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What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:43 am

So, sadly the final B757 has rolled off the line. What has occurred to me from the numerous threads recently is that the B757 seems to be held in such high regard by almost everyone. I'm sure its not just all sentiment.

Apart from the odd comment regarding it's transatlantic use, I can't ever remember seeing a negative comment by anyone here, and we are a notoriously critical bunch!  Smile So what makes the B757 so popular with everyone when almost every other aircraft type has it's fair share of lovers and loathers?

Take-off performance?
Slender appearance?
Economics?
Versatility?

And yes, I adore the B757 too.


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:46 am

The beautiful lines, it's such a sleek airplane. It will be sorely missed...  Crying

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:48 am

Takeoff Performance is one of the reasons for me. An A319/320/321 can't even compare to it, and the sound is just amazing.

Looks also play a major part in my love of the 757, its just right, especially the nose.


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:51 am

It's just such a beautiful airplane. I love it.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:59 am

Performance, Performance, Performance. It was a truly worthy replacement for the 727
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:04 am

Beauty and power... great combo.

And then there's its incredible versatility: 350nm one segment.... 3,500 the next
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:07 am

The 757 is also one of the safest planes ever built. The only crashes have been due to faulty maintainance or disorientated pilots. The thing is a rocket ship that can use shorter runways than smaller planes, while flying farther and having lower seat-mile costs. It looks like a dart and is one of the most comfortable A/C I have ever been on (I know it should be exactly the same as any Boeing narrow body, but it isn't). Anyone else ever notice how loud their flaps are when adjusted?
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:08 am

How about safety. I think is has to be hands down the safest airliner ever.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:16 am

I am a 757's fan. For me, she is one of the most elegant aircraft ever built.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:23 am

I like the looks and the cabin is roomy
Takeoff power is grand !

All around very nice aircraft
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:24 am

Elegant, Safe, Economic, Unrivalled Performance in its class, Beautiful, Imponent.

I LOVE IT!
It's a pity Boeing decided to close the line, but it's good to know they'll be around much time more.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:39 am

From an airline perspective, the 757 has terrific economics and flexibility. If you fly 300 miles or 3000 miles (which can be done with the aircraft), the unit costs do not change radically, which is unusual on an aircraft.

Probably more than that, it can be used in places in which other aircraft, notably the 737 can't be used. A 757 with MTOW can get airborne in less than 5000ft, making it possible to fly into certain airports that it would be impossible for the 737 can support (certain South American airports come into mind). Additionally, the capacity of the 757 in such a STOL situation provides an airline the capability of carrying nearly 200 passengers where the 737 can at best do 150 before weight penalties kick in.

It is a shame that the 753 did not catch on more than it did. It was a unique aircraft and one that could serve certain markets well. Its problem was its size and weight; using the same engines with another 24-25 of fuselage makes the aircraft unable to do the short runway operations like the 752 and when you get to over 200 passengers (which the 753 can do easily), passengers prefer the 767 with the twin aisles that has about the same capacity of passengers (+up to 30 seats).

Finally, the 737NG was the nail in the coffin for the 757. With greater range and less fuel required to operate than the 757, the 738/739s are within 10 seats of the 757 in capacity. An airline that has a fleet of 737NGs will want to stay with the same type of aircraft for longer missions, a la transcon. With the 737-700 being able to do transatlantic in an all Business operation, the 737 mission profile becomes a very flexible one, making the 757 almost redundant. I think this over anything was the demise of the 757.

We will all miss the 757....it is truly a rocket at low weights over short distances; I remember flying SFO-LAX with about 80 on board, we went from sea level to FL410 in under 10 minutes. Out over the ocean, he got the clearance, poured on the coals and flew at a high pitch angle (while still accelerating) and before we were turning SE toward LAX, we were already cruising at FL410. There is no other aircraft flying today that can match that performance.

She'll be around for awhile more....another 10 years or so before the airframes start to degrade on the older birds, so we can be flying her for some time to come. Next out of the red barn, the Dreamliner.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:39 am

The 757 became my favorite plane to fly on my first flight with it on Eastern in the late 1980s. Take-off was absolutely astonishing, combined with what seemed more long-haul type seating vs. what I can only describe as 737-type seating. The Eastern 757s also had mid-cabin lavatories, which they used as the demarcation line between smoking and non-smoking, which worked better than the setup on any other aircraft flying similar routes. It also reminded me of the days of flying 707s on non-stop transcontinental flights with Eastern's night owl service from LAX to BOS and PHL and v.v.

One question in my mind I've never reconciled is that while I can't find any records online of the old Eastern 757s going to Northwest, I've flown a number of 757s on NW with the mid-cabin lavs and the same brown striped fabric on the seats Eastern had, the last just this past December from LGA-MSP. The connecting flight, also on a 757, had the newer interior without mid-cabin lavs and a different seat.

Are any of Eastern's 757s flying for Northwest?

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:44 am

I love landing on the 57...you can hardly feel when it touches the ground, it's a very quiet and smooth experience. The good thing there are still many around and will be for some years...
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:49 am

What makes it so loved? Because it's a champion. And everyone loves a champion. There is nothing that compares to it, or IMO, ever will. Nothing matches it's performance in it's class? Why? Because there is nothing in it's class. I've said it before and I'll say it again. My brain understands why Boeing shut down the 757 line, but my heart won't. Why would you stop producing a product that has no equal? Why not improve a product when you have the capability to do so?

I am a big Boeing fan. But mention the 757 and then I scour at Boeing. Other than the -300, there was never a major upgrade of the 757. If they had, I'd bet the 757 line would still be producing aircraft.

The seven-five rapidly became my favorite twin engined aircraft over the past few years. It figures, I probably jinxed it.  Sad

Long live the 757!!
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:50 am

A couple of years ago I was flying from Tampa to Houston on Continental on a 757 and the guy next to me was the 757 instructor pilot for another airline commuting to his job. I told him of my love for the 757 and he got this little smile on his face and said: "you know what the pilots call it? They call it the HOT ROD of the skies!"

I thought that was pretty appropriate.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:56 am

Even Presidential candidates use the 757!


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:58 am

Try to put an A321 into EGE and tell me what happens


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:39 am

Haw you been accross the Atlantic on one of these crates?
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:48 am

Oops, where'd that sour note come from?

Even though I am an Airbus lover (not literally), I particularly like the 757. I think the proportions are right (I also like the A321, which has a similar look, at least to me). Also, I like the nose, no idea why.

I like that it is considered a "heavy", as well. An airplane that carries more than her own weight, in a way.

I've never had a chance to fly on one, or work on one, but I'd like to.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:52 am

OB1504:

North American Airlines is an airline, not a canidate's plane.  Big grin

The 757 is the best aircraft ever made. Why? It speaks for itself.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:55 am

For me it's the nose...


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I don't know what it is about it. It just looks gorgeous!  Love

It's also slender and elegant, it takes off like a rocket,


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But, if I had to choose one thing, it'd be the nose. Definitely!  Big thumbs up

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:06 am

I tell you, it ain't so pretty inside LGW-CLE or BHX-EWR.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:20 am

NW never took 757s from EA due to their RR powerplants. All NW 75s are P&W.

Am I correct in believing that all NW-operated 757s were delivered directly to Northwest? (leaving aside the handful from the Republic merger which were promptly unloaded, of course...)

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:02 pm

Yes Norjet, they were all delivered direct to NWA. The former Republic ones were in the fleet after the merger only briefly and ended up with America West - they were Rolls Royce powered versus Pratt & Whitney for the NWA ordered aircraft.

The 757 is certainly a very versatile aircraft as has been said numerous times on this posting. It can be used for just about any stage length and is great to dispatch because it is very rare that you can ever reach any performance limits. Plus the great power-to-weight ratio which allows you to get out of an airport such as MDW very comfortably with a full payload, and also allows you to climb straight to FL370 without a step-climb most of the time - gives you great versatility and economics. It is well loved by pilots for its capabilities and handling characteristics. It is well loved by marketing folks who can use it in many, many situations. It is however not so well loved by passengers - the cabin width is noticeably less than the A320, and sitting in the middle seat on a long flight is very uncomfortable. Also, the long tube takes forever to disembark from...even worse with the -300. Nevertheless, it is one hell of an aircraft.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:32 pm

NW never took 757s from EA due to their RR powerplants. All NW 75s are P&W.

Ahhh, yes, the engine issue, thanks for jolting my brain. I'll just keep that little piece of 80's deja vu to myself whenever I fly one of NW's 757s then.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:58 pm

I adore 757's but when I flew CO 66 CLE-LGW it was not pleasant.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:56 pm

Here we go again about the "narrowbodies aren't comfortable on transatlantic flights". I used to live in Dublin and flew DUB-EWR on a very regular basis on CO 757s. There really is no difference compared with a larger aircraft, you have exactly the same legroom, same service, etc. How is it any difference? Oh ok, if you get up to use the lav then there isn't as much room walking around, how on earth does that affect you??!

 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:00 pm

Flown on 752 (XLA) and 753 (TCX).
It's performance is second to none, quiet, very comfortable. Altogether, definitly the best of the narrowbodies  Smile
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:48 pm

Here we go again about the "narrowbodies aren't comfortable on transatlantic flights".

How is it any difference?


Exactly. I'd bet big money that if you took the very same seat from a 757 and put it into a "comfortable widebody" that the same people who criticise the 757 seat would praise the widebody seat. It's the same seat for Pete's sake! In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that you actually would have a longer seat pitch in the 757 than you would in the widebody!
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:21 pm

Its just such a beatiful aircraft. It has the best lines on an aircraft that I have seen. I've never seen a paint-sceme on the jet that I didnt like because the plane's beauty makes up for it....always. I love the cockpit of this aircraft, I love the way it flies, I love watching it fly. I could go on and on about this plane. Absolutely my favorite!
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:25 pm

Star and Boeing Nut,

I haven't been on a 757 on a transatlantic flight (and I do hope to do so
one day!). But, the main problem with it I can see is that, if you want a
window seat (and I do) and the plane is full, you're stuck with two people
between you and the aisle. On most widebodies (B767, B777, A340, A330)
you only have to negotiate with only one person (depending on the B777 config
of course). The exceptions are B747 and soon the A380. I've flown on a B747
a few times and I have to admit that getting stuck on a window seat with
two people next to me for 7-8 hours was not very pleasant. Give me a B767
any day...

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:33 pm

Reasons why I love this aircraft:

- The shape and look
- Take off performance
- Looks good in any colors
- First Aicraft I flew on
- And again the sleek look  Big grin

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:36 pm

I like that unique look it has when you look at it head on during take off
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:47 pm

Well, I have to admit as a flight attendant, I don't like the 757. Although it is a very sturdy (touch the fuselage of a 757 when you're boarding one sometime- it's SOLID), well-built aircraft with smooth lines that make it visually appealing, it's a nightmare to work. Too many people on one aisle for my taste. The first class galley is too small, and the aft galley is clastrophobic.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:04 am

I have been working on the Boeing 757 since I started working and I love her.

She just climbs straight (atc permitting) to her CRZ ALT, and take off, oh, you have to love it.

To look at from outside she has a great nose! I mean its not like other aircraft, lower I think. She is also higher up (or at least it looks like it).

As for working on her, there are some down points! Firstly if you ever need to get from the front of the aircraft to the rear then you need to warn someone you may be gone for a while (when the seat belt signs are off). PAX block the isle and don't seem to move... As for the aircraft being a nightmare to work on, I would have to say the pro's out way the cons!

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:16 am

I think that 757s are very versatile. They perform well up in the air and rotates well on the ground.

Seating capacity not too bad. I think they can have up to 8 flight attendants on a 757 flight. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:30 am

...with the end of the 757 line...why not keep one small piece of her?

That elegant nose of hers SHOULD graft right onto a standard 737NG airframe (they did it with the 767/777 nose), with just a small retrofit of where the landing gear is located...

...any thoughts on this?
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:39 am

The 757 is a maintenance dream. It is a workhorse and has a very high reliability rate. The combination of power, efficiency and ability to do up to a 8 hour flight without stopping for fuel are incredible.

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:26 am

There is no other airplane like the Boeing 757. It is essentially a giant twin-engined narrowbody, it's takeoff performance is unmatched in my opinion (what a rocket), it is reliable, has had very few accidents, it can be used both domestically and intercontinentally, it's wing design was one of the first to feature double-slotted flaps, it was one of the first to feature the two-man glass cockpit. It is essentially one of the most flexible airplanes in the world in my opinion. It looks good in almost any color-scheme, it's fuselage is beautifully curved and thin, its tail is gorgeous. Even though it is no longer being produced, there is no doubt in my mind that the airlines will continue to fly them for at least one more decade. It's engines are fuel-efficient and quiet. STL would be nothing to me without the 757. I tip my hat off to AA for still bringing several 757 flights into STL. No airport should be without these beautiful girls  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:27 am

The 757 is a great plane. Nothing can take that away from it. Ever. It has been one of my favorites and the day the last one flies will be a sad day for me and many others.

Sadly, in addition to the 737 NG who can do virtually the same job, the 757 was ultimately a victim of its own success. Boeing sold so many of them so fast and a boatload to airlines now defunct (Eastern and National) that the demand dried up. There were so many quality low time used 757s out there that airlines were able to acquire them and not new ones. Regardless of the economic reasons why 757s stopped selling, Boeing did move 1,050 of them.

Of those 1,050.... 1,049 went into service with customers (Boeing still owns the first), and about 1,030 are still in service. If anything, those numbers do not lie. That is one hell of a bird.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:53 am

The 757 is such a clean design. I think the cockpit is lower so the crew steps down into the cockpit, seems sporty. And yes, the legendary takeoff runs on these planes are amazing. Some departures out of KSNA are supposedly awesome.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:06 am

First of all, the plane is incredibly flexible. It can fly cross-country or even trans-Atlantic, yet it can also fly short hops, like DFW-AUS or ATL-CHS.

It's takeoff performance is incredible. I was on an AA 757 leaving ORD for SEA. The two primary departure runways that day, 32L and 9L, had long lines, so the captain requested 4L, which is the shortest runway at ORD at about 7600 feet.

We were airborne at around 5800 feet down the runway, and there wasn't an empty seat on the plane. That's impressive.

What is even more impressive is that the 757 can operate out of JAC. The runway is 6300 feet long, and is 6700 feet above sea level.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:17 am

To quote a phrase I heard somewhere but can't remember the source off hand, "The closest thing that Boeing Commercial ever built to a fighter jet".

Once had a Boeing test pilot tell me that during Maximum Cross Wind Landing tests in the 757 the running joke is, "WHich side of the airplane will the passengers see the runway out of today" becuase it would slip sideways farther than any other Boeing a/c
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:37 am

She is the most beautiful aircraft ever produced. Long Slender Body, Two Big Appendages hanging off of each side. Beautiful Nose, and she can climb like no other airplane. LONG LIVE THE 757.
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:56 am

The performance..........
If you ever get the chance fly on one into EGE. I have never experianced anything else like the tak off from EGE. You get pushed back into your seat a little when full power is applied and then your off climbing shaply to left at a steep angle. Very very awesome.....I highly reccomend it.
 
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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:20 am

I think its the appearance, its so long and unique looking from any other a/c flying the skies.

This would be one of my favorite carriers and a/c.


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:52 am

"North American Airlines is an airline, not a canidate's plane. "


North American has leased ac to Presidential candidates as well as to charter companies.

They have great seats too!

Cheers!


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:02 am

Delta's 757's, a mean and powerful workhorse, inside and out. A favorite of mine.


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RE: What Makes The B757 So Loved?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:14 am

I love the sheer beauty of the 757. She is no doubt my favorite airplane to fly on. I just wish I get more opertunities to fly on her in the future. I know the 757 will stay in service for years to come, but I just hope I get the chance to fly on more. Here is my little tribute. Smile

She looks good at any angle Smile


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Photo © Luis Rosa
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Photo © Art Brett - AirTeamImages



She looks good in any color scheme Smile


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Photo © Michael Carter
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She even looks great inside! Smile


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Photo © Gregg Stansbery



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Photo © James Richard Covington, Jr



I'm going to miss seeing new 757's come off the line to the airlines. She is such a great bird, and has served every airline that has owned her, or does own here well, probably beyond expectations. She has a versatility that very few other aircraft have, to be both a cargo, and passenger plane. She can go short, or long distances with ease, because of her takeoff and landing performance. It's too bad we won't get to see more of them around the world, and I hope the 7E7 doesn't phase out this amazing bird, as I hope to fly on them for years to come!


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