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747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:34 am

I saw a 747 with only 3 engines (2 on one wing, 1 on the other) take off from DTW last week. The name of the airline started with "E". Is this the plane that lost an engine over lake Michigan last week? Where would it be going? How can this aircraft be allowed to fly with 3 engines? I would think it would be safer to ferry in an engine than to fly the airplane?
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:54 am

I think it was one of kallettas junk, but I would imagine it was permited to ferry back to yip which is close by. That plane is going to require more than just an engine, There is major damage to the wing,and the other engine looked to me out of whack...
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:59 am

Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative. You will not see this done on revenue flights, obviously. The DC-10 and MD-11 can be two-engine ferried, for example, as well. 747's, DC-8's, 707's, not sure about 727's...you get the drift.

Obviously it's subject to a different set of checks, balances, and regulations, but if all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted then it's perfectly legal.
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:03 am

Did you see the 747 that had 3 engines on one wing... it was ferrying another engine i guess to another a/c. it wasnt funtional but sure as hell looked odd
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:08 am

Sort of off topic but here is an attempted 2 engine ferry flight of an MD-11F recently.
Did not have very good results.


http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041020X01664&key=1


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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:12 am

Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative.

I think that Dayflyer is talking about one engine missing, not inoperative.
This has been done before with the 747. Removing one engine eliminates weight and reduces drag.

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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:17 am

The FAA will permit 2 or 3 engine ferries, but there are a lot more checks that have to be accomplished for this to happen. The first is that all of the remaining engines must pass a boroscope. Only certain pilots are permitted to fly a/c with less than all engines operating. As far as I'm concerned, you should always try to fly the engine to the plane, not the plane to the engine. We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC. As for seeing 3 engines on one wing, the third engine is called a "fifth pod". Both the 707 and 747 have been approved to operate this way. It's a good way to transport your engines around but also quite expensive do to the additional drag.

There was also a remark that one of the engines "looked out of whack" whatever that is. Believe me, those 3 remaining engines all have to be operating in perfect synch before that plane is released to fly.

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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:34 am

That was Kalitta's bird. They 3 engine ferried it back to their maintainence base in Oscoda, MI last week..
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:38 am

That was a Kalitta Air 747 that dropped one of it's engines into lake michigan a week ago.

The photographer of that 3 engine ferry a few pictures above happens to be assistant chief pilot for Kalitta.
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:09 am

Interesting is that the aircraft without engine no.3 in the photo above is the same as the one that now lost no.1!
Seems it has the attitude of being a Trijet!
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:42 am

Those pylons don't look like they are in very good condition. Is that dirt on the pylons or are they rusting out?
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:51 am

In that photo it said the engine was being carried to the destination on the main deck. Isn't that were the passengers are? I would love to see a picture of that.
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:54 am

Kalitta Air 747 operate as freighters, so no pax.
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:04 am

Oh thanks, I figured that but I wasn't sure.
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:14 am

Read the caption for this shot......

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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:24 am

That was Kalitta's bird. They 3 engine ferried it back to their maintainence base in Oscoda, MI last week..


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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:25 am

Also there were some DC-8's that had the ability to pod an engine between the #2 engine and the fuselage...When the Emery DC-8 landed in SWF years ago and clipped the tail off a ABX DC-9 on the runway that DC-8 flew out of SWF on 3 engines. That is to say #1 engine was completely removed for the special ferry flight for maintenance.
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:28 am

If you read the caption to the first pic posted . . . you'll find out that this isn't that odd of an operation for katlitta! They had to 3 engine ferry a 741 in that pic too.
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:30 am

We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC.

I missed that?

I work there and didn't hear a thing about it.
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:55 am

Did they ever find that Kalitta engine yet?
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:11 pm

Here's the opposite, a a/c ferrying an engine to another bird


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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:03 pm

UAL Bagsmasher: Yes, local people found it, note this topic:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1787756/
 
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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:00 pm

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RE: 747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit

Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:43 pm

I don't like the look of the engine holder in the B741 photo. The B741 is a SP freighter.
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