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Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:09 pm

My wife and I just did the cramped shuffle aboard an AA MD-80. What a heap! 3.5 hours in a cigar tube and AA claimed it was one of the "extended room" versions. Yeah sure! And whoopee we got a granola bar on an 0800 flight! And nothing on a 1200 flight. Hell Southwest is a bargain. At least you know you'll get nothing and probably pay $99.

To all you airline ops, GET RID OF THE "SUPER 80's"!!!

Thanks for listening

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:16 pm

Hmmm that would be quite a hassle as they have around 350 of them....

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:19 pm

I found the S80's quite comfortable, i flew EWR-MIA on one and enjoyed it. It was the MoreRoom as well so I did enjoy that bit extra leg room to move around, then again I did have an exit row isle to my self.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:19 pm

You sure don't get much these days.....
I agree with your impression of the MD-80, when it's full there is just this feeling of being in a sardine can, no where to go to escape. But they are not too bad when they're not filled up. I can only go about an hour on one of these full aircraft.
As far as food goes, that's all you get these days unless you are on a transcon, and then you may only get a cold sandwich. Unless you upgrade to First Class, you get what you pay for.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:22 pm

as they have around 350 of them....

Point very well made!
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:34 pm

I think 2 hours is all I can take in an MD80. They are small!
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:38 pm

I love the Super-80, especially in front of the wing where it is quiet. I'd fly transcon in one of these anyday.

I hope AA has these for many years to come.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:42 pm

I too don't care for the "Super 80s" I feel them to be cramped, & uncomfortable. I don't see what's so super about them. I mean the farthest they can go Is probably LAX-DTW or somewhere like that before they run out of gas. No thanks I prefer to fly a plane where I know it will last before it runs out of gas.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:44 pm

LOL! That was funny, Allegiant will take any 80 you don't want!
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:49 pm

Hello,

I have spent quite a few years flying on these aircraft as I am a senior FA for American.

I must admit on some aircraft they are showing their age, but they are a good aircraft to work on (as long as your not too tall!).

If you think some of AA's MD80's are not that much older then some A320's, they are showing their age quite badly Embarrassment(

As for removing the 'super 80', I don't think we should have to. Its a Super aircraft that does a super job! lol... If all company's had to remove titles that could be miss leading it would be a nightmare! I mean we have Continental Express, that's not express because it never arrives on time!

One question, what makes a super 80 a non super 80?

Kate.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:57 pm

Id rather be on the two seat side (window for me always) of a full MD80 than the window seat of a full 737 or A320.

I love MD80s and would say they are one of my favorite planes these days.

Regarding food, I always assume Im not going to get anything and take my own snacks and get this,,,I then have something to eat  Big grin.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:00 pm

Yeah many of us would love to see AA order a mix of 717s and 73Gs to replace the 350 MD-80s, but its NOT going to happen when AA is practically operating in the red, if they aren't already.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:05 pm


Like or it not; the Super 80s will be around for a very long time.  Smile
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:21 pm

I'd take an MD80 over a 737 any day. Love the 2+3 seating.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:23 pm

Personally, I will take an MD-80 any day over an RJ. In coach on any airline you are insane to expect food anymore, so take your own. Also, AA is one of my preferred airlines, meaning I will pay signifigantly more to be on them because in my experience the check in people are at least friendly, the flight attendants are both decent looking and relatively friendly, the equipment doesn't look like it is going to fall out of the sky (not that looks mean anything) and here is the important part: They get me and my bags where I want to go more or less on time.


Southwest is good too, however, with Southwest you are limited on where you can go.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:16 am

I like the Super 80 a lot, if anything, because my favorite airline flies them. Seriously though, they are very comfortable planes, provided you're not sitting back by the engine. Very quiet and smooth on take off.

The 2-3 seating is especially nice as it makes it feel like there aren't as many people there, compared to 3-3 seating. Plus it's really nice if you're traveling with one other person and you get on the 2 side, as you don't have to worry about jumping over someone if you have to use the restroom.

The S80s are also far more comfortable than any regional jet in spaciousness and the "feel" of a bigger cabin. I've yet to fly on the new Embraer 170, but I think that will be just as comfortable as a mainline plane.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:27 am

Super 80 is super- as long as you are not in the back buy the engines! Also- they make a lot of noise around the wing- some kind of hydraulic pump?
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:38 am

Hell Southwest is a bargain

Sure it is, thats comparing apples to oranges.  Insane

Any somewhat educated person knows that the 2 products are different.

AA claimed it was one of the "extended room" versions. Yeah sure! And whoopee we got a granola bar on an 0800 flight! And nothing on a 1200 flight.
Since when did AA ever claim the MD-80 to be MRTC? Where did that claim come from? Perhaps AAKAte can verify if MRTC was on the MD-80. I know it was removed a while ago right?

And you're crying about the food you didn't get on a flight? Since 9/01, its been like that. Sounds like someone hasn't been on an aircraft in a while.

If you want to relish in what airline travel was once capable of, read: "Airline : Design, Identity and Culture." Or better yet, man up and buy first class or you should have flown Cocnorde once in your life.

But please don't degrade the forum with such a mundane rant.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:58 am

AA MD80's in fact do have MRTC. They only removed them from the A300s and 757's.

MD80 coach: 34-35.0" pitch 17.5" width.

B757 coach: 31.0" pitch 17.2" width

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:05 am

The superiority of the MD-80 became apparent to me on one trip when I flew back-to-back segments on a Delta MD-88 then a Delta 733. The MD-88 clearly felt like it had more seat width (slightly), and it had greater pitch, because I could reach forward and pull my backpack out from under the seat and up in front of my legs in the MD-88. I couldn't do that in the 733. I had to pull it out to the side into the aisel (since I had an aisle seat). It was also noticeably quieter.

The 2-3 seating rules. MD-80s are superior to 737s, in my opinion (especially their contemporaries, the 733-4-5), just like how the MD-90's interior is superior to the 737NGs and A32X.

Just try to avoid the last few rows.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:07 am

Dear 4Left

I don't know where you're going, but I'll tell ya what, why don't ya hop on a B6 flight? Sit in the back half of the aircraft, enjoy the 34in seat pitch and all the cookies, snacks, chips, soda, juice and water you can intake!

Sometimes you get what you pay for, and sometimes you don't!

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:10 am

I would have to agree with MD-90...

It makes life easy when you are working on an aircraft that has 2+3... Only issue is sometime, if the seat belt light has been left on queues can start and what that happens there is not much space at all.

While I don't work on the MD80 aircraft any more I will always have a place in my heart for them, got to love the noise towards the rear of the aircraft...

Kate
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:22 am

Akjetblue: Have pity on the poor guy...since he's a Red Sox fan, he's most likely in a foul mood over the election!!

And speaking of having a John Kerry mindset...why would you blame an airplane for the quantity/quality of the food served on it???
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:22 am

I flew on an MD-80 from Dallas to Seattle and it was quite comfortable...if you don't like it then either pay for first class or find a different airline. YOU are the one that chose to fly them--You also know that if you want to eat on a plane that you simply go to the food stand or whatever and take it aboard with you, with the airline business in the hole that it is in now i sure as hell don't expect much...i just want to get from point A to point B.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:26 am

The 2-3 seating rules. MD-80s are superior to 737s, in my opinion (especially their contemporaries, the 733-4-5), just like how the MD-90's interior is superior to the 737NGs and A32X.

Add to that better fuel efficiency, you just explained why Boeing drove a stake through the heart of the MD90, they were a little better than the 738, which is why AS, and DL placed initial orders.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:31 am

Ok, first off, those super 80s are probably the main reason AA is doing as well as it is (not going into Ch. 11). They are very, very fuel efficient, haul a good number of passengers and are fully, fully paid for. They are a bit like the NW DC-9s, just not as old and even more important to AA. Also, the reason AA calls them the Super 80 is because they introduced them when they were still known as the DC-9-Super 80 and decided not to switch to MD-80 when the name was changed.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:33 am

I have flown on MD-80/90 series frequently and found them to be comfortable and quiet. I have flown them on DL, AA, TWA. ALl were nice, but I think DL's were about the nicest of the bunch.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:58 am

I have heard the MD-80 called the K-Mart 727. This was in reference to the quality of the interior and cockpit.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:18 am

I was never an MD-80 fan until I flew in the ERJ. With some "regional" routes now extending well past 2 hours, count your blessings if you get a full size aircraft.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:21 am

I'm sure AA would have no problem in removing some 350 MD-80's because 4Left doesn't like them. It's just my opinion, but a major carrier is not going to invest billions in a certain type of aircraft without taking things into account including customer opinion. I'm an airplane geek, but when I'm inside an MD-80. a 737, or a 757 etc. I cannot tell the difference other than the 2-3 V 3-3 seating. I've felt just as cramped or just as comfortable on all mainline jets. I can understand not liking a particular type...no problem. To each their own, but to start saying they need to dump the type is absurd.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:23 am


Citation : LOL!!!!

Super nothing!

Light weight softies that glide.

Not that I'm saying 737's are gods gift, but I do feel a LOT safer and comfortable on a 737. No more than 2 hours is ok, but not longer.

Maybe a good idea would be to base them at DFW and fly them throughout the midwest only.

Getting off an AA 777 onto a 737 is fine, cause its expected. Off a 777 onto a MD80??? American, what were you thinking?

 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:00 am

The MD-80 is a far superior plane to travel oncompared to 737 or 320.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:07 am

This is for all who have taken my rant the wrong way. I don't like the MD-80, never have and never will. I would be overjoyed to see the plane retired to the boneyard. Is that a reality? Nope. If I ran AA and I had a paid for fleet I'd run them into the ground and to hell with the paying customer. But the airlineswho fly them can drop a few $$ into the fleet and upgrade the amenities.

A word of advice to those who run/work for the airlines, from someone in the corporate world. Dump the underperforming routes,upgrade your service, even if it is cosmetic and stop whining.

BTW, my candidate won...  Smile
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:11 am

I have a really good idea. Do not fly on one again.
You will be much happier and we will not have to read your idiotic ranting.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:21 am

The reason for the Super 80 name is that the plane was called, originally, the DC-9-Super 80, in part because it had far greater range than the other series of DC-9s.

I think AA called them Super 80s, because of the DC-10 crash at ORD. If AA could avoid putting "DC" anywhere, then people might not realize that it was from the same factory as the DC-10s.

The MD-80s have been very profitable for AA, because they are are very flexible and reliable. Because of AA's finances, they are going to be around for a number of years, especially since TW's fleet is rather young. It's possible that the aircraft delivered in the early and mid 80s might be retired within the next few years and replaced with some model of the 737NG, but the vast majority of the fleet will in AA colors.

I don't like the MD-80s on long-haul flights from ORD to say LAX, SFO, SEA, or LAS. The planes don't have IFE, and the overhead bins on the MD-80s are smaller than those on the 737s and 757s. And my understanding is that the first-class galley is not capable of meal service as elaborate as on the 737s, 757s, and 767s.

But, even with the coming reduction in MRTC, they will still have legroom that is above the industry average, and the coach seats are better than on UA, NW, DL, and CO.

As for food service, I saw an interview with Gordon Bethune in the WSJ in the last month or two. He thinks once the industry has gone through its shake-out (i.e., Chapter 7 for some carriers), the legacy carriers will be better able to price fares to match their costs. So, food service might return, simply as a means of differentiating the legacy carrers from the LCCs. It won't be as elaborate as when the airlines made money in the late 90s, but it will be better than peanuts and pretzels.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:23 am

You will be much happier and we will not have to read your idiotic ranting.

How about not reading my idiotic ranting?

Remember this is all in good fun amigo...
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:23 am

I have heard the MD-80 called the K-Mart 727. This was in reference to the quality of the interior and cockpit.

Again, since an aircraft's interior is airline specific, that statement is absurd.

This is for all who have taken my rant the wrong way...blah, blah,...and stop whining.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:31 am

Why did you take that flight in the first place? Obviously of your own free will. Somehow I doubt Southwest could have gotten you there quite as easily, otherwise you would have flown them.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:38 am

"Why did you take that flight in the first place? Obviously of your own free will. Somehow I doubt Southwest could have gotten you there quite as easily, otherwise you would have flown them."

My wife made the reservations...

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:10 am

4Left,

A twisted view of WHAT? You can't even spell aviation correctly and yet you want to tell them how to run it?

You're right--this is good fun!
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:56 am

I must be the only one who enjoys sitting in the MD80s in the back. I love to sit in row 26 or 27 on the right side near the engines. Or exit row is good, too. Something about the engines makes it comfy for me to sleep because it drowns out the noises and snores of other passengers. Then again I also sleep with a fan on at night running full speed for the noise.

I like flying them for short distances mostly but really, anymore, what difference does it make? I guess this preference comes from the fact that I fly often up to Chicago when the fares are hella great and hop on an AA MD80 from STL. I've done nonstop STL-Phoenix a few times and really, anymore, you just don't get a whole lot when you fly...or if you do you have to pay for it by spending $5 or however much the airline charges for the movie or for the in flight tv. Sometimes that can be nice if you are going a further distance as I have flown America West nonstop STL-Phoenix and found the film, along with the planes adding some more comfort to the trip. Airlines are hit or miss depending on what you want. Of course I'd love to watch the tv when I fly the 3 hours out to Los Angeles for my trip in the next few months, but rather than having to connect in Phoenix or Denver, I'd rather just get on and go and get there and of course, collect my miles.









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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:46 am

I love the Super 80 on the 4-hr flts up to SEA. I always sit in the back with the engines. They aren't too loud but they are loud enough the people around me don't try to talk to me the whole way up there. Always great for sleep. I think AA needs more of 'em.  Smile
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:57 am

I love the MD-80s. I hate the 737s. At least the MD-80 has 3 and 2 seating. I hate the 3 and 3 seating like on the 737 and airbus planes. I also love the sound of the 80s.

By the way, the airbus planes are crap! Just ask the mechanics.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:56 am

I'll take 3-4 hours in a tube over two to three days in a car every day of the week!!!
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:15 am

4Left,

The one thing you said that I agree with is that you are ranting. You are making no valid points WHATSOEVER about safety concerns of the MD-80.

Nikv69,

Yep, send em our way and we will continue to be one of the few airlines currently in the black.

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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:03 am

I don't understand the beef with the Super 80's. Yes theyre cramped for a 3.5 hour flight but what aircraft isnt in the coach cabin? The 738, 757, 767 all have roughly the same pitch in the main cabin.. only difference between them and the S80 is IFE. If thats the case then why not bring a book, laptop, or portable DVD player? Might as well enjoy the More Room throughout Coach while ya can because its going to be done away with in the next year!
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:16 am

I don't know what you're talking about. I've been on two flights with the AA MD-80 and both were exceptional. Seats were comfortable, ride was smooth and quiet (I did sit up near the front of the coach cabin), service is good enough for a US domestic flight (hell, I'll take a granola bar over tiny bag of stale pretzels), and the service was pleasant in the air and on the ground. Got it all for a pretty decent fare, too. I wouldn't hesitate to fly on AA again.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:15 am

I guess it's all relative. If you'd ever spent 7 hours on a Herc, you'd never complain about noise or uncomfortable seats! The trip was on "the Company" though, so I can't complain about price. As for food, I find most of the stuff any airline serves on board now is not to my taste, so I usually have some granola bars & a coke in my carry-on.
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:53 am

I survived 3 and a half hours on Allegiant with nothing but pretzels for food and a 30" seat pitch.
 
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RE: Lose The "Super 80's"

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:14 pm

AA went through a period where they removed seats out of most of their aircraft to allow more legroom..i thought the 80s,had some removed as well,and they slowly started to put them back in. They bragged on the legroom for the longest.... But if im not mistaken they have put those seats back in those planes,,,,any AA guys out there Know what happend
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