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Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Thu Mar 09, 2000 2:46 pm

Errrr... I just went down to my local municipal airport as per the suggestion of others on this forum and inquired about getting started in flying. I can, in fact I could be in the cockpit of either a Cesna or Beechcraft with a certified pilot tommorow if I wanted to cough up some dough - but I can't get my license until I'm 17. They said y'only need 40 hours of flying and passing two tests, but passing tests isn't hard and 40 hours doesn't seem like it would be very hard either. I guess I've got about a year to find out! Grumble...
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RE: Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Thu Mar 09, 2000 5:26 pm

Don't necessarily believe those that say you can get your PPL in 40 hours. It is easy for people to say it, and equally easy for the same to say they solo'd at five hours, but truth is, you will likely fly more (some people significantly more) than 40 hours to earn your PPL.

RE: Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Thu Mar 09, 2000 6:00 pm

I suppose that there is a reason for this.

If you are this impatient about getting your licence now, what are you going to be like up there in the air? Just be sure not to fly into PER.

Do you think that at the age of 16 a person is mature enough to take the controls of a potential hazard? I do not think so.

Here in Australia you can get your student licence at 16; a full 9 months before you can get your drivers licence.

Yes, flying is great, but there has to be a limit on the age of pilots for safety's sake
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RE: Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Thu Mar 09, 2000 6:17 pm

Over here in England the law also says you have to be 17 to get a PPL.   I have heard you end up needing a lot more then 40 hours to get licensed.

RE: Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Thu Mar 09, 2000 6:31 pm

OK, Put your future where your mouth is. If tests are so easy to take I challenge you to have 40 hours and to have soloed by the time you are 17. As you know you are legal to solo at 16. Have you done this yet.

Good Luck, MD80DRVR.
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Yes, But You Can Still Fly At 16

Fri Mar 10, 2000 4:22 am

Well, I'm not exactly sure since you are in the US. But in Canada you can do all your training and even fly solo (providing you are at least 14) but just not write the test.
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RE: Yes, But You Can Still Fly At 16

Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:47 am

You think these tests are easy? The SATs are cake in comparison. For the written tests, they nearly strip search you before you take it to make sure you don't have any illegal materials. You have to empty your pockets and put all your belongings aside from your clothes in a locker including your wallet. You can have a wimpy calculator that is add/subtract/mult./divide, and simple trig functions, no more. You are video taped while taking the test, and if you so much as look at another person in the test room, or utter a word, you can legally be thrown out. The material on the written test (for private pilot) is not hard as long as you pay attention to your instructor and study before hand.

As for the practical (flying test) it's all or nothing. No percentage or points. If you drift outside the parameters for the maneuver, "sorry, but you failed to complete that maneuver satisfactorily, you can either complete the rest of the test, or head back now, but either way you have to re-test at a later date."

Of couse, the level of strictness varies somewhat according to your examiner, but these are the basics.

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RE: Ultralights

Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:43 am

You know, I'm only 16, and I have 3 hours of training in a Diamond Katana as a birthday present, and 9 hours in a Kolb Mk III. I've sensibly invested my money, and I have enough to pay for my license right now, but I'm going to wait and let it grow some more and until I'd legally be able to receive my ticket.

Anyway, I go flying almost every weekend in my family's Kolb. It's a legal, 242 lb. ultralight. It has a BRS parachute for safety and my mother lets me solo it. I've had to be really responsible, get excellent grades in school, and generally work my tail off, but she let's my fly by myself (of course, the Kolb only seats one anyway). You can't fly over populated areas, so I mostly stay over the cottonfields and pastures. My only problem with ultralights is that I can't share my joy in flying with my girlfriend. But for the pleasure of lazily droning around watching the sun set on an early spring day, our ultralight can't be beat.
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I Am Flying At 14.

Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:31 am

I am working on lessons right now and I am only 14 so it can be done.
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RE: Snort! Have To Be 17 To Get A License!

Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:40 am

I am 17 and I'm seriously thinking about getting my licence. I took an introductory flight on Mon (06-March) and it kinda firmed my want to get my licence. I took up a Cessna Warrior, and my instuctor, said I did a good job. All we did was take-off from Norwood Airport near Boston, and did some turns, and landed again at Norwood in a short while.

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Some Questions

Fri Mar 10, 2000 9:40 am

I would like to start flying this summer, I will be 17, that is old enough for everywhere right? Including Canada?

What is the cost? Just a general figure.

Is the lince valid in another country? I live in Canada, is it valid in the US?

Thanks in advance
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Your Comments And Advice

Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:27 pm

Woxof: Thanks for the warning, I was told it 'would be wise' to get up to 60 hours.
Brissie_lions: Maturity and age are only marginaly related. Excuse me for bragging, but I am considerably more mature than most people my age. It's not impatience that fuels my anger, it's just another way of America proving how 'free' it really is. I prefer Germany where kids can drink beer at my age, not because I like beer (I've never had any) but because it's free - let the kid choose what's right, and also most of Europe is more relaxed about sex, here in America you mention the word and people turn purple...
MD80DRVR: Haven't soloed, no, and I'm up to the challenge. I'm not sure why you people are so wonderfully inspiring (hint hint) but I've never failed at anything I've had confidence in. And thanks for the good luck, I'll need it!
Ralgha: I don't mean to disrespect you, but nothing you described about that test-taking sounds hard. I can keep to myself and do what I'm told to do pretty well. Thanks for the warning, though.
MD-90: Hmm... sharing an airplane with a girlfriend...
WinAir: Yeah, I've heard of people flying at 14, I can fly now, I just can't get licensed. I wish they'd just test your maturity, common-sense, and airplane know-how instead of having an absolute zero-tolerance for 16 year olds.
LH423: Sounds like the flights I could be taking. There are three that they offer, one of which is up into Wisconsin, and a seperate flight back (expensive!) the other two are just two different lengths, but in both cases you get to fly the plain with the FAA guy watching you and telling you which buttons to push.
AC_A340: I haven't a clue what the cost is. I walked into this podunk hangar of a building at the side of Pal-Waukee (probably mispelled that) - a municipal airport near Chicago - and some guy directed me to the flight people. There are these introductory flights, they start at $100, but you can pay $35 for a nicer airplane (4-seater instead of a 2; Beechcraft instead of a Cesna). After that, I assume you pay for each flight, so the total cost comes out - according to the guy I talked to - around $4,000 - $5,000. This, of course, is just what I've been told. Anyone who's actually gone through the process and has a license: PLEASE COMMENT.

RE: Your Comments And Advice

Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:59 pm

I can imagine it now.

A drunk 16 year old, flying at 10,000 feet, having sex...oh and don't forget shooting passing planes (just to show you how 'free' America is and that kids can pretty much do what they want already)

I too have heard of 14 year olds flying planes. I too, have heard of 14 year old crashing planes due to inexperience in handling difficult situations. Even at the age of 16, one is not mature enough to handle out-of-blue situations in which ones, and others, lives may be a risk. You may be 'mature' but you are not the majority, and laws are created to protect the majority.

You also say that 'nothing about the test is hard'. Have you ever seen a copy of a test? If not, let me know and I get one and email you a copy of one. Do it and let us all see just how easy it really is.
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RE: Some Questions

Fri Mar 10, 2000 4:37 pm

Hi AC_A340, I can answer your questions:

1. Yes, 17 is old enough to get your full Private (or Recreational lisence) in Canada. If you want a glider or ultralight 16 is the youngest age.

2.If you want to get the private pilot's lisence, it will cost you a pretty penny. At least $5000. If you want to get the recreational pilots lisence (relativley new in Canada) you would be looking at about $2000-3000. Recreational pilots are limited of course to VFR and can only carry one passenger, but the tests are easier and training is less extensive (and therefore less expensive).

3. The short answer is yes, your lisence is vaild in the US. I'm pretty sure most places would respect a Canadian lisence when renting an airplane. However if you are flying a Canadian aircraft, all you have to do is call US Customs, file your flight plan and off you go (after planning your flight of course!).
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The Test

Sat Mar 11, 2000 7:20 am

Nothing he described sounded hard, and no I haven't seen the test and probably couldn't do the first three questions on it right now. I'm sure the test itself is plenty a-challenge, but it's been passed by many and I intend to be one of them. I don't intend to rush in to this and (this'll probably scare someone) I don't intend to ever get drunk.
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RE: I Am Flying At 14.

Sun Mar 12, 2000 2:53 am

you are soo lucky, i am just a little younger than you (probably the youngest on airliners.net) and my parents havent even thought about letting me take flying lessons!
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...

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