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QF And New Zealand

Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:16 am

What is Qantas going to do with New Zealand now that the alliance with Air NZ has fizzed out?
It has been widely rumoured that QF loses quite a bit of money operating domestic NZ services. Should they increase, decrease or completely withdraw these services? Should they deploy Australian, JetStar or QantasLink in New Zealand rather than use JetConnect?
What does Qantas need to do to make New Zealand a financial success for them? increase internationally from NZ?
What are your thoughts?
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RE: QF And New Zealand

Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:54 am

I'm flying CHC-ZQN and ZQN-AKL on QF JetConnect in January 2005,
the flights fit my requirements very well and the fares are very good value, I'm not sure what to expect, something a little better than easyJet but with seat allocation perhaps, compared to the Air NZ the flights may be considered too cheap.
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RE: QF And New Zealand

Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:23 pm

Not really sure but they really don't make much on most of the Tasman routes either from what I've heard, AKL-LAX is usually heavily booked though so they probably make a bit out of that, not really sure if PPT and EZE made money in the past. NZ is a low yeilding market really particularly for an airline like QF. Some of the Asian carriers do really well though like SQ, MH, TG and CX with traffic from Europe and Asia.
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RE: QF And New Zealand

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:20 am

Does Qantas need to have a presence in domestic New Zealand???
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RE: QF And New Zealand

Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:41 am


Purely to support QF25/26 (AKL/LAX). That flight is gonna get a lot of feed from American Airlines. I think however, at one stage, QF management expected Air NZ to fail, so if it had something up and running it was more likely to get more of new zealands business and get away with it.

The other thing was having such a presence there makes their threats to "crush Air NZ" if they didnt get their own way look like a real possibility.

What do they need to do? Jetconnect and jetstar should have similar costs, bar a few frills like catering. Also, the whole operation can be used as a strike breaker for the mainline. The real question is how big is the loss? If its only minor, then they can probably sustain them. I think the 717 would fit in nicely for this operation... it should have just enough range to reach Australia if im right.
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RE: QF And New Zealand

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:58 pm

I also think the 717's would be very well suited to the NZ domestic market, QF could maintain higher frequencies and reduce their costs by operating this aircraft.

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