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See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:44 pm

Here is a contrail shot I took last week. I want to say it is Northwest but there are several things that dont look right. First of all, this plane was travelling from basically north/northeast to west/southwest across Green Bay, Wisconsin. Many flights that go from the states to Europe would use this type of route.

I can see what looks like a 747 hump but its only a twin-engine??? It looks like Northwest new colors, but MSP is to the west and a little north and MEM is south - only 1 flight goes to MEM and that's a tri-jet which this is not.

I'm wondering if any of the european spotters on here could recognize this color scheme as one of yours....I think that if a flight was going to say LAX, LAS, PHX, or anywhere in the west from Europe it may take this route.

I'm really curious what this could be.



Here is a link to a bigger version if that might help, when displaying pics in the forum they get downsized:

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:51 pm

Looks more like Swiss A332 - just from the look without getting too much into routing, which I'm not familiar with
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:52 pm

i did a close up of the plane and it is northwest, not an airbus and no winglest so it may be a 767 200 or a 757 300 good luck with it

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:55 pm

To me, it looks like a Northwest A320 in the new colors. The wings give it away for me.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:58 pm

It's an looks like an A320 . . . I'm going to second what HA_DC9 said, it looks like a NW (new colors) A320.

You can see the chubby silverish fuselage, red tail, and the shape of the wings very clearly.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:58 pm

Well NWA does not have any 767. And Swiss has a big white cross on the tail.....I dont see a cross. Also the tail is not full red, there is a white strip at the top and bottom. And there are only 2 wing flap canoes under the wing: an A330 seems to have 3. Here is a Swiss:


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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:59 pm

First off,

NW doesn't operate ANY 767 series of a/c. To me I agree that it does look like a Swiss A330. But again the a/c looks a bit too small to be a 330. To me the best bet would be a 767 due to the length of the a/c. I too did a close up of the a/c and the shape of the nose, the 2 engines, red tale, and blueish belly led me to think that it was a Swiss330.


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And it looks too wide to be a 757 and NW's body would be a bit more shiny. Sticking to my bet of a Swiss 330 probably bound for ATL.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:03 pm

The "hump" is just a trick of the light. The light's coming from in front of the nose and illuminating that area of the plane more strongly than the rear.

It's not an A330, it's an A320. Look at the wings again - if you don't see the difference, you need glasses. Look at the large version of the image at the link in the original post and blow it up if necessary. Compare it with the A330 image posted here. There is an obvious, obvious difference.

When blown up and with some adjustments to shadows/contrast, you can clearly see the winglets also (they're very small, as they are on the real plane, but they're there in the image). There's nothing ruling this out as an A320 and the wings give it away.

I'm going with a Northwest A320. Can't speak of its flight path, but you can't judge anything by a plane's flight path. Going from NY to Japan once we flew over Maine - explain that!

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:05 pm

At the beginning of the post I said it was shot last week. The Swiss livery pictured above is no longer operated.

Here's a NWA 757 shot:


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See the two wing flap canoes outboard of the engine there.... But now where could this 757 (assume it is) be going??? What Canadian markets does NWA operate them? Or I should say what city pairs (Canadian + USA)?
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:06 pm

Going from NY to Japan once we flew over Maine - explain that!

I'm going to guess that that was the easiest way for the a/c to get a more northern route while still fitting your original route due to winds?

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:13 pm

Either a LX or NW A330.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:21 pm

Now that I think of it,

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/route/canada.shtml

No 757, at least I don't think. It's too fat and too short to be a 757. Has to be a NW A320. I shall stand corrected about my 330 comment.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:23 pm

Here's the closest angle of a NWA A320 I could find in the database to what's being posted here (just reversed)... obviously from a much closer distance:


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Note the position and number of wing canoes, the distance from the wings to the nose and tail, the sweep of the wings, and any other specific features you can pick out (rather than just the "general shape" of the plane).

I'm going to guess that that was the easiest way for the a/c to get a more northern route while still fitting your original route due to winds?

Yes, vectoring around some pretty major thunderstorms.

Someone want to take a look at NWA's A320 routes and see where this one could have been flying? I'm 100% convinced that's what kind of plane this is.
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See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:46 pm

I looked up flights from YUL and YYZ to MSP and there is nothing that would arrive between 5:15pm and 5:45pm. One flight at 4:30 is a D93.

The picture was taken at 16:36 and MSP is in the same time zone. straight line distance is about 270 miles from the spot of this photo to MSP.

I should also mention that it is entirely possible that this plane was indeed headed for MSP. I was standing at a beach on Green Bay but when i look it up on a map, the shoreline at that spot was in a slightly different angle and i may have sort of lost my bearings....direction wise. But still, I can't find a city from which a NWA Airbus would come from at that hour of the day.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:49 pm

Its a Northwest narrow body Airbus. Most likely a 319. Take a look at the position of the flap hinge fairings on this one.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:17 pm

Looks like a NW in the new colours and a narrow body Airbus
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:34 pm

Looks like a NW A320, the wing to empennage distance is too great to be a 319.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:10 pm

To me, it looks like an Air Canada Airbus A320

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:26 pm

Too much red on the tail to be AC.

I'd sat a NW machine,either 319 or 320.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:32 pm

If you zoom inn on the tail, you can see its bright red, and it looks like the red leaf of AC.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:09 pm

True AMS,but AC's red Mapleleaf is surrounded by dark green. I'm looking out over LHR's T3 ramp at an AC 763 and 333. There is too much red in that picture for it to be AC.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:18 pm

Bruce,

I don't have my high altitudes handy, but I can tell you...

Green Bay VOR (high altitude) is a major intersection in the Northern US. There seven different J-Routes into Green Bay. They come from Duluth, Minneapolis, Brainerd, SSteMarie, Traverse City, Milwaukee (Badger--BAE VOR)and Flint. SSte Marie and Duluth eventually feed to trans-atlantic and trans-pacific routes respectively.

Based on the routing you described, my guess is that the aircraft is enroute to ORD from somewhere in Europe. Looks to me like an A330--does ORD get any of those?

The Stevens Point VOR (west of GRB) is also the beginning of major jet routes that feed to the southwest.

You may want to subscribe to a flight tracker.

BTW, I was born in GRB and lived in Allouez as a kid. Go Packers!!

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:27 pm

From the first shot, I had the feeling it was NW 320; I might be wrong but I definitely see an Airbus A320.


 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:05 pm


I would say a NWA A320.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:51 pm

The Fed ex A310s dont have winglets..they are white on the bottom but that sun would really have to be casting a shado to turn that tail to almost red from purple... its def wider than a 757
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:00 am

I think that almost everyone agrees with NWA, and that it is either a 319 or 320.

I am leaning towards the 319 for 3 reasons:

One, due to the distance and lighting, the fuse looks thinner than it actually is so the fuse length to width ratio is misleading.

Two, the forward wing root fairing really stands out and the distance to the nose appears to be closer to the A319 than the A320.

Three, the distance of the wing to empennage actually looks closer to the A319 than the A320 (this shows up if you compare the two on plans scale). I think that the angle and distance of the photo, the fact that the trailing edge wing root is not visible, and my Point 1 above, visually exaggerates the wing to tail distance in relation to the fuse width.

Of course, it only looks that way to me.  Smile
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:59 am


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If you zoom in the Other picture, youll see a hint of red int the winglet. Its a Northwest 333/332



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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:03 am

It's not an A330, it only has 3 flap-track fairings. The A330 has 4. It looks like an A319 or A320 to me.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:08 am

I will go for a NW A332 too; it's just an impression but it looks more grey than white to me. that's the reson it's not a Swiss plane for me.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:11 am

Either way its a NW A319/320, it doesnt have to come from Canada, routes from areas like PVD-MSP go over and near the Green Bay Area, so it could have very well come from somewhere in New England.
 
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:14 am

I'm absolutely positive that it is a NW A320
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:57 am

To me it is a JAL  Smile

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:05 am

To settle the argument, I blew it up 600%, while heavily pixilated due to the poor quality of the original (Sorry Bruce, it was a little grainy), I could clearly see the half compass logo on the tail, also after looking at it closely, I have concluded that its a Airbus A320 most likely coming from the New England area.  Smile
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:28 am

i place my bets on NWA A320/319..
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:46 am

I still cant find any routes that use a narrow Airbus. According to flytecomm there are NO northwest arrivals into MSP during the 5pm hour that come from the northeast US except Newark, flight 1085, but its listed as a D93.

If it was going to MSP at that time it would have had to arrive during the 5pm hour.

Does NWA operate routess to New England from anywhere other than MSP/MEM/DTW.....like somewhere in the west or southwest?

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:07 am

At first I thought it was a 767 but now when you look really hard you can see the Swiss tail so I'm now saying Swiss A330.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:52 am

It is an A320 operated by NW
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:23 am

How about NW 511, operated by an A320

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It's certainly feasible based on the time and routing. The great circle route isn't too far south of GRB (see http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=lga-msp%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=)
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:31 am

I think that it is a NW 319 or 320. Please, correct me if I am wrong but I would say that Swiss A330s are painted in darker colors on its fuselage bottoms. Aren't they?
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:52 am

As everyone has said, I believe that it is a Northwest Airbus A320.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:45 am

Some amazing answers  Laugh out loud
Anyway, it's a NWA A320.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:11 am

Good that this thread has come top an end and nearly all of us (including me), it's an NWA 319 or 320. That was also my first impression when I this pic.
Thanks Bruce for this thread.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:44 am

Go back to spotting school, its a NW A320 in new colours....

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:35 am

Did anyone think just for a moment it could be a NW charter flight they don't always run charters on the weekend
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:00 am

My best guess would be a NW 320
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:05 am

Hi there,

it's definitely not Swiss, nor 777/767 (<- Who said that?!), nor widebody Airbus (i.e. A330, too little flap-track fairings, completely different shape/size of wings, completely different fuselage/wings proportions). It is A320 (not A319, length-to-wingspan ratio not that small).

I'm not an expert in routes, so coordinates/heading didn't help me. But I'm quite sure that A320 over US would definitely be a local flight, so it must be NWA.

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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:51 am

Perhaps someone can tell us if NW received a ferry of a new 320/19 from Toulouse that day via Gander or Halifax.
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:27 am

After thoroughly reviewing this picture, I've decided its a USAirways F100 that has been pressed back in to service. My second guess is a Northwest A320.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:29 am

Just because there is nothing *schedules* during that time does not mean it wasn't coming from New England or Canada, it could have very well been running late.
 
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RE: See If You Can Identify This Plane

Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:02 pm

Just for kicks, I haven't read any of the replies. Just from the photos, I would say it is an A320. Maybe a 319, but it looks 320 sized to me. Since it was in the US, and based on the tail, I would say NW.

I'm sure this has been said multiple times, but I had to have a peek.

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