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American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:02 pm

Just heard on WCBS Channel 2. Flight from Miami...50 miles from JFK. 5 injuries, thankfully none life threatening. Anyone have details?

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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:06 pm

just saw the report on NBC New York myself.........they said 11 injuries, sounded fairly serious for a flight coming into JFK from MIA
 
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:32 pm

same here, just caught it on abc. makes me wonder what they hit. or maybe it was the pilot getting bored and snap-rolling the airplane.
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:37 pm

Several PIREPs show up for the past few hours:

DCA UUA /OV SWL /TM 0038 /FL 190 /TP B757 /TB MDT-SVR

DCA UUA /OV OTT085030 /TM 2306 /FL 220 /TP A320 /TB MOD-SVR

ORF UA /OV JAMIE /TM 2320 /FL 200 /TP GLF5 /TB MOD

ORF UA /OV SWL 360010/TM 0042/FL170/TP B757/TB MOD/RM FM ZDC CWSU

DOV UA /OV ENO /TM 2303 /FL 240 /TP E145 /TB MOD

BAF UUA /OV CTR/TM 0057/FL210/TP C750/TB MOD-SEV


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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:09 pm

Anyone hear anything else? It was on Fox 5 last night, too, and then nothing this morning. Can't find it in the Post, either.
 
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:15 pm

Got a little blow going on up there. Local weather reports refer to this as a Genesis Storm. The low over Nova Scotia has bloomed into a real wind producer. Going to make a few folks a tad green in their seats. Hope they didn't have a preflight meal at Taco-Bell! ;(
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:59 pm

Hello,

It was a sad night for American Airlines at my JFK hub. With the news of what happened to my fellow cabin crew members my heart really does go our to their family and friends.

This is a side to flying which you cant help, no matter how big the aircraft is or how well the pilots are flying Mother Nature will always be there...

While I have never experienced turbulence this bad, I have been injured two times. The first time was on decent into KJFK and the second time was while cruise sing over the north Atlantic. The first time I just hit my head on a seat pylon, however the second time I dislocated my right shoulder (this was a few years back now).

Hopefully if passengers listen to the news reports more of them will start buckling up during the flight!

Kate
 
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:59 pm

4Left

What you meant (or they meant) was Bombogenesis. Technically, it's when the pressure drops 24mb in 24 hours.

You can see it is a rather steep pressure gradient so I guess we've got BOMBOGENESIS today in the northeast! The stupid thing made me cancel my flight this morning too.



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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:05 pm

Several PIREPs show up for the past few hours:

DCA UUA /OV SWL /TM 0038 /FL 190 /TP B757 /TB MDT-SVR

DCA UUA /OV OTT085030 /TM 2306 /FL 220 /TP A320 /TB MOD-SVR

ORF UA /OV JAMIE /TM 2320 /FL 200 /TP GLF5 /TB MOD

ORF UA /OV SWL 360010/TM 0042/FL170/TP B757/TB MOD/RM FM ZDC CWSU

DOV UA /OV ENO /TM 2303 /FL 240 /TP E145 /TB MOD

BAF UUA /OV CTR/TM 0057/FL210/TP C750/TB MOD-SEV


As this forum is a great place to learn, would you mind please deciphering what this means?

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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:52 am

Kate,

First off Welcome to A.net! Great to see such successful women on a.net! Give these guys a run for their $$.

Secondly are you saying that crew members were the ones that were hurt? If you could please expand on this that'd be great. If not that's ok too.

Thanks again Kate and WELCOME!

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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:15 am

Mirrodie

Here's what a PIREP entails:

UUA or UA UUA is urgent and UA is routine.

/OV is the location. You can be right over an airport or a VOR or say what radial and distance from one you are.

/TM time in GMT.

/FL Flight level (altitude). Unknown shows up at UNKN.

/TP Type of aircraft that made the report.

/SK Sky cover. Lots of different cloud descriptions could be in this one, like OVC-070 TOP UNKN or something else.

Weather & Visibility. - is light, nothing is moderate, and + is heavy. There could be RA for rain, BR for mist, etc.

/TA Temperature in celcius.

/WV Wind velocity. The direction from which it's blowing and the speed in knots, such as 280025KT.

/TB Turbulence. LGT, MOD, SEV, EXTRM.

/IC Icing. LGT, MOD, SEV, and RIME, CLR, or MIX.

/RM Remarks. Maybe clarify something from the other categories, or give a more detailed description like "+/-10 kts on final to runway 35 at 200 AGL". Some funny things in the remarks sometimes, too. I've seen "Smooth as a baby's bottom" and also "Worst [turbulence] in 40 years of flying."

Hope that helps! I elected not to fly today because it was 28025G32KT for a runway 32. Now you should know what I mean!


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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:43 am

Last night I was on LH 419 IAD-FRA and as soon as we got near NYC it got bad and remained bad for 2 and a half hours. The FAs were in their seats for that long. An overhead bin came open and spilled, people screaming. Thankfully no injuries. I have never been on a flight where it was so bad for so long. It lasted that long and where the FAs had to remain seated for that long. Even after that period we had periods of turbulance all the way to FRA, but the worst of it was on the east coast. In short I am not at all surprised to hear of other flights encountering the same situation.
 
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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:51 am

Takeoff yesterday morning from LGA on B6 371 was shaky as well, and got pretty rough skimming the cloud tops around FL220

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RE: American Flight With Turbulence Over JFK

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:05 am

I flew through one of these on an AA A300 from San Juan to JFK three years ago. A front had passed off the coast, with a real deep low pressure system out in the mid-Atlantic. Didn't know there was a name for it. Bombogenesis...what a great name. It was over an hour of real kick-butt turbulence with stuff falling from overhead bins and people getting sick and crying. Not fun. Maybe the should call it Pukeogenesis.

I have been told that the A-300-600 has a stiffer wing than most other aircraft, which make is it a little rougher in these conditions. Not sure if that is true, and would love to see it verified or denied by those in the know. I also agree that you should ALWAYS have the seat belt fastened, but I don't understand why turbulence always hits when I'm in the lav.  Smile

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