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Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:23 am

Heard a little something around the ramp that Canadian North may pick up a few ex-Air Canada Zips Boeing 737-200 series. Any realism behind this idea?
This could knock a serious blow to Air North's plans.
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:56 am

I know they're picking up one of them for sure. The pink one I think.

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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:12 am

Really? I didn't think Zip had and Combi's. Where would they fly them to?
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:16 am

here's a question for my friends up north..

Air Canada Jazz is now flying a BAE146-200 to RDU with 2 levels (First and Coach). Is this just a normal upgrade due to increased passengers.. or a prelude of the E170/190 to come? The other 2 flights are still CR2's...

The rumor was RDU was returning to E170/190 mainline.
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:26 am

Air Canada Jazz is now flying a BAE146-200 to RDU with 2 levels (First and Coach). Is this just a normal upgrade due to increased passengers.. or a prelude of the E170/190 to come? The other 2 flights are still CR2's...



Where did you get that information? The Air Canada website still shows only CRJS to RDU.
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:28 am

Flytecomm.com states that the 6:15pm flight for the past couple of days has been the B462 (BAE146-200).. it's an upgrade from 50 seats to 70 seats with First Class.. which, from what I understand, is what AC wants to return to RDU cause FC sales well out of RDU..
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:31 am

I knew Joe was interested in some ex-zip birds, but anyone know where they might use to??

I think Canadian North could probably use the added capacity more, but ZIP didn't have any Combis did they? Even then they could probably still make use of non-combis for some routes aswell as charters, although I'm sure it would be easier to work with an all-combi fleet, because then all the 737s could be used on all the routes/charters, instead of this set for these routes only and that set for those routes only (thinking partly utilization and mostly aircraft replacing other aircraft that have gone mechanical)




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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:54 pm

Could the ex-Zips -200's be converted into combies? Is that possible? If it was a pink one being sent to them it might be C-GCPP.
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:02 pm

My question is:

How many exPWA 737-200C's are even left in Canada? CP didn't fly them.
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:04 pm

I suppose they could be converted from pax to combi, just like many aircraft are converted from pax to frieghers... all it would really take I believe is a cargo door installed (not that hard, it's been done to other a/c), possibly a strengthened floor (not sure there, but from what I hear it happens all the time with pax aircraft being converted into freighters) and if they needed it a gravel kit installed (basicly all a gravel kit is, is a vortex disipator on each engine, a socalled "ski" added to the nose gear, and a modified nose gear door to make room for the "ski".

Question is, are they better off doing this, keeping the plane as it is, or going off and getting some combis from somewhere else?



"CP Didn't fly them".... CP as in Canadian Pacific, they didn't fly them no. CP as in Canadian Airlines, yes they did fly them, and thats what they used to start Canadian North.



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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:48 pm

It might be used for charters. The info I got was from the Project manager for the Syncrude/Imperial oil project up in Fort McMurray who charter Canadian North and Jazz aircraft several times a week to fly YYC-Fort Mac. He said he heard from Canadian North that they were picking up the pink one. I know for a fact that Canadian North was having a hard time freeing up an aircraft to do the charters, and according the Syncrude they were going to be starting even more charters soon.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if they did get an all pax 732 just for the oil charters that are proving to be very lucrative.


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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:31 pm

This could knock a serious blow to Air North's plans.

Richard,

Any idea as to what 4N has planned for their future routes or aircraft?
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:02 am

To convert an all passenger version into a combi that meets CDN North standards, substantial work is required. Not only will a huge hole have to be cut into the side of the fuselage, vortex dissipaters, gravel deflectors (the nose requires modification as the "ski" merely retracts flush to the fuselage) but all of CDN North's planes are quick change. Heck, I dont even know if combi conversions are still allowed. (They are banned in the US)

Now to do this, you have to palletize everything (after re-enforcing the entire floor deck) so that the seats can be easily removed in rows, exposing the cargo floor. Way to costly, especially seeing as Alaska did have 200QC's parked. (story on those I’m not sure) which they may have been able to pick up.

Further to this, CDN North currently has 5 active 732's and a F-28. Some western routes (namely YZF-YEG) require the full 100-112 seats, I can see them picking up one and keeping it all passenger for that route, as well as charters to the diamond mines as at times they too use all 100 seats. Also as mentioned, with the recent Fort Mac charters, they could use an extra airframe. Keep in mind they are running 6 planes on a route structure that extends from Calgary all across the north and as far east as Ottawa, a lot of ground to cover with only 6.

Now to see the pink Zip flying around with a decal of a polar bear on it…..that could get interesting.
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:51 am

Should be interesting to see how many they pick up. I guess this squashes an rumors of Canadian North acquiring a 737-300 to do charter operations.

On a separate note, what is the latest regarding the F-28s?
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:25 pm

I knew Joe was interested in some ex-zip birds, but anyone know where they might use to??

If by Joe you mean buffalo then they would convert them to full freighters I imagine as most of their revenue is cargo and those DC-3's aren't getting any newer. Plus they lose like at least one a year to a crash.

 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:29 am

Oh, sorry YZFers! I meant Air North Joe, not Buffalo Joe



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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:01 am

Well today as I was finishing up my shift low and behold an old bird ready to start fresh with Canadian North presented itself, C-GKCP fin 523.
(ex-Air Canada Zip green stripe)
Couldn't see from the angle I got, but would have been the wrong side anyways, if a cargo door was installed. Stay tune for a pic VERY soon,
presently detailed with a fully painted tail (polar bear) and whitish body.

This is a photo of what she was last seen wearing in Edmonton. Aug 12, 04
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:05 am

So is that the only one they will be taking?
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:33 am

So far just have this one. I uploaded this pic yesterday.
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New to the Canadian North team! Recently acquired from Air Canada Zip.
 
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RE: Ex Zips To Canadian North

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 am

Here is an interesting article. They state that they are in good financial health.

IQALUIT - Canadian North is offering Inuit and Inuvialuit shareholders a half-price flight on its jets.


Canadian North is part-owned by Inuit and Inuvialuit beneficiaries

The company made the announcement last week at Nunavut Tunngavik's annual general meeting in Rankin Inlet.

Beneficiaries purchased Canadian North through Norterra six years ago. Now, says the airline's Christy Brewster, the company is in a good financial position and the offer is a way of saying thank you.


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