flyyul
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BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:16 am

Good news for YVR!

BA will increase YVRLHR from 7 to 10 weekly 744's

BA will downgauge YYZLHR 2nd trip from 744 to 772.. and the 3rd YYZLHR trip will go from 4 weekly to 3 weekly 772... 777 service features no F class

BA will keep YUL constant with a daily 772 no F.

 
behramjee
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:20 am

Since when did BA withdraw First class from its B 772ER fleet? Why did they do it?
 
spyderz
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:34 am

I assume the YVR upgrade is just for the summer season. Anyways it'll be good to see since Air Canada usually flies YVR-LHR 3xdaily during the summer with 330's and 763's. Also a bit suprised that the upgrade came with 744's instead of 772's. Anyways the extra flights will be most welcomed since during the summer all the flights are usually full. Unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said about LHR-YYZ flights, albiet they're probably higher yielding.
 
DYK
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:23 am

This does not surprise me as this route is almost impossible to get a seat during the summer months. British Airways has been talking about this for the last few years, thought they would have gone double daily. We just have to wait for Lufthansa on what they will do on the YVr-MUC route, rumour is the will go daily on this route for summer 2005.
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behramjee
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:56 pm

Its worth mentioning that not all the YVR-LHR-YVR traffic for Air Canada is O&D traffic...there are many passengers on the plane that (around 40-60 per flight) who are passengers of EK-QR-GF-AI-UL-KU-RJ-SV-TK etc who have commercial agreements with AC for the LHR-CANADA-LHR routes which include LHR-YUL/YYZ/YOW/YVR/Calgary/Edmonton.

These pax change airlines at LHR after flying trans-atlantic on AC.
 
airbusfanyyz
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:07 pm

Marc,

BA's second daily to YYZ is currently a 772.

Cheers,
Kaz

[Edited 2004-11-05 05:07:47]
 
DavidYYC
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:40 pm

Any news on a BA LHR-YYC-LHR route. That route is also very busy and AC has the monopoly now (apart from charters) ?
 
DYK
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:52 pm

Davidyyc
In the CTA website it show British Airways applying for code share with American ORD-YYC effective December 2004 to December 2007. So I am assuming they no plans to serve YYC during this period?
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Jayce
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:41 pm

This is great news for YVR! DYK- I heard LH is cancelling YVR-MUC next summer, hopefully you're right and I'm wrong.

"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
 
connector4you
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:12 pm

For some reason it's way more expensive to fly from Vancouver direct non-stop to Europe than to Asia ?

Fly anywhere to Asia ? No problem FABULOS deals (note to yourself: get one of those soon !)

Fly to Europe NO SEATS, EXPENSIVE, rerouting trough Toronto and Montreal, poor service and bad connecting times beyond major European hubs except perhaps KLM though Amsterdam.

I would welcome BA's three additional weekly service provided that their flight arrives on time before or around 8:00 AM at LHR.

 
behramjee
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:45 pm

Connector4u...obviously YVR-ASIA flights will be cheaper than YVR-EU flights because ALL the major carriers of Far East Asia fly to YVR on a daily and some multiple daily times including AC-CX etc.

For EU, you only have BA-LH-AC-KLM competing where as for Asian routes you have CX-OZ-KE-ANA-JAL-BR-CI-SQ-some Chinese based airlines I think...supply surpasses demand on the YVR-ASIAN routes where as it doesnt on the YVR-UK/EU route where demand usually outstrips supply hence you see higher fares for same distance flights to EU than on Asian routes of similar flying time.

No one in their right mind would fly to YYC via ORD with the hassle and inconvienience of US Customs & Immigration...yes I do feel that BA would do very well out of YYC with 4 weekly to daily B 777-200ERs. Lot of high yield oil executives from YYC can use BA to fly via LHR to oil cities in Africa and the Middle East.

Im still waiting for the day when a true successor to Canadian Airlines is found which would give AC serious competition on its key YVR-Asian and YVR-EU/UK routes.
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:35 pm

Behramjee, think and verify your facts because you rush to spit them all out. And why do you fancy using "-" to separate between subjects, didn't they teach you in English class that comma should be the right one used instead? It just gets annoying after reading your posts.

OZ and NH do not serve YVR, they only code-share into YVR with AC. CX is the only one with year-round double daily (excluding the YYZ stopover). Few Asian carriers into YVR have daily flights e.g. JL (only in the summer months do they have 10x weekly, ie. double daily on some days) but 2 of which continue onto MEX. CA has daily but only during the summer, same with CI. Many fail to secure rights for additional flights and only in the summer do they get to add an extra flight, e.g. KE or BR.

These flights are too very crowded during peak season needless to say and from time to time remain packed during off-peak times. I'm sure same goes to those flights heading for Europe. I can't agree that supply surpasses demand for the Asian flights because they are pretty hard to get booked on to, and you have to book way in advance for travel during holidays. Just thought I'd say that my flights YVR-LHR vv on BA at the end of last month were barely full, both ways. So any additional capacity could well be only seasonal.

As to why the fares are more expensive on the shorter sectors, I would only say it is because of less competition and somehow supply and demand is a factor but I would not regard as the major one.

Example of airlines offering direct scheduled flights to Asia and onwards connections from YVR:
CX, JL, AC, CI, BR, KE, SQ, MU, PR, CA

To Europe:
AC, BA, KL, LH
 
wheelsatc
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:09 pm

Airbus Lover - you do not regard supply and Demand as a major factor??
You obviously do not no much about business then!
 
HB-IWC
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:50 pm

We just have to wait for Lufthansa on what they will do on the YVr-MUC route, rumour is the will go daily on this route for summer 2005.

Lufthansa's return on the MUC-YVR route is still very much up in the air. They have loaded a preliminary version of their 2005 Summer Operations into the CRS and so far there is no sign of MUC-YVR returning. MUC-YUL, on the other hand is loaded to be daily with A343 equipment.

As for BA, I thought this is not the first time they reinforce summer operations into YVR. I seem to remember them doing the same thing a couple of years ago. At that time, they also increased operations into SEA for the summer from daily to 10 weekly flights.

 
Airbus Lover
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:24 am

Wheelsatc, read carefully! I was saying it is not the major factor in respect to the comparison of airfares between YVR-Europe and YVR-Asia but more of the competition. I never ruled it out as a factor.

Both routes' demand surpasses supply during peak times and fares sour high as compared to low season and this is the case everywhere. But as to why flights to Europe are more than expensive than that to Asia regardless of time of the year, I'd say it's because of competition. In a way also more competition = more options = higher supply, but you really can't say there's lots of supply of service to say PVG from YVR when not all those airlines serve PVG or have convenient connections. So looking from an origin to destination analysis however, you should see that passengers do have lots of options and less convenient schedules have lower fares etc. There is hardly oversupply of seats to Asia from YVR and yet fares are still cheaper.
 
LH423
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:16 pm

Behramjee: BA have not removed the FIRST cabin from all 777s. There is, however, a small fleet configured with 36 fully-flat, Club World seats, 24 World Traveller seats, and 214 World Traveller seats. These planes fly to destinations where yields don't warrant the F cabin, such as PEK, YUL, YYZ, CCU, etc.

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AC345
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:52 pm

Airbus-Lover, since you're so good at English and at lecturing Behramjee, maybe you should know that fares can and do indeed soar high sometimes, but they definitely do not "sour high" ever. I hope you do know that saying about people in glass houses.

That being said, yey for YVR. The more the merrier. Maybe KLM will upgrade their service to 777 sometime soon. Not next summer though, it will be again th MD11.
 
GuyBetsy1
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:35 pm

It is a known fact that Transpacific fares are always lower than Transatlantic fares from Canada if comparing miles equivalent.
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:12 pm

AC345, go on, pick on typos. And I really do understand the saying of people living in glass houses, such as yourself. "It will be again th MD11"?!  Insane

Nothing beats Behramjee's love for hyphens though.  Wink/being sarcastic

Let me get back on the topic now. We have many airlines flying into YVR, such as CX-JAL-AC-CI-EVA-KE-SQ-MU-PR-CA on YVR-ASIA-YVR flights while we have BA-LH-KLM flying YVR-EUROPE-YVR flights. They fly from cities such as HKG/NRT/TPE/ICN in ASIA and AMS/LHR/FRA in EU. Some flights are operated by B 777-200ERs and B 747-400s. Seating capacity in average is 300-400 seats. Big grin
 
AC345
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:15 am

Wow, Airbus Lover, you gave me a taste of my own medicine and it is bitter. Get a life (a real one), little man.
 
behramjee
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:11 am

Airbus Lover...I dont know if you've worked in an airline but I have for the past 3 summers in Cathay Pacific.

In CX, I have handled reservations, sales and marketing and whenever in reservations a msg had to be sent out concerning 2-3 different airlines or even a route structure it should used to be like HKG-LAX-JFK on CX-AA and not CX, AA nor CX & AA nor CX + AA!!!

As for my english capabilities, since you're from Malaysia I dont know if you've heard of Cambridge University Exams called A Levels and O Levels but if u have then in O Level Cambridge Univ exam I got 88% in English and A Levels (which is of a higher standard) I got 91%  Smile ...so I wouldnt doubt my English language capabilities and form of writing.

The reason why I write - instead of , is because thats how we do it in CX.

If you think thats funny then it just shows your immaturity !!!
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: BA To Increase Yvrlhr To 10 Weekly

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:11 pm

So it seems although I'm much younger than you, I too have had internships with airlines before, namely MAS, twice for two 'sessions'.  Big grin

Your inconsistency was more like using 2 letter IATA code then ICAO later. I doubt CX does that. At most they will all be in 2 letter IATA code.

Yes I do know of the GCSE exams, I actually did the IGCSE and scored slightly better than you in O levels  Laugh out loud However, I did not take the A level exams as my school at that year switched to offer IB instead.

Reading your posts ever since you joined, it's really funny how you called me immature. The term AC345 used would be perfect here. The content of your posts are often irrelevant and/or of poor factual value except that they seem like written by someone trying hard to pretend he knows everything very well when in fact what this person said isn't even right to start off with.