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$208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:12 am

Read this!

http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&news_id=dji-00086620041105&feed=dji&date=20041105&cat=INDUSTRY

Thats $432,000 per year. No wonder the airlines are seeking more pay cuts. I seriously doubt if Southwest would pay that for an A-330 or 7e7 pilot if they had the type.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:17 am

Flying hours... they don't work 40 hours a week.
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:17 am

Um, first off, the article was wrong in saying that they have pay scales for the A330-800 and -900, no such thing is even proposed. They may, however, have scales for the A380-800 and -900.

Second, you based their pay on 40 hours a week, which pilots don't work. Normal is 80 hours per month, if that, so you should cut that pay in half at the very least. Actually, WN pays on the high side of the average for 737/A320 pilots, including about twice as much as US under their newest pilot robbery.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:22 am

Second, you based their pay on 40 hours a week, which pilots don't work. Normal is 80 hours per month, if that, so you should cut that pay in half at the very least. Actually, WN pays on the high side of the average for 737/A320 pilots, including about twice as much as US under their newest pilot robbery.

80 hours a month, thanks for the clarification on the hours; it still works out to about $200,00 a year. Thats as much as a senior VP at most companies I know of. How is that a rip-off? Sounds like a great living to me.



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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:23 am

I don't know how you did your math but its no where near $432,000. If they get paid $208/hr they are probably guaranteed 75 hours a month. (Some airlines only guarantee 72). 208*75=$15,600/month. $15,600/month*12 months=$187,200/year. That is still a lot of money but a little off your projection. Also, this article is talking about Northwest...not Southwest. I hope to see that 7e7 soon!!! It would look amazing in NWA and KLM colors!!
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:43 am

"Second, you based their pay on 40 hours a week, which pilots don't work. Normal is 80 hours per month, if that,"


Pilots only get paid for about 80 hours per month. We work a lot more than that. I was on duty an average of over 40 hours per week last month.
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:23 am

My post about WN was as a comparison to NW and other "legacy" carriers who claim their labor costs are too high to make money. BTW, AS, who just reported a very nice profit also pay their pilots very, very well. $208 is a nice living, but like Bucky said, they actually work a lot more than the hours they are paid. Think about it this way, I am in law school and when all is said and done, I will have paid about $110K for school and will, at the most, take responsibability for 50-100 lives at any one time. An airline pilot pays something like $150K for their schooling and takes responsability for closer to 200 lives several times a day and will still make less than I will, all while being responsible for multi-million dollar assets and the reputation for a massive corporation that relies on its public image to gain business. They deserve every cent they make, and really more.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:40 am

Pilots only get paid for about 80 hours per month. We work a lot more than that. I was on duty an average of over 40 hours per week last month

Bucky is correct. We all see the $200+ an hour and think flight crews are rolling in money. Which is true to some part, but you also need to remember they are paid only on the Flight Hour. You might say 'Fasten seat belt sign to fasten seat belt sign'. The hours spent in the crew room in between flights, or on weather delays they do not get paid.....The time spent in Flight Planning to Debrief they are not paid. I think I read some where that for every one hour of flight time, they average 2 hours of non paid time, so there actual 'working average' is more then the standard 2020 hrs per year.

..and no, that would be $208,000 a year (or there about) as flight crews can fly no more then 1000hrs a year.

[Edited 2004-11-05 23:45:37]
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:46 am

Bucky707
An average of 40 hours a week they kept you very busy.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:48 am

Some people just do not understand what this means. That rate is for hours that the engines are running ONLY. Pilots (from what I have seen and read) are doing job-related work and are away from home FAR more hours than what they are paid for. A also, pilots spend circa 100,000 USD to get their training in order to be elidgible for a paid flying job. Most pilots get paid MUCH, MUCH less than that figure which you stated for their ENTIRE career (possibly with the exception of the last few years). Pilots working at some regionals (especially first officers) qualify for food stamps! Can you imaging how insulted they would be if everyone in the public says that they get paid so much for such a "virtually part-time job(I mean they only work 80 hours a month!)" and they are the reasons that the airlines are doing bad? Also, the money to pay the crew is, I would guess, less than 10% of your ticket cost on an airline. The crews' pay is not soley responsible for airlines doing bad. There are pilots out there (a majority I might add) that get paid JACK SQUAT for working their rears off for the airline while CEOs and management take multi-million dollar bonuses. That coupled with high fuel costs are whats making the airlines suffer right now, NOT pilot pay. Not even by a longshot!

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:03 am

Let's put further perspective. I know educational "consultants" (basically, an experienced teacher who can motivate groups of adults to change their minds) who make at least 100 an hour, and possibly even more than 208 an hour, depending on who employs you. The difference in training and experience, along with responsibility, is huge. I would say pilots are underpaid. Also, I know sales people (who may not even have attended college) who make more than 200K a year.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:04 am

I was told that senior Air Canada and Canadian Airline Pilots get paid CAD $ 175,000 per year (during the merger time)...any truth to that.

U must also remember that alongwith the pilots salary, no matter how high or low it is, they get free 4-5 star hotel accommodation if its a medium or long haul flight + a spending allowance especially on Intl transatlantic-pacific flights and a few other bonuses here and there as well.

 
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:57 am

 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:34 pm

I picked up that iwon virus on that thread,
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:16 pm

What is the flying cap at NW per month? I'm sure senior captains aren't even logging the maximum amount.

A pilot must be pretty tenured at his respected airline to be pulling over $200k a year. I'm not sure of the percentage of pilots doing so, much it's not a huge amount I can tell you that.

My CFI is an International Captain and Check Airman on the 757 and 767 for
AA and has been with the company for 26 years. I finally got him to tell me he's making alittle over $200k a year.

Must be nice.

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:19 pm

When are non-pilots gonna get their heads out of their asses and actually

1. know what they're talking about, and
2. stop thinking every pilot makes that cushy $200,000 a year.


Pilots are underpaid as it is. Ask a Skywest or Mesaba pilot what he makes. Airline pilots will make good money after being there for a lot of years. Only the gray-hairs will be making that 200,000 a year..and only a few years before retirement.

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:40 pm

Based on those pay scales, why are DL pilots paid so much more? Based on 12-years on a 772 a pilot at DL is paid $320/hr compared to AA at $193/hr.......no wonder they are bleeding money. How can you compete at those rates?
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:05 pm

The irony as to the cost of pilot labor is that if you are a large company, and need to hire a lawyer, you are going to get billed by that attorney or firm $400/ hour or even more for top trial partners. You will be billed easily $200/hr for junior associates. They in turn get about 1/3rd of that. Worse, you pay for every hour they are at the job at work, and are not limited in the hours per day, week or month for their services. In some contengency situations, these attorneys may make several times over $200/hour with their 1/3rd of the total judgment of they may win. The corporate defendant may have to get the $400/hour partner to defend vs. John Edwards types.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:37 pm

Ltbewr-

Apparently the attorney... or at least the market says so.

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:59 pm

i know some pilots over here that get angry if they don't fly 250-300 hrs per month! US pilots have it easy.
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:22 pm

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:31 pm

When are non-pilots gonna get their heads out of their asses and actually

1. know what they're talking about, and
2. stop thinking every pilot makes that cushy $200,000 a year.


Apparently you haven't the way you talk, sounds like yours is still up there.

Also no one said, "all pilots make $200k a year" so chill out.

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:37 pm

that website for airliner pilots pay is bunk anways I think. It needs to be SERIOUSLY updated...its a joke.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:52 pm

In the post Nine-Eleven economy, airlines really need to reconsider the pilot payscale, with fuel prices as high as they are and poor management something has gotta give. If you're not going to give more money (when you actually make a profit) to the guys loading your luggage, and checking you in at the counter, the F/As keeping you safe on the aircraft or the guys putting fuel in your plane, then the pilots probably shouldn't being getting a pay increase either.

Here's a little something to think about:

My dream is to be a pilot. Funny thing is that I'd do it for what I'm making now. Actually, I'd do it for a lot less. As long as my bills were paid, and my partner and I had food to eat... I'd pretty much do it for free.

I understand that not every pilot makes over $200k a year, some work the clock to their favor, some don't. Some pilots love their job, some don't.

I know pilots making a lot more than $200k a year, and a lot of pilots making a heck of a lot less. IMHO $100k to $250k is a good average of what's really going on with pilots pay. But for me, working an airline operation on the ground with customers, bags and whatever else is take to get me in that seat will be worth it to me. Cuz right now it would take me 6-10 years to make what some pilots can make in a year. In all honesty I really love to fly, and to be able to do what I love for a job would be better than any gift anyone could give me.

Let me just say this:

If you're a pilot working for an airline, making big bucks or small: don't take your job for granted! Remember that there are people who would give anything to sit in that seat, and will do anything to get your job. Think about the next time you're upset that you're pay got cut from $200k to $100k. It might change your way of living, but you still have the dream job of thousands of people that can't afford flight school. You're still making 4 to 10 times what i'm earning, while I make sure you, your aircraft, your crew and customer are safe on the ground while you're in my city.

See you guys later when I'm in the left seat,

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:16 pm

I was chatting with a BA pilot here in San Francisco and he told me that he can only work maximum 900 hours/year...which is around 75 hours/month...which turns out to be around 35-40 round trips from SFO-LHR per year.

He gave me an intersting quote: "if you want to fly for enjoyement, join the RAF, and if you want to fly for a good living, fly commercial aviation".....
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:19 pm

Yes, and these same BA pilots earning vast salaries and working up to 75 hrs a month then berate the BA cabin crew who work up to 168 hours a month for slightly higher sickness levels  Angry
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:46 pm

folks,

over 1/2 of pilots are flying RJ's in commercial aviation now.

Captians 60K Except those poor Mesa guys making ALOT less.

F/O 25K to 30K if you are lucky

this is the reality.

most F/O's on big equipment make about 80K to 120K not bad, but they don;t get there until after 7-12 years flying for the regionals or worse.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:47 pm

"Bucky707
An average of 40 hours a week they kept you very busy"


Hey, I'm not complaining. I just hate it when misinformed people think airline pilots only "work" 80 hours a month, when it is far from the truth.
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:41 am

No one ever seems to consider what it takes to get the "80 hrs" a month for a pilot. Duty rigs at UA are running around 360 hrs. a month right now to get 90hrs of flying time. That's 360 hrs away from base and most importantly, away from HOME. That is a lot more than 160 hrs that a normal person works at 40 hrs a week. I'm not complaining, it's just a fact. We do it because it still is a great job and we love it. It is very true that a small percentage of pilots make that kind of money and when you factor in the amount of time it took you to get there and the money spent to get the job in training and schooling, it's fair. Nobody complains about a doctor or lawyer making that kind of money. Being an airline pilot is equally as professional as those jobs. It also takes just as long to become as a doctor or lawyer. Best of all, when you have a doctor or lawyer on board, you have their respect! The biggest problem is that people have taken the attitude that airline pilots are just bus drivers in the sky, which is just crap. Nobody takes into account the responsibility and ACCOUNTABILITY of flying a jet propelled tube through the sky at 500mph. Bus drivers have no where near this responsibility and accountability! No job is harder to get and easier to lose than being an airline pilot, along with the continous training and recertification that is involved. It is still fun though!
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:01 am

Dayflyer, why do you begrudge pilots that $208 per hour? As others in this forum, especially the pilots, have pointed out, they DO NOT get paid for any time spent outside their aircraft.

Attorneys charge $150/hr. and up. Many charge $300/hr. Are they any more deserving of their high pay than an airline pilot who puts his/her life on the line as well as the lives of hundreds of passengers per day? Is a professional athlete who earns $5 mil. per season any more deserving to earn their exhorbitant income than the airline pilot?

To put this simply, pilots earn their pay every time they get into that cockpit. I'm not a pilot, but I admire and respect them greatly. The risks they take are ones they were willing to face when they decided to pilot commercial aircraft. However, those risks are many times greater than the majority of the workforce in this country who earn as much or greater than the average pilot.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:03 am

I won't argue professional pilot salaries with someone who's hobbies include X-Box.

"I'd pretty much do it for free."

And that's one of the problems with the industry today. Too many pilots are willing to whore themselves for barely any pay, and that hurts the rest of the pilots. And it's not just a select few. Heck, if someone came up to me today and said they'd pay me 5 bucks an hour to fly Cherokees around the midwest delivering bankchecks, I'd do it (but I wouldn't make a career out of it). The corp. guys know pilots love aviation, and they're taking advantage of it. Look at Mesa. Look at Comair--making pilots pay for their training (hopefully that's not still happening there). Anyone who pays for their own training with an airline is letting the airline screw them. So when people bitch about pilots making 200,000 a year, it pisses me off, because half of the time, the critics have never gone through the required training to become a pilot. In other words, they don't know what they're talking about.

I can say the same about doctors. Why should so many doctors make a heavy salary? I mean, diagnosing the flu everyday isn't that hard. They come home at 5 every night, go to work at 9AM. You're paid for what you know, and paid for what you do. You're paid for both when you're a pilot.


FSP

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:18 am

Pilot pay equaling their responsibility and training? In that case why doesn't an aircraft mechanic make a whole lot more than he does? No one thinks of the people who actually maintain that aluminum tube going 500 MPH 40k feet in the air. They are responsible not only for that flight but when the airplane is on the ground, before and after each and every flight. When does this maintenance occur? When you are not flying, mostly nights seven days a week, and yes holidays included. Amt's are away from their families just as much, although they may be right down the street.
 
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:21 am

For a pilot to make his or her bones they must pay the piper first. This is not unlike any other profession. Hell even hookers need to work up to the big bucks. $200K is not a lot of money these days, factor in families, maybe an ex-wife or two, college, loans etc and Mr. $200K is looking at robbing the food cart for snacks. (Just like all other working stiffs) We all live up to or over our earning level. I don't hear anyone pissing about the money doctor's or entertainers make.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:25 am

As an Airline CEO/CFO my first priority is to ensure the continuing existence of the airline. That said, ALL costs, including pilot pay scales, would be reviewed and cut. Why cut? Simple. Labor is the largest VARIABLE line item on the balance sheet and the easiest to reduce quickly so its logical to start there. For a pilot to make US$200K per annum is outrageous no matter what type of plane he flies over how long a distance. That said, pilots are an integral part of an airline's operating network. Ultimately it comes down to "If you want to continue to fly for us, be prepared to make pay concessions in these tough times, otherwise there are NO guarantees you will be around in 3 months time and you know the only skill you have to offer the world is JUST to fly." A pilot's salary should be based on the airline's financial performance since it is the aim of every company (and airlines are JUST going concerns) to maximize PROFITS! Labor is a variable cost and can be easily adjusted. Remember folks... For every $1 the airline spends on a pilots salary, it has to pay another $2 in benefits thus making such a payscale impossible to maintain long-term. A doctor's higher salary, depending on his specialization, is justified since he offers a net benefit to society as a WHOLE and his financial well being does not hinder on company performance. A pilot is an EMPLOYEE whereas a doctor/lawyer is NOT so they set their own salaries/hours and have no set job descriptions, unlike pilots. If my pilots made $200K per year you bet I'd reduce this! Go and fly African charters in Africa or in the Canadian bush if you don't like it.

Just my two cents.
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:49 am

Yu138086

Go and fly African charters in Africa or in the Canadian bush if you don't like it.

What an idiotic statement. In a completely developed, established company or economy you can't just keep telling people to get out or quit if they don't like it. That might make sense initially, but once a whole system is established and working, standards must be set.

Pilots go through an immense amount of training -- not just once, but continually as their career progresses. They are held to very high standards, and even their health is evaluated twice a year. To say that pilots of U.S. air carriers should go to Africa an fly charters or bush planes in Canada is ridiculous. I don't know what your job is, but if your boss said you were overpaid and told you to go to Antarctica if you don't like it where you are now, would you think he has a good idea? Of course not. Wake up.

Regarding the doctor thing: pilots of large aircraft have equal or more responsibility. One mistake can kill a lot of people and destroy a lot of property. If the doctor makes a critical error, does he die? No, but the pilot could.

Maybe you can go to your workplace next time at 6:00PM, work until 4AM, get to sleep at 6AM, wake up after a short 4-6 hours of sleep after that long day, get something to eat, go to sleep, wake up at 1:00AM and work until 2PM and then see if you can two hour plane ride home.

Don't whine about what other people get paid. Or, putting it your way, if they get paid too much, then why don't you go do it yourself.

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:58 pm

To say that pilots of U.S. air carriers should go to Africa an fly charters or bush planes in Canada is ridiculous

Hey, hey, leave us out of this argument!

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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:16 pm

And I am sure you make much more than that 200 grand. Also, like we have said over and over, most pilots don't make 200K. There are a whole bunch who make $16000 as right seats on RJs. The average pilot probably makes about $80,000 a year, and that is fair, if not damn cheap. Considering property values (especially on the coasts), cost of living, transportation costs, education, etc. they need to make that kind of money. Consider that is about the average for ATC, or should we cut their salary too? I really cannot believe that there are people out there who think pilots are the ones to blame for airline's state and should just shut up and take it up the a$$ because of some airline fantasy. These are real people, with real lives and when there are fine examples of airline who pay their pilots, and other workers, and don't constantly ask for cuts in order to survive, there is NO excuse for an airline to demand more.

>As an Airline CEO/CFO my first priority is to ensure the continuing existence of the airline. That said, ALL costs, including pilot pay scales, would be reviewed and cut. Why cut? Simple. Labor is the largest VARIABLE line item on the balance sheet and the easiest to reduce quickly so its logical to start there. For a pilot to make US$200K per annum is outrageous no matter what type of plane he flies over how long a distance. That said, pilots are an integral part of an airline's operating network. Ultimately it comes down to "If you want to continue to fly for us, be prepared to make pay concessions in these tough times, otherwise there are NO guarantees you will be around in 3 months time and you know the only skill you have to offer the world is JUST to fly." A pilot's salary should be based on the airline's financial performance since it is the aim of every company (and airlines are JUST going concerns) to maximize PROFITS! Labor is a variable cost and can be easily adjusted. Remember folks... For every $1 the airline spends on a pilots salary, it has to pay another $2 in benefits thus making such a payscale impossible to maintain long-term. A doctor's higher salary, depending on his specialization, is justified since he offers a net benefit to society as a WHOLE and his financial well being does not hinder on company performance. A pilot is an EMPLOYEE whereas a doctor/lawyer is NOT so they set their own salaries/hours and have no set job descriptions, unlike pilots. If my pilots made $200K per year you bet I'd reduce this! Go and fly African charters in Africa or in the Canadian bush if you don't like it. <
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RE: $208 Per Hour?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:28 am

"i know some pilots over here that get angry if they don't fly 250-300 hrs per month! US pilots have it easy."

How is that even possible? Easy you say? You obviously haven't done it. To fly 100 hrs in a month is a task. With all the time spent doing duties that is unpaid (save per diem) to fly a 100 hr line is very exhausting! With 4 day trips, that's 11-12 days off a month while actually being on duty close to 55-60 hours a week! Post a schedule of that 250-300 hr/mo schedule please....

"I'd pretty much do it for free."

And that's one of the problems with the industry today. Too many pilots are willing to whore themselves for barely any pay, and that hurts the rest of the pilots. "


Amen to that! The race to the bottom of the payscales has begun because of such attitudes.

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