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Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:18 am

Airbus orders confirmed during the course of October:

Private Customer 1 A320
Air China 6 A319
China Eastern 20 A330-300
America West 1 A320
Total: 28

2004 Gross Totals:

Airbus 217
Boeing 192

(incl. aircraft for private customers but excluding military deals)

I don’t have the data to post net totals but I’d be most appreciative if someone could.

Announced deals awaiting confirmation:

Airbus
Etihad Airways 4 A380-800, 4 A340-500, 4 A340-600 and 12 A330-200
Thai International 6 A380-800, 1 A340-500 and 1 A340-600
Vietnam Airways 10 A321
Virgin Atlantic 13 A340-600
Air Berlin-Niki 70 A320
Total: 125

Boeing
Thai International 6 777-200ER
First Choice 6 7E7-8
Blue Panorama 4 7E7-8
Etihad Airways 5 777-300ER
Singapore Airlines 18 777-300ER
Primaris 20 7E7-8 and 20 737-800 (will not be confirmed this year, some say not at all)
Total: 79

Widely expected to be announced before year end:
Air Asia 40+, rumoured to have gone Airbus.
Can you think of any others?

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:49 am

8 A319s ordered by Hainan Airlines:

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1617

Also, the Turkish Airlines deal was signed during October (19 A320s, 12A321s and 5 A330-200s), not sure if you included them in your order totals?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:52 am

Boeing is going to get its ass kicked if it doesn't stop whining and actually do something.  Angry
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:42 am

@Scorpio:

The Turkish order was included in the September firm order totals.

Thanks, new updated expected order totals to include Hainan:

- - - - -

Airbus
Etihad Airways 4 A380-800, 4 A340-500, 4 A340-600 and 12 A330-200
Thai International 6 A380-800, 1 A340-500 and 1 A340-600
Vietnam Airways 10 A321
Virgin Atlantic 13 A340-600
Hainan: 8 A319
Air Berlin-Niki 70 A320
Total: 133

- - - - -

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:51 am

Boeing's website has the YTD order tally at 197. Also, I believe Boeing has been in talks with several unannounced airlines about the 7E7, so they may still get some more large orders confirmed before year end for that type.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:13 am

Boeing's website has the YTD order tally at 197

That is gross orders. There are 5 737 Cancellations which give 192 for the year to date. The Turkmenistan order for 2 717 is also yet to be listed.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:13 am

Five aircraft in that 197 tally are U.S. Navy bound and therefore excluded.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:52 am

Under announced deals waiting for confirmation, you can include Vietnam Airlines for 4 7E7-8. Not acknowledged by Boeing yet, but the airline has announced it's intent. Also Hainan Airlines for 3 737-800s, and as already mentioned, 2 717's for Turkmenistan.

"Primaris 20 7E7-8 and 20 737-800 (will not be confirmed this year"

Yes, it should.

"some say not at all)"

It should be signed, however there is many who question whether all the aircraft will be delivered. Similar to the EK massive widebody orders for both Boeing and Airbus, as well as Air Berlin's recent mega-order.

"Widely expected to be announced before year end:"

I would also speculate on:

Qatar Airways - 20 7E7 or A350
Air Europa 2-4 A330-200 order (though seriously doubt the rumors about A350 commitment. From what I've heard, these A330's will be interim aircraft, possibly leased or second-hand. Boeing is really courting them to be another 7E7 launch customer).
China - large Boeing order. Expect @ 50-60 7E7, @ 20+ 737NGs, possibly some 777s, though less likely

"Air Asia 40+, rumoured to have gone Airbus."

Possible, but with Boeing's humiliating loss of the Air Berlin order, I have a feeling they will do everything it takes to win the AirAsia bid.


"Five aircraft in that 197 tally are U.S. Navy bound and therefore excluded."

Why? Both Airbus and Boeing count military sales as part of their orderbooks. And are these frames just going to magically appear? Of course not, they will be built on the same assembly line as all current 737NGs, and thus contribute to production output.


"I don’t have the data to post net totals but I’d be most appreciative if someone could."

At the end of Sept. (sorry, I don't have Oct. yet), cancellations stood thus:

Airbus
Air Canada - 2 A321
Air Inter - 1 A330-300
CIT Leasing - 3 A320, 2 A321, 1 A330-200
ILFC - 1 A330-200, 1 A340-500
Total: 11

Boeing
China Airlines - 2 737-800
Boeing Business Jets - 2 737-700BBJ
Ukraine Int'l - 1 737-700
Total: 5

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:11 am

What about the Libya order? Any recent info? Could that be signed this year?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:43 am

Thai's order is for 777-200s, not 777-200ERs, if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:15 am

"Thai's order is for 777-200s, not 777-200ERs, if I'm not mistaken."

At the moment, it's not that clear, actually. At different points in time, I've heard both. The latest I heard, however, was that Thai was going with -200ERs, though using them on regional routes. The reasoning behind this is more flexibility, and higher resale values. We'll see what happens.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing, 2004 Orders So Far

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:40 pm

Qatar apparently could sign for up to 60 7E7(orders+options),but want the 7E9 fully defined by Boeing before they will commit. They only require 8-10 7E8,so the bulk of their order will be for the 7E9.

Source ATWonline Nov 9 2004.

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