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Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:19 am

As I have shares in BAA, I just watched the webcast of BAA financial results for the last six months and they annouced at the press conference that they have struck an agreement with the Star Alliance for Terminal 1 to become there Hub and all participating airlines will switch their flights to this terminal.

This makes common sense and must be great news for BMI to offer smooth transfers to passengers travelling on UK regional flights to connect on to long haul flights with it partner airlines. They annouced no date for this but assume will happen around the time Terminal 5 opens.

There has been much concern in recent years BA was getting all the preferential treatment at LHR as they will be switching all their routes to Terminal 5 when this opens and is envisaged Terminal 5 will become a One World Hub.

At Present as you can see below the current situation is very messy and by allowing all the flights to depart from one terminal will change dramtically how flights operate at LHR.

Air Canada - T3
Air New Zealand - T3
All Nippon - T3
Asiana - T4
Austrian - T2
British Midland (BMI) - T1
Croatia Airlines - T2
LOT - Polish Airlines - T1
Lufthansa - T2
SAS - T2
Singapore Airlines - T3
South African - T1
TAP - Air Portugal - T2
Thai - T3
United - T3
Varig - T3
 
planemannyc
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:40 am

Makes sense. What happens if Virgin and BMI tie up? Does T1 have capacity to handle that traffic as well?

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:01 am

Terminal 1 is a little in need of a facelift to say the least. I am surprised that Star is willing to settle for such a terminal with such poor facilities.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:15 am

The Big One,

I think that the entire central terminal area is in need of a facelift. I agree with you though. Perhaps BAA has plans to revamp the T1 area before Star takes over.


A couple of questions. When is Star to move their operations to T1? Second, where will the European carriers go? Will Virgin be given control of T4 (and maybe other intercontinental carriers sent there)? What about T3? I assume that if T5 becomes a Oneworld hub and T1 becomes a Star hub, and perhaps T4 becomes Virgin's home (and all intercontinental ops), a large portion of the traffic in T3 will be gone. Would that make T3 the new European terminal? Or would Virgin and the intercontinentals stay in T3 and have the European airlines move out to T4? Any word?
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:23 am

I thought SAS use T3 for the moment. They have just open the new Scandinavian lounche there, wish they use together with Air Canada.

 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:11 am

I am not sure, but I think vs will stay in T3, as they have just redeveloped the clubhouse, costing quite a lot, I think its on two floors now. To move to T4 would be very costly as well as time consuming and above all, pretty pointless.

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:23 am

Does T1 have enough gates that can handle widebodies? The morning period could be a bit of a squeeze!
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:30 am

can't wait for this to happen, as i fly with BD and NZ a lot , will make my flghts a lot more comfortable!! yipy bring it on Star
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:36 am

Article in the Financial Times this morning about this, it is strongly suspected that Skyteam (AF/KL) will get Terminal 3.
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:45 am

Sk945, SK and AC are in Terminal 3. They occupy the rather nice London Lounge. A few pics I took on a recent trip through there:




Wheelsatc, many widebodies at T1 could cause problems. Currently BA fly to SFO, LAX, JNB, HKG andd NRT from there and a 747 takes up two gates. Also El Al and SAA fly 747s from there. As it stands the terminal seems to cope at present levels although if a large longhaul operation were to move to T1 it would cause a few issues.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:05 am

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard that they are knocking down a pier at T3 to make room for some new gates to accomadate the A380 which if true would suggest that T3 still has a role for long haul travel so maybe VS will stay in T3.

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:23 am

FbgDavidson - true their are currently a number of widebodies operating at T1 but they are often moved off stand shortly after arrival. The SAA aircraft spend all day at the maintanence area while the BA aircraft are rotated quite efficiently. I think if you had to park all the United and Air Canada arrivals in the morning there might not be room.

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:00 am

"Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub"

I have posted this info on more than one occasion on this site months ago from my inside sources.

And just for the record, VS are planning on staying in T3 - hence the huge investment in the new Clubhouse as VS045 said. Think about it, when all the STAR carriers move out, there will be loads of gate space freed up.

Although the plans I have seen for the future is that Virgin would like the Clubhouse above Check-in where B.K. and those crappy restaurants are now, but that all depends on what the BAA are going to do with the space between T3 South Wing and the new Pier 6.

Just for interest, work has started on a new Multi Storey Car Park in the spaces around the big silver Heathrow Express Buliding in the Central Area.

In the plans that I mentioned earlier, it showed Car Park 3 being pulled down and the front of T3 being moved out basically as far as the end of South Wing at the moment making the check-in hall over double the size.

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:16 pm

Skyteam will get T3? Correct me if I am wrong on this, but does Skyteam really need their own terminal at LHR? How many ops do they even have? None of the US carriers in Skyteam fly there. Air France, Alitalia, KLM, and Czech (?) all fly there, but none of them operate large aircraft of the 777/340/747 size there? So, why would they be going to T3? I know that they do fly some widebodies occasionally, but Korean is the only SkyTeam member who regularly flies 747s into LHR, no?

How big is T2? Woud T2 be large enough to house Skyteam? Do they have any widebody jetways for Korean though? Any word on what will happen to T4? Will many of the other intercontinentals move out there?
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:41 pm

T1 does have quite a few widebody stands: 123,125,127 and 134 tend to get used by SAA, CY and BA. Also the Europier can take widebodies and often does now that there is more BA long haul operating ex-T1. When I was there two weeks ago there were 4 BA 744s lined up on the Europier. Plus there's the remote 170 and 171 which are used by BA 744s. Quite whether it has sufficient widebody stands to cope with Star carriers is debatable but it could always be adapted if necessary.

I believe the plan is that when T5 is introduced it will "let the lid off" the pressure on the CTA and possibly permit BAA to close at least T2 to revamp it.

Iowa744fan - T2 takes the A300s of OA and LH, and I have seen a photo with a CX 744 on stand there. However, it is in desperate need of revamping, the check in area is horrible and I'd hope that this would be a priority for BA before opening it to any alliance.

As Leezyjet has stated VS will be wanting to stay in T3, T4 is not the most accessible of terminals airside, there's often delays crossing 27L/09R and a huge rise in fuel costs overall...

BSU747 - yes the new pier 6 will be capable of handling A380s, that's the most westerly pier of T3. In other activity at T3, I noticed on Sunday morning the tower is now in place  Big thumbs up.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:07 pm

Its about time KLM, Air France, Aeroflot, CSA, Alitalia, Korean Air, Malaysia Airlines and Kenya Airways all operated under the same roof and opt for Terminal 4 - when BA vacates and relocates to T5.

 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:10 pm

The report in the 'Independent' yesterday said:

T1 - Star after a facelift
T2 - Non-aligned European traffic
T3 - Non-aligned inter-continental traffic (i.e. including VS)
T4 - Sky Team (!)
T5 - One World
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:49 pm


If STAR go exclusively for T1, it's going to fail miserably. T1 is by far the worst terminal at Heathrow. BMI has its operations there and maybe you could also move in some euro star members (SK,OS,LH,TP,LO) but can you imagine United 777's there as well? Add to this SQ and TG 747's oh, and South African's 747's, now throw in a few Air Canada widebodies and...........tada....total agony for passengers. Sure it will be amazing for STAR connections, but its overcrowded enough as it is for domestic flights!

Good Luck is all I have to say. Even after renovating the Terminal, it still won;t be big enough.

I say STAR would be better using T3, keeping T1 for UK domestic and intra European flights. All long Haul flights would use T3 (as most currently do) and T5 would be One World. T2 can be used for european carriers while T4 could be all long Haul carriers. This give Star T1 and T3, T2 goes to european flights/airlines, T4 goes for Long haul and T5 is One World.


Just a thought.

 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:28 pm

Actually, T1 is the busiest terminal at LHR. Also, it's not really "by far the worst terminal at Heathrow", most would say T2. It may lack the necessary infrastructure at present, but with some investment in the right place I think it would easily be able to cope with Star, particularly with BA moved out.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:37 pm

Come off it... T1 is huge, and BAA will easliy re-configure some of the gates to accept more widebodies. BA have a considerable wide body operation there these days, as do ELAL, SAA and Cyprus airways. SAA are moved during the day as the aircraft would otherwise sit on stand all day everyday.

The condition of Terminal one is quiet good, and BAA have managed to reonvate a large part of the terminal and build new piers.

Perhaps the UK domestic and Ireland gate areas of T1 could be reconstructed to become the AC area, with the BA long haul gates becoming the UA area (no transfer from UA and AC at LHR). Lots of renovation needed, but it could easliy be done. Thai could share the UA gates as hours of operation tend not to overlap the UA operation.

SQ could take the EL AL / Cyprus air gates, with BD and LH, alongside SK taking the connection gates in-between. Could make for quite smooth transfer operations.

T2 will become a ghost-town, with T4, housing AF, KL, KE, SV, etc... Ghost town2.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:41 pm

Please advise where all these airline check in desks will be?

HAHAHA

 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:46 pm

Cragley... when was the last time you were in T1... the check-in hall is large, and there is a new BA premium extension..... Take BA, and EI out of T1, and you have plenty of room for LH, SK and long haul. Long haul carriers to the US/Canada and Asia dont overlap considerably, allowing for combined use of check-in desks.

With more and more online and self service check-in - expect check-in areas to become smaller.

A combined Star terminal could potentially allow for a star alliance combined check-in area. That would allow so much efficiency and cost savings for the airlines involved.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:51 pm

sorry to have to throw a spanner In the works!! As an employee of CX at LHR we are constantly hearing all sorts of rumours about T5 and Oneworld.
There are no plans at present for any other Oneworld carriers to move to T5 when it opens. There simply will not be the room for operations such as IB and AA.
The latest is that T3 will become a Oneworld terminal and contain all AA,IB,EI(if they remain a OW memeber),AY,CX AND QF operations.
Again this is rumour, however the reason behind is that baggage connections between T3 and T5 are better and already being planned.
But hey who knows!! We will probably the last to know.
And to all of you who say the airport needs a facelift!! You are right but remember some of us have to work there too!! and its Grim, but maybe BAA needs to invest more in these areas and not so much into what shop its going to open next.
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:55 pm

Cragley - the T1 check in hall is very big and plenty large enough to accomodate all the Star carriers, or at least it was when I was there three days ago  Big grin.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:08 pm

Re:Bacxboys' point about capacity at T5. How many gates/stands will it have. Does anyone have a link to proper plans rather than promotional material?
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:15 pm



Yay. That means Qantas (us) and Oneworld will get the brand spanking new T5.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:42 pm

Re: Perhaps the UK domestic and Ireland gate areas of T1 could be reconstructed to become the AC area, with the BA long haul gates becoming the SA)">UA area (no transfer from SA)">UA and AC at LHR). Lots of renovation needed, but it could easliy be done

In order to accept widebodies at the UK & Rep of Ireland pier, you'd have to do a complete rebuild of the current airconditioning-duct pier itself, and add an immigration hall on that end of the terminal. Whatever happens, that whole pier needs redoing, but I would suggest that UK and Ireland departures (ie. BD domestic) use those gates, the BD/BA short haul pier and the short haul gates on the big pier be used for LH/SK/OS/BD European departures, with the gates at the end of the big pier currently used by SA/CY could be used by SA, SQ and TG (who have arrivals early morning and late afternoon, and mid-morning and later evening departures). The widebody Europier would have to house AC, RG and SA)">UA between them - which should be enough.

Re check in, I would imagine that with a dedicated terminal, the *A carriers will have common check-in desks for all their carriers, just dedicated by flight as needed. There are a ton of checkin desks at T1, it never seems enough because a lot of carriers only have one or two, and because of all the shops, theyre all squeezed together in a very poor layout, that makes any kind of queueing gum up the works completely.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:47 pm

LHR27C - are you sure it was HEATHROW T1???
Been there 3 times in the past fortnight and its a dive. HUGE queues, 3 check in staff and bags everywhere. Crowded, cramped and uncomfortable. It's even better in the summer  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

They would need massive reconstruction and to demonlish the check in desks and start a new. Thats another idea, demolish T1 and start again  Smile

Considering the departure times of star airlines to asia, where are you going to park all those planes? Drag them out to maintenance for the day?
It's going to get messy and add delays.

Although, it is Heathrow, so its expected.
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:51 pm

Allow me to dream for a second...

I would like to see BAA retrofit the central Area, starting with T2 and the Queens Building location.

Terminal 1 extension should be created where the queens building is today. The current Terminal 2 building could then be demolished as of all Heathrow terminals, it is in the worst condition.

All of the dedicated T2 gates are in need of a refurbishment. The current gate and apron area where T2 stands today should be realigned for larger aircraft, and allow new Terminal 2 should be constructed as a dedicated Virgin Atlantic Terminal that suits their unique needs. This terminal would share gates with Terminal 1 and Terminal 3 to ensure optimal gate usage, with very few dedicated Gates, just like today in T2.





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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:54 pm

BW - that's a nice dream ! VS do need a decent terminal of their own (maybe the inner north wing of T3 would do, I don't know - but they seriously do.

One question re T1 and Star. Are any of the Europier gates able to accomodate A380's ? The pier itself has two levels, with arrivals going onto the upper level then crossing the long (loooong) bridge to the main building. Are the gates designed to be modifiable into upper and lower deck jetways as well ?
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:03 pm

LHR27C - are you sure it was HEATHROW T1???
Been there 3 times in the past fortnight and its a dive. HUGE queues, 3 check in staff and bags everywhere. Crowded, cramped and uncomfortable. It's even better in the summer


Oh dear, just once try it from the haven that is Zone R and you will rapidly change your mind. You don't even need to go into the main check-in hall to get there.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:57 pm

It makes me wonder what will happen if BD and VS merge. Will the joint BD/VS still be a member of Star Alliance?? This would certainly throw a spanner in the works either way, wouldn't it?!
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:01 am

It was mentioned that checkin facilities could be combined for all of the Star carriers. A quick question. Do you think that this will require more coordination between the Star carriers and explanation of policies towards premium passengers from each airline for the workers? One problem with travelling on other Star carriers that I have heard is that often premium members (like P.E. or 1K with United) get stuck at the back of the aircraft when they fly the other carriers. My mother hates flying LH to Europe because they always stick her in the back of the plane instead of in Economy Plus and never gets upgraded or has the opportunity to upgrade when she is on LH. By the way, nothing against LH, it is just an example.

Also, another considerable savings opportunity will be in terms of airport lounges. I assume that they would just open up a few common use lounges for all of the Star Alliance carriers and their members to use....like they were starting to do at other airports a while ago (are they still doing this?) I have only been in the UA Red Carpet Club in LHR, and that was very nice and impressive. I can imagine that when you combine the quality requirements of the other airlines, those are going to be really nice and impressive facilities. They are really going to put the US Red Carpet Clubs to shame!

Finally, while reading all of these posts, numerous questions have been swirling in my head about which gates are which. I was wondering if some people can clear things up for me.

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My first question was which was T2. I thought that it was the long pier that runs parallel to runway 27R. However, I now get the idea that T2 is the terminal that is on the southeast corner of the central terminal complex. Is T2, those two concourses (piers) down there? My next question is which pier is the UK/ Rep. of Ireland pier? Is it that long one that runs on the north side of the terminal area alongside 27R? If not, what is that concourse. Next, I know that the Europier is the one that has the segment that runs parallel to the crosswinds runway, but what are the other two (what are they used for?) that extend to the east? I think that I have used to longer one when flying British Midland. Finally, is the 380 ready Pier G(?) in T3 the one that extends off to the west on the NW side? Many thanks to any replies.
 
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance

Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:37 am

Iowa, this might help: http://www.baa.com/main/airports/heathrow/terminal_information/terminal_1/terminal_map_page.html (Flash required). I can't correlate the maps with the pic very well though! Great picture, but not detailed enough in the CTA (central terminal area).

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:39 am

I have only been in the UA Red Carpet Club in LHR, and that was very nice and impressive

Really? The one by Gate 12C is T3? That is a not a good lounge. Ancient computers and the decor is in desparate need of a refurb.

Next time you are in T3 go for the London Lounge, presuming the mother with the bad treatment is *Gold (I assume from your wording she is). Much better lighter, atmosphere.

As for flying other *A partners as an elite, never had any issues or otherwise with getting E+. LH don't have E+ so probably why your mother didn't get it.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:45 am

I don't believe that all of the Star Alliance airlines are going to T1 after T5 has been built. One of my fiends who works at Heathrow said to me that Singapore Airlines will stay in T3.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:44 am

For all of you wondering about gate space in T1, I forgot to mention that the plan is to extend the Europier out accross Runway 23 and to re align all the taxiways to make 2 parallel N-S taxiways between the 2 runways rather than the twisty ones that are currently there.

Also the plan is to extend the check-in hall out accross the first road outside the front of the building thus doubling it in size.

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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:02 am

Cragley - if that's what you felt about T1 check in, you'd best check out T2! I'm not denying it can get crowded, but the fact remains that T1 is the busiest terminal at Heathrow, the check in area is large and could support the Star Alliance carriers. As JGPH1A has said it doesn't seem so big because of the large number of carriers using one or two desks. With some modifications T1, check in hall included, could take Star.

JGPH1A - you're right, the Europier is about the only place in T1 to have split arrivals/departures. As to whether it could take the 380... before BA moved widebody operations it tended to be the narrowbodies up to 767 size? The stands there are all over the place depending on whether it's taking widebodies or narrowbodies. I'd say possibly yes, bearing in mind that with the 744s they tend to take up two of the "up to 767 size" stands each, and there's still adequate spacing between with that arrangement. More a problem would be infrastructure, I doubt the airbridges are dual level.

Iowa - the answer to all your questions is yes. The two "other" piers on T1 are used by all the airlines really, as I said above SAA tend to use those on the northern side of the long pier where there are some heavy stands. Airline parking at T1 tends to be flexible, except for the UK/Republic of Ireland traffic which always use 4A, the long one at the north of the CTA. The new pier on the northwest of T3 has I think one or two A380 ready stands including one dual airbridge. The main new A380 equipped pier has not been built yet, that will go in place of the other pier on T3 (south west) and will have many more A380 capable stands.
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:33 pm

From all the work BAA are going to do on T1 (extending the Europier, doubling the size of the check-in area (presumably to fit more shops in  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ), it's going to take AGES to get T1 up to speed for Star - they should start the work now ! If they extend check-in out over the road, they'll need to redesign the road access completely (its a bit of a mare at the moment anyway). Lets hope they reinstate some windows in the public areas with views of the apron, as well !
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:50 am

Geoffm,

Thanks. That link was great. Answered quite a few questions. Thanks.  Smile

FbgDavidson,

I don't recall the location as it was a few years ago. We used to go occasionally since my mother had business there, but then her company got bought by a Dutch group, and now a French group. It was a few years ago though. I have heard that I should check the one in Frankfurt. Also, recall that we are not exactly spoiled with the quality of the lounges over here!  Big grin Also, she is 1K...which I believe is SA gold? I have never read up too much on the SA program. Yeah, I realize that there is no EPlus on LH, but she just hates getting stuck all the way in the back (although I don't mind since I love to watch the flaps, ailerons, and spoilers deploy during landing) and never getting a chance to upgrade whereas UA does it all the time for her. Plus, she gets I think double miles when she flies UA, but she only gets credit for single miles when she flies LH. So, she usually tries to stay with UA. As I mentioned earlier, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with the service, just how she gets treated in terms of upgrades, seat location, and FF mileage.

LHR27C,

Thanks to you as well.
 
cragley
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:16 am


Ok this makes it simpler.

Heathrow can be One World and all others.
Give Gatwick to STAR!!!

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
willbdsp
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:28 am

With the creation of the Star Hub at Heathrow, would US Airways move from LGW to LHR?
 
fbgdavidson
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:41 am

With the creation of the Star Hub at Heathrow, would US Airways move from LGW to LHR?

No. Bermuda II won't allow it. I think that is the name of the agreement.....:o
Only BA, VS, UA and AA can fly transatlantic from LHR
"My first job was selling doors, door to door, that's a tough job innit" - Bill Bailey
 
JoFMO
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:49 am

US is not allowed to serve LHR due to the Bermuda II restriction, which only allows BA,VS and UA,AA to serve certain American destinations from LHR.
 
FriendlySkies
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:07 am

Question regarding Bermuda II. If LHR had more capacity and wasn't slot restricted, would the restrictions be lifted?
 
roblondon70
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RE: Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:15 am

Not necessarily.

The UK has long been pressing for ownership restrictions to be lifted and the US internal market to be opened up.

A true global market??

Little possible about LHR, although, in my opinion, it's hardly used efficiently.

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