akjetBlue
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AirTran 737-800s?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:39 pm

First off, I'd like to take my hat off to the crews, upstairs, down and in the aircraft who work for ATA; You have a great airline and awesome customer service.

I've been trying to follow who is doing what with ATA going back to charter operations. HP is aparently looking at the 757s and gates and AirTran at gates in MDW as well.

My question is whether or not AirTran is looking at the 737-800s? I know nothing about cockpit configs and if they would even be similar to the new 737NGs that FL is currently getting. I know at one point (some time back) FL was looking at adding capacity - who knows, maybe even the 757s?

Could anyone shed some light on this subject? It would be greatly apperciated.

Thanx!
-Philzy
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ATAFAN
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:54 pm

First off I have done several searches online and have came up with nothing but rumors as of ATAs fleet for the future. ATA.com has basically nothing on it and I am having a hard time coming up with any clear facts. What I know is that ATA is not going back to charter. they never left the charter business to begin with they will concentrate more on it than they have lately. They plan to concentrate scheduled service out of IND and Hawaii. ATA will still have some gates at MDW so they are not leaving MDW they will probably operate the International service along with service to Hawaii. Chicago Express is not leaving for the time being. I really wish I could find more facts but things are still being finalized in the bankruptcy courts so hopefully they will tell us more here in the coming days. Have a good day/night
 
Midway2AirTran
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:41 am

From what has been released from the agreement, AirTran will be wet-leasing 15-16 of ATA's 737-800's. Not sure how long that will last or if FL will buy them straight out after the transition to MDW. As for the rest of ATA's fleet, they should be maintaining many of the rest for their scheduled/charter IND ops which will be code sharing with FL too. There was also a rumor within the press that Mesa was also interested in the B737-800's too.
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FutureFO
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:49 am

Somehow I can't see MESA purchasing the 738's. Especially for a regional carrier. They would pull an ACA if that were to happen.


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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:12 am

Since ATA owns some of their 738s, it is possible that FL would choose to buy some as they transition to a full operation at MDW. I doubt they would assume the horrible lease costs that ATA is paying and would either renegotiate a lower price, or leave ATA and the lease holders to duke it out, while they took the owned 738s and more of their own aircraft from Boeing. As far as the cockpits go, whether the airlines use the WN "steam gauge" mimmiker layout on the 737NGs or they use the newer type readouts, according to people in MX at WN it only takes a laptop and 30 minutes to change the set up, so that is not a big deal. Given that FL is a new (well, they used to have 732s, but that is moot) 737 operator, it is likely they have the newer type readouts, and the same is the case with ATA.
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:46 am

I know at one point (some time back) FL was looking at adding capacity - who knows, maybe even the 757s?

That may be a bit tough with Boeing shutting down production of its 757 line. I believe the last one rolled out just this past week.
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srbmod
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:07 am

Since Boeing Capital is financially involved with both FL and TZ (much like it has been with HA as well), I would not be surprised that any excess TZ 738s make it over to FL in the long run.

I know at one point (some time back) FL was looking at adding capacity - who knows, maybe even the 757s?


There have been the long standing rumors out about two FL 757-200s that are owned but are being leased out to another airline. When I first heard this rumor in late 1999 while employed there, the rumors said that we had F/As in training for the 757 and that the a/c would be in service by the end of January of 2000. While the myth still makes the rounds, it is untrue, as if they really needed those two 757s, they would have them in service right now. I think this rumor got started because a number of TZ's 757s have a N---AT registration (and FL has used N---AT regos as well), and Delta bought several of TZ's 757s some years back and kept the regos as well.
 
Midway2AirTran
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:16 am

FutureFO,
Mesa has been said to be considering pulling an ACA, using older B737's.
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Vortex
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:21 am

ATA is going to be 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the present airline so the airplanes will have to go somewhere.
 
gigneil
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:10 am

That may be a bit tough with Boeing shutting down production of its 757 line. I believe the last one rolled out just this past week.


I'm fairly sure we're talking about ATA's assets here. ATA has quite a few 757s.

That being said, I don't think FL wants the 757s.

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COrouter77
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:02 am

rumor here is....that we might try for the 753's
 
aviatortj
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:49 am

I thought this post was a joke when you were talking about ATA. Anyways, the cockpit config for 737NGs, at least the displays, can be changed by uploading another airlines config from a disk from what I hear. I know it is probably more complex than that, but it sounds easier than not.

-TJ
 
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:03 am

If FL gets the 737-800s, will they reconfigure the interiors?
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aviatortj
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:22 am

I would assume that FL would eventually reconfigure the interiors so they have a uniform product. Someone who flies FL for the XM radio (in the future) would obviously be disappointed when they got on a TZ plane (for a different reason than today). Anyways, I thought I heard around the ground that the FL 737s have leather interiors throughout so the reconfiguration might not be that intense. Either way, I would see it happening at some point.

-TJ
 
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:54 am

TJ,

The AirTran 737's do not have leather interiors throughout, only rows
1-3 Business Class are leather seats. It is unfortunate that the 73G's
are not leather seats throughout. Leather seats last longer with despite
their higher acquistion costs. The seat material on the 717's seats in
both Biz and Coach are already looking a bit shopworn.
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RE: AirTran 737-800s?

Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:08 am

Wanna see Shopworn... Look at Delta Shuttle's seats. All Leather and they look like they came from 1965.

[Edited 2004-11-04 22:12:39]
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