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MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:37 pm

Confirmed, MX A318´s will be arriving November 11 and 16.  Big thumbs up
Sched to be confirmed.  Big grin
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:54 pm

Woo-hoo!

Now I have CHOICE of A318 operators to fly on! Hey, I betcha now I can go SLC-DEN-MEX-ACA on nothing but my beloved lil baby bus!
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:09 pm

Great stuff,

I'm Looking forward


Are they flying to MTY any time soon after the delivery day?
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:15 pm

One of the two new babies will be operating on MX's MEX-YYZ route starting in December. This will be the first A318 touching down in YYZ on a sked basis. Surprised by the downgrade from A320/A319 equipment, given heavy loads during the winter season.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:25 am

Not downgrade, it will add a frequency.  Big thumbs up

It´s suposed to fly one of them on weekends to MTYBig grin

Actually those two will be flying YYZ and UIO-GYE.

Config will be 12J 88Y.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:36 am

They will also fly MEX-YUL-MEX (MX880 / MX882 and MX881 / MX883)
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:54 am

Any chance of seeing them in HMO?
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:23 am

Now I have CHOICE of A318 operators to fly on! Hey, I betcha now I can go SLC-DEN-MEX-ACA on nothing but my beloved lil baby bus!

Not until whatever Frontier schedule comes out after December 18th (or if that schedule changes), at the earliest, since SLC is gonna be A319/B733 on F9 through then. Still, I'm glad at least ONE person likes those miserable little shorty buses. Darn things cause nothing but trouble...
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:25 pm

Don't understand MX's commercial strategy at YYZ. Frequencies, equipment, and schedules constantly changing. The winter schedule will see the YYZ-MEX service arriving at midnight with 0% connection possibilities. All onward connection traffic will have to overnight in MEX. Also, what is the point of operating daily except Wednesday through the winter/spring?

Any of the MX experts care to shed some insight??
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:10 am

Asqx: we are two who likes the mini buses  Love.

FLYACYYZ: with that midnight sched maybe you won´t be able to catch any connections in MEX, but how about all the incoming connections in YYZ to MEX ?

FLY2HMO: not sure now, maybe when the others arrive  Big thumbs up
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:03 am

I'm a nice positive guy, always looking forward for the best. I even try to see the good part of things instead of the bad side. But, I don't think the little tiny mini busses will help MX. I've always thought that if you think little, then the result will be little, think big for big results.

To me it seams like MX is planning for little results. They are just focusing on small amount of pax for very long legs. Also, selling a 100 seats is not very difficult, so it's like MX doesn't want to put a lot of effort to grow.

And the worst part of all this post I'm sharing with you, guys, is that I am a MX fan. I always place MX first hand on all my travels, but this time I just feel sad for looking at the airline I admire and respect as if things are not doing well at all. I just wished MX was acquiring also larger aircrafts showing their interest on growing, but I don't see that. They are even giving back the B757's. So, my big concern is, What's going on with MX? What's there ahead for it?

I apologize for looking so negative, but I don't want my favorite airline to flight backwards.

Anyway, even if MX got the A318, congratulations for the new minibuses, at least they are new.

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:53 am

Well said Anthsaun,

If you think little you get little, if you think big you will get big!!! I have always supported that and still do.

I just wish that mexican airlines would start thinking BIG, not just AeroMexico and Mexicana, but all of them. Really big fleets, a lot of destinations, bigger airplanes etc. I know it doesn`t happen overnight, but you have to plan it that way to get there!

I hope to hear AM announce the 777 officialy soon!!

Just my 2 cents

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:46 am

Is MX planning on using the A318 for DFW or are they going to use a different plane when they start service next month?
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:20 am

Archie & Anthasun,
In some ways I agree with you, but I think the 318 will help develop some markets in order to put larger planes on them. It's like a "teaser" to the route. Then when the route gets going they can upgrade it. Possibly with 100 pax on the plane, they need less F/A as compared to an A319 & A320 and start making profit on a route that could have low load factors.

Also the 318, 319 & 320 can make almost any MX route, so they have more flexibility in terms of planning aircraft use when demand drops at some destinations and switch easily one plane for other (they can't currently do that with the 100s.)

But I totally agree their is a big lack of ambition in our industry, and AM or MX are not being too aggressive and they leave the international market (except US & Canada) to international carriers.
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:50 pm

Now there is no money enough to buy bigger planes, also, is better to have less seats offered and more seats occupied; for example, MEX-YVR operates with a 757 with only 80 pax, that was unprofitable, but when you put an A319 on the same route with the same 80 pax, you are making money, even when only is $1 you are making money instead of loosing it.

Hope to see the big buses soon  Big thumbs up
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:13 pm

ABQ has been working hard to get service to Mexico, talking to several airlines. I'm just wondering if any of you have heard anything about MX possibly starting service? I think an A318 would be great between ABQ and MEX.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:51 pm

Listen folks.

The fact is that Mexico is only 31/2 hour average from any
U.S. city. Both Mexicana and Aeromexico offer larger aircraft than any other airline from North America. Most
U.S. airlines use B737's and A319's or A320's.

Mexico is not at the distance of Europe or Asia so why would
an airline fly widebodies?? If this was the logic, America,
United, Delta, Frontier, ATA etc., etc., etc., would be flying
B777s or B747's.

Mexicana's move to get an all Airbus fleet is one hell of a
brilliant move that will definately help them weather these
bad days that every airline is facing.

I applaud their move and wish them well. I fly to Mexico
quite a bit and could care less if it is a wide body or not.

The fact is that the Mexican carriers have the best service
in the skies to Mexico hands down.

 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:44 am

Good old friend, Navega.

I understand your point, but I see it a bit different from my stand. The strategy of getting the B318s is good, but it will lay little results. I can't believe that just 100 seats are enough for the largest city on earth. Believe me, there is something wrong. I know CA also serves the same routes as MX and that they went from B767 to A320. There must be something wrong in the business approach. Toronto is a great city, so it is Montreal and Vancouver. So I'm sure there are more than a 100 pax in need of a seat. Also, what about cargo? NAFTA is a great tool nobody is using. Also there are Canadian charter airlines doing part of the job. And that means there is a great market but MX does not look at it the way they should.

Every time I fly MX MEXICO -USA the flights are sold out and it is really difficult to get a seat.

There are more routes, seats and destinations served by USA airlines than Mexican airlines.

Every body is looking forward on flying from everywhere to Mexico, but Mexican airlines are going nowhere.

CUN looks like an USA airport. There are more airplanes from the USA than Mexican airplanes.

SJD is just the same as CUN.

MX wants to start service to Europe, but they do nothing to get the right kind of aircraft to do the jump.

MX is thinking about charter flights but do not have enough airplanes to do so.


I know, and I even state that MXs service is a lot better than any USA airline.

Do not get me wrong, I'm a MX fan. I just want my favorite airline to do better and go beyond.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:25 am

While TAM confirms to Airbus its 10th Airbus 330 and a new batch of 10 Airbus 320 with 20 more options... all we here expect is the arrival of 10 Airbus 318s! WOW!!

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:35 am

N405MX,

Confirmed, MX A318´s will be arriving November 11 and 16.
Sched to be confirmed.


Thanks for the info. I'll be ready to spot them...

Now there is no money enough to buy bigger planes, also, is better to have less seats offered and more seats occupied; for example, MEX-YVR operates with a 757 with only 80 pax, that was unprofitable, but when you put an A319 on the same route with the same 80 pax, you are making money, even when only is $1 you are making money instead of loosing it.

AC operates to MEX a 762 and sometimes 763 on a daily basis...

Navega,

Both Mexicana and Aeromexico offer larger aircraft than any other airline from North America. Most U.S. airlines use B737's and A319's or A320's.

But, AA sends 2 or 3 A300 from MIA, daily and DL at least 3-4 757s (just to MEX, both of them)...

I agree with Anthsaun and I hope new MX orders for more Buses: Not only more A320 series, but also widebodies.

Fyano.


 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:48 am

Mex might have the largest population of any city. But what do you think the actual population is of people that have enough money to fly anywhere from there?

I have been there and would think that a huge percentaqge of the population have never even left MEX before.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:43 pm

Rlwynn is right, how many of us can spend on a airplane ticket (not only employee tickets  Embarrassment ).

Also, for everyone asking for bigger planes; just a little question:
Why any US carrier brings their big ones here??? (747, 777) ?  Confused

Also, the small planes serve better for other purpose, like to get 2 daily flights instead of only 1  Big thumbs up

Ghost, cool down the big ones have yet to come Big grin
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:10 am

OK ok, Rlwynn you seem to judge a situation on a very shallow viewpoint. Of course Mexico is a country with many poor people (according to some sources it is more than 50% of the 102 million inhabitants) however the other half (more than 40 million) is a huge market as big as a single European country (like France) and even many of the poor people can afford a ticket to Tijuana or any other border city. Believe me, after 6 years as an AM flight attendant I have met the most unlikely characters in a passenger aircraft, including Huichol or Mixe people who need additional help filling their passport control forms...and those people could have a US visa.
The fact that Lufthansa operates 11 frequencies to MEX should tell something. There also serious plans for a MEX-MUC flight before the year ends. While some European carriers are scaling back operations in other Latin American countries, they are increasing frequencies to MEX. Just look at what IB is doing, they are bringing their new flagship, the A340-600 while BA, KLM, LH, and AF are bringing 747-400`s. I have sometimes tried to book a flight to FRA or LHR (paying normal fare) and they are always full. The same happens with our own Aeromexico 767`s which BTW have new seats far more confortable than any other I have tried in a 747.

AM is being reorganized as an airline. Even some managmement positions are being made redundant while flight crews training is being refocused to be more customer friendly. Plans for the future include new routes and frequencies to Europe including the Boeing 777. Also AM is refocusing itself as an international carrier and is slowly dropping internal services like LMM or MAM.

Regarding the main topic, I can only say that having an all Airbus fleet is one of the most brilliant moves ever made by MX including the one made with the all 727 fleet. Having a standarized fleet will pave the way for future A330 orders. Just remember that while DC-10`s looked impressive in MX colours they lost money without the right routes to place these aircraft. Just for the record even American carriers have scaled back their fleets, being the 777 the biggest acft for AA, DL and CO while UA and NW use 747`s for Asian operations.

The 747 may have been a great acft but remember that they were an important weight in both Pan Am and TWA demise.

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:14 am

Love it (and I do) or not, here she is:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=275689

cheers

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:42 am

With a 7 to 10% less cost on the A-318 compare with A-319, fleet commonality and great range, MX is on the top.
Imagine the plane flying to Quito and Guayaquil and to Saltillo or Tuxtla Gutierrez with the same crew qualification...MX is going well forward and never back.
Take note that MX will use a 64.5 ton take off weight on the baby bus...range Unbeatable
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:53 pm

Now on a.net:


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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:01 am

Thanks for the pics, hope to see it next week arriving at MEX

Just wait for the arrival time  Big thumbs up
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:09 am

Well...no paint surprise. I'm glad they're keeping the current one for a while, since it's very nice.
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:59 am

what can I say, she looks beautiful, can't wait to see the family lined up at MEX, imagine A320/319/318 one next to the other, wow!
Slowly but surely, MX is heading in the right direction.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:12 am

Tomorrow is the day  Big thumbs up

Wait for the sched
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:22 am

Como estas Logan?

Do you know about the routing/flight number? Since the 1st A318 will arrive tomorrow, it should be departing Hamburg on Wednesday afternoon/evening Mexico Central Time. I could track it via fboweb.com and post updates here.

Saludos,
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:31 am

Berny:
The route it´s supposed to be XFW-KEF-YUL-MEX, not sure right now, it´s supposed to arrive today the first one, but there is no flifo about, hope to see it today, if I can I´ll post it later  Big thumbs up

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:46 am

Finally!!! Big grin

Today is the day everybody get your cameras because XA-UBQ will be arriving at 7:50pm  Big thumbs up

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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:51 am

Indeed, the aircraft flew to YUL from KEF this afternoon.

Dep. time from YUL was supposed to be 14H55, so this Babybus should be only a couple of hours away from MEX now.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:49 pm

It arrived it arrived!!!  Big thumbs up

It´s here  Big thumbs up
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:49 am

Tomorrow will be arriving que second A318 for MX.

Hope somebody can get some pictures Big grin
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:09 am

XA-UBR is MX's 2nd A318 msn 2333...

It seems they also are hurring the delivery since it was supposed to be slower and the next ones are scheduled for: Nov 04 (2) Dec 04 (1), Jan 05 (2), Feb 05 (1). The other four are supposed to come around: Jun 05, Oct 05, Dec 05 & Jan 06.

Finally the baby's are here, but now we need the big ones.
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:07 am

Airbus official announcement in their homepage:

MEXICANA DE AVIACION, FIRST TO OPERATE THE A318 IN LATIN AMERICA
NOVEMBER 16, 2004




Mexico City based airline Mexicana has taken delivery of the first of 10 A318s, becoming the first operator of the type in Latin America.


These aircraft will be operated under a lease agreement with GECAS. Powered by CFM International CFM56-5Bs engines, the aircraft is equipped with a spacious and comfortable two-class configuration seating 100 passengers.


Mexicana already operates a fleet of 40 Airbus aircraft, including 15 A319s and 25 A320s. The new A318 will be operated on the airline’s domestic network an also on routes to the USA, Canada and South America.


Mexicana selected the A318 because of its perfect fit with its existing Airbus fleet providing an outstanding operational flexibility. Its commonality with the rest of the A320 family represents a major cost saving advantage whilst maintaining the highest level of passenger comfort, and allowing for further network expansion.


Sharing the same fuselage width as the other members of the A320 Family, the A318 offers the same standard of comfort that is available on the larger Airbus single-aisle aircraft. It shares the A320 Family’s modern fly-by-wire controls, allowing all types to be operated by the same flights crews and maintained by the same engineers. It therefore benefits from the highest degree of operational commonality, greatly reducing capital investment, as well as training and spares. The Airbus single-aisle family is unrivalled in providing operators with the optimum and most versatile answer for profitability, reliability and passenger comfort in the 100-220 seat category.


Firm orders for the Airbus A320 Family stand at over 3200 – of which more than 2200 have been delivered to date – making it the fastest-selling airliner range of all time. The A320 Family has won more than 140 customers and operators throughout the world.


Airbus is an EADS joint company with BAE Systems.


 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:57 am

Big ones yet to come.....  Big thumbs up

And everybody here in MTY grab your cameras because NOV 21-23 the baby bus will visit us  Big thumbs up

In the morning and evening 2 flights per day, hope to catch it tomorrow and post the pics  Big grin
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:17 am

allowing all types to be operated by the same flights crews and maintained by the same engineers.

This part really made my day, since it is not entirely correct for Mexicana's case. Since MX operates different engines on the A320 vs A319's and A318's, its engineers have to be certified to maintain both IAE and CFM and spares for both engines have to be in the warehouse, which costs $$$$$.

If the P&W engines were not delayed for the A318, I can bet MX would have chosen those engines to have a mix of engines in its Airbus fleet...  Big grin
 
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:12 pm

its engineers have to be certified to maintain both IAE and CFM and spares for both engines have to be in the warehouse, which costs $$$$$.

The engines on the A318 and the A319 are the same, so the cost´s are very low indeed, and for the P&W engines, those where planned but dumped because of the high cost.

For the A320 MX choose the IAE because of it´s cost, also those engines work fine in MEX for a fully load A320 departing YVR or CCS with the "thrust bump" or "booster" that gives a little extra power on those engines.
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:56 pm

Finally here, hope to upload the pictures soon, XA-UBQ in MTY
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RE: MX A318´s Arriving

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:32 pm

Tomorrow media event at MTY with the A318
Grab your cameras  Big thumbs up
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