
 
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Re: Freaktraveller

Sun Mar 12, 2000 4:17 am

VERY..... whow, good you tell anyone.
 
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Re: Freaktraveller

Tue Mar 14, 2000 1:50 am

There are several reasons why SIA has choosen the 777-200ER over the A340-300. Cabin comfort was one of the problems with the A340. When compared to its two stablemates the 747-400 and 777-200 the A340 couldn't compare in terms of height in cabin, lighting and many other small things. Another reason that the A340 is leaving is its speed. Business passengers like yourself like to get there as fast as possible. On flights to Europe, SIA's 747-400s and 777-200ERs arrive 45-1hr earlier than the A340s. Cruise speed, time to altitude and other deficiancies in the A340 program is why they are being disposed of in favor of more 777-200ERs.
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RE: Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Tue Mar 14, 2000 4:58 am

Now CX747 has explained that about SQ's A340s - I can see why MAS has gone / will go ahead with the 77X order. MAS has always been very pleased with their 777s - the aircraft has literally 'made' it for the airline when a couple of years the airline was at 'make or break' stage with the economic crisis. The 777 has allowed MAS to increase frequencies on virtually ALL its long-haul point-to-point routes, with the 747 workhorse plying the well-trodden London, Frankfurt, Melbourne, Sydney and Los Angeles routes.

As SIA is MAS' main competitor - it would seem appropriate for MAS to go with the Boeing order - as MAS MUST provide as fast a service via Kuala Lumpur as SIA can at Changi to remain competitive.

My previous posting about the A32X order has almost proven to be correct. I was however unsure about the 77X/A34X order - but with GE setting up shop at Kuala Lumpur International Airport - it all falls into place. Question is what is to happen to MAS' Airbus A330 fleet?

Rumour has it that MAS wants to beat SIA to launch the A3XX too - 'kudos' the airline is hungry for...my tips from friends working at HQ tend to be rather good - I have to say - so watch this space!
 
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RE: Malaysia Backing Out Of Airbus Order

Tue Mar 14, 2000 5:13 am

The A 340 is equal comfortable to the 777. Singapore chose the 777 because they got the 777 at a good price. No surveys have ever proved that the A 340 is actually preferred by passengers but it is proven that business class passengers prefer a 2-2-2 to a 2-3-2 arrangement.

Thanks

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