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Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:39 am

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ATLANTA - Heavy suitcases aren't the only things weighing down airplanes and requiring them to burn more fuel, pushing up the cost of flights. A new government study reveals that airlines increasingly have to worry more about the weight of their passengers.

America's growing waistlines are hurting the bottom lines of airline companies as the extra pounds on passengers are causing a drag on planes. Heavier fliers have created heftier fuel costs, according to the government study.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&ncid=541&e=1&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_he_me/fit_fat_fliers
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:41 am

Maybe they should charge by the pound?  Confused Big grin
 
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:44 am

Actually N771AN, I have suggested that a couple times on this forum.

Have a per # fee for the flight and then bill by multiplying that by the weight of the passeger, baggage, carry-ons.

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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:46 am

That's awesome... I'll get to fly on the cheap. Big grin
 
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:53 am

If you charged people by the pound you would have people starving themselves before they fly, I used to Wrestle in Middle School and High School. We used all sorts of crazy things to loose weight to come in at or below our class, during practice the coaches would blast the heat and make us wear sweat pants and hooded sweat shirts. I would always have to leave and throw up and come back because I would be so sick from working out in such hot and sweating conditions.

People are nuts, they will take laxatives and make themselves throw up before a flight to save $3 dollars.
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:54 am

Works for me! Well, maybe not. You know the TSB has a recommendation out saying passengers should be individually weighed for small planes. This is because of that Georgian Express Caravan that crashed in February this year. The investigation isn't done, but the plane was more than 600 pounds over the MTOW. They say the standard passenger weights are no longer representative of the population.
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:08 am

I was just going to post this  Smile

What ever happened to that idea or rule, that WN? was considering? Obese folks were going to have to buy 2 seats instead of one.

I guess extremely overweight persons have to go by car then?
 
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:33 am

To be fair, people who are overweight (like myself, unfortunately) should be treated with a little sensitivity. In some cases, their problem is genetic, others, it is psychological; I can name a hundred reasons why someone may be overweight.

With this said (and I'll probably get flamed for saying this), being overweight does not put someone in a protected class (here in the USA). In my case, I am disabled, so I get consideration because my weight is caused by my disability, but all the same, if I am going to take up more space that the seat allows and crush the person next to me, then I have interfered with the rights of that person to be able to have the personal space on the airplane for which they have paid (however small that may be).

My solution is to upgrade to First Class on flights where it is inexpensive to do so and I know I can get on with a paid upgrade. In other cases, I purchase the absolute lowest fare and purchase two seats. This means when I fly coast to coast, I pay $398 instead of $198 (which the lowest fare is today SEA-NYC round trip). Also, I ask for double miles, since I am in fact paying for both seats, whether occupied or not.

Purchasing two seats is the only reasonable thing to do, for myself and the other people I happen to sit with on the aircraft. I do not suggest that this should be blanket policy; however, I do feel that, being overweight, I have a responsibility to not impose my situation on others, hence purchasing the upgrade or the extra seat. It doubles the cost of my travel for sure, but for me, its a better solution.

I do think, however, that if people should pay extra for the seat, there should be an incentive for them to pay for it. For example, if I have to purchase a second seat, if I pay a high enough fare, say not the lowest fare but the next one up, that I can get an extra seat at a discount of 20%. The net of this is that the carrier will get the same and or a little more money out of the deal and people who are overweight would be more inclined to pay if they knew they could get a discount for it. Of course, the give back would be no mileage accrual for the second seat.

Let me be clear: I do not advocate forcing overweight people to purchase a second seat...they should be given an incentive for exercising a little concern for their fellow passengers. In this way, overweight people will not be offended, the other passengers would be happy and the airline would eek out a few more pennies out of the seat.

With my last point made: IF an overweight passenger cannot fit between the arm rests, then this becomes a safety issue in an evacuation. Under those circumstances, it should be mandatory that they purchase the second seat. This then no longer becomes a comfort and economic issue, it becomes a safety issue and in those cases, if I have to offend someone to preserve my ability to exit an aircraft in an emergency, so be it. Safety first, not only for me, but my fellow passengers.

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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:24 am

Hello folks!

This summer I flew SXF-BCN with easyJet and when I checked in I was told to pay 40€ (more than what I had paid for the ticket) for some overweight in my baggage. When I boarded an obese man sat next to me. It took him quite a long time to fit into his seat. As the sit wasn't big enough for him he occupied nearly 1/4 of my seat and I had to fly almost 3 hours in extra-small seat (and, you know, easyJet's seats aren't especially spacious). In addition, when I was hungry I was not brave enough to ask him to stand up for me to be able to take some food I had on the overhead department, so I got to BCN squashed and starving  Nuts. That's a pleasant flight.

After that flight, realized that it is not fair to charge some passengers for some kilograms of baggage overweight while other passengers, whose own weight is much higher than a normal passenger weight with it's baggage, don't have to pay overweight. In terms of security I think that restrictive limits for baggage weight are insignificant since there is no limit for human weight.

However, I know overweight can be caused by an illness, that's why I think that some specially big seats should be available for the people whose overweight is proved to be caused by an illness. Nevertheless, the people whose overweight is caused just by eating too much should pay for the room they need: one seat, two seats, or the whole row. Don't you think?

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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:46 pm

well, surely russians can be blamed too, and many of the poorer nations, where entrprenurs travel abroad, pick up LOTS of goods, and take them home. Take for example, IST-MOW/LED-the amount of baggage on these flights which I have witnessed, is incredible,
 
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:27 pm

To me, people always seem to be bitching about obese people flowing into their seat space, yet some of them find it quite normal to use the carry-on space of 2-3 people in the overhead bins!

Slap obese pax with a fee, but please be fair and slap all those folks with their enormous carry-on's as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:50 pm

Amen, SA7700... I was waiting for someone to mention that.
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:01 pm

There is an easy way to get around the fee for overweight luggage: Just eat those suitcases and have them surgically removed afterwards. Always works for me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:26 pm

I don't know...I'm "normal-weight", but I really can't believe that overweight people WANT to be overweight. Aching backs, aching knees and other health issues dragging along all the time. People staring, problems with seating and so on. I can't see why they'd want to put themselves through it. As posted earlier, most of these cases are caused by genetic, psychological or related to other problems. Why "punish" people because of the way they are created?

Hell...why not charge people by the rate of their stupidness instead?


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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:36 pm

While in theory that is correct, does anyone have detailed numbers of how many pound
-excess luggage
-excess carry-on
-obesity
indeed make?
And how that really influences the economics of a flight?
For example how each extra ton of weight adds to the costs?

I sure believe, that this is a factor, so far I have been lucky and not had a seatmate who squeezed me, but it sure is obvious, some seats are too small, or people too big...
Or is that an attempt to get more money, in times of bad loads, high costs and terrible fuel costs? But then, please be honest and raise the fares about $5, I don't care, I am flying transatlantic several times a year, what is an extra $5? Nothing.

So, I would really be interested in knowing, what obesity and other sources of overweight in flying make in $...
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:44 pm

i can smell this from a mile away....passenger sues and airline because the drugs he/she took to lose weight to pay less for a ticket has hurt them for life and made them sick.... someone is bound to take that route!

I am built myself and when i fly on an MD88 i request that i dont get the middle seat because it would be easier for me to feed the person next to me than to bring the fork or peanut to my mouth because i would give someone a black eye.

I flew on Delta a long time ago and sat in 38C on an MD88 from DAB-ATL. The entire flight was full of 100lbs cheerleader from the annual competition they had in daytona. The only overwight guy was sitting next to me at 38B. I asked the flight attendant if she could switch me out with a cheerleader seeing as there were 130 of them and 2 of us..... she said she was not allowed to do that. I was like WHAT? this guy's reading a newpaper, i got the sports page in my face and the person at 38A is leaning into the window can taste the headlines.... so i ws like PLEASE you can fit 2 cheerleaders into this seat and she said, sorry you have to ask someone yourself to switch, we are not allowed to disturb a passenger for this kind of matter. I ws FURIOUS, i told her that i would fly standing up. She said, ok it;s your safety though. So i stood up, for take off i was standing at the back of the MD88 and for the 45 min flight i stood up. I didnt even sit down for landing in my seat, i sat on the seat rest on the aisle. talk about busting regulations huh? Non of the F/A were even noticing.....but they took the time to make an announcement on the PA to congratulate the cheerleader teams on their success...
i went to a high ranking person at Delta in ATL the same morning. Told them my story, also told them that i couldnt change my seat online like i usually can for some reason seat assignment was blocked on that flight..probably bc the cheerleaders were considered as one big group. Anyways they said that all this was not acceptable... plus isn't that a lie? I see F/As ALL THE TIME when they change seats for pax, when families are separated. I've been flying for years and years and and i never complain seeing as im inside the industry, this was my first ever complaint! The guy next to me had his leg 1/3 of the way into my seat area and his belly was stopping the tray from coming down....

the ironic part is...when i first tried to sit down...the large guy turned to me and said... funny how delta puts the 2 biggest guys next to each other on the flight huh? of course he probably doesnt know that seating is randomized on the computer....

any inputs?
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:41 pm

Why not have a ground fee for the seat and then add fee for luggage and
personal weight..
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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:54 pm

Gordon Bethune fianlly now has someone else to blame for the airline industry's problems!  Yeah sure

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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:21 pm

Pilotaydin, somehow I think you were more interested in having cheerleaders sat either side of you, than you not wanting big men next to you! I find it hard to believe that you were allowed to stand up though.

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RE: Fatter Passengers Raising Airlines Fuel Costs

Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:23 pm

This topic was well discussed yesterday:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1807639/

A quick search down the list of topics would have found it.
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