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Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:39 am

I know Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Japan Airlines, Air India, Air Asia are operating services between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.......

Which is the cheapest fare I can get? And where?

Heard that the airport is the cheapest place to buy such tickets. Is that true?
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:43 am

Did Air Asia start flying that route?

Last time I was in Singapore a couple of weeks ago I remember an article in the Strait Times saying domething about SQ and MH having monoply on that route and not letting anyone else in.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:56 am

I too have also read something recently that said MH and SQ have a monoply on this route, due to government restrictions, and this pact won't be re-evaluated for a few more years yet. If i can remember where i read it, ill try and post a link on here shortly!

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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:03 am

But I think Air India and JAL are flying this route
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:10 am

Sri Lankan and Air Mauritiaus are flying this route too (KL-SIN sector only) . However, Air Asia does not fly on this route. Cheapest would have to be the shuttle flights SQ and MH, The tickets cost around S$180 for return trip.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:53 am

Where do I buy them?
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:05 am

The cheapest is AirAsia but they fly out of Johor Bahru ... so you'll first have to get there by bus/taxi - so you might want to take the bus all the way to KL.

If you die-die want to fly AirAsia out of Singapore, take their flight to Bangkok and then the Bangkok-KL flight. Surely the longest possible way to get to KL from Singapore, but it might still be cheaper than direct. No idea whether flights happen to connect at Bangkok though.

Ex Singapore, cheapest is the SQ / MH shuttle. Buy the tickets at the airport (the front section of the respective checkin rows). Those seats are, however, standby.

For confirmed seats, the cheapest is Japan Air Lines, and they fly once daily each direction. Then come SQ and MH, more pricy, but with 6 or so flights a day each.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:07 am

SQ and MH having monoply on that route

2 airlines having a monopoly sounds kind of contradicting.

Anyway, just to know, how many daily flights do each airline operate in this busy route?


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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:11 am

I flew between Singapore and KL a few years ago on MH and I think it cost me about GBP50.00 return....in FIRST CLASS!! The reason was, that I flew from Johor Bahru, which is just on the malaysian side of the peninsula. This way, you are able to take advantage of the exchange rate as your ticket will be quoted in Malay Ringgit (sorry if mis-spelled) instead on Singapore Dollars. The savings are HUGE! Whats more, when I travelled a few years ago, check in was taken care of in the 'downtown' Malaysia airlines check in in singapore and they even provide a free coach for the 40 minute trip to johore. I don't know if this is still the case but it was WELL worth it!
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:34 am

... they even provide a free coach for the 40 minute trip to johore....

It ain't free anymore. I did that SIN-JHB-KUL trip last month and I had to pay S$12 at the MAS City Air Terminal for the one way coach to Senai Airport in JB.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:09 am

AK wont be flying to SIN anytime soon, nor will Valuair, Tiger & Jetstar to KUL. Both governments are extremely protective of their flagship carriers to allow other airlines to get a slice of the market. Singaporean govt wont even allow Air Asia to operate direct shuttle busses between Johor Bahru & downtown Singapore like MH does, let alone fly directly to SIN. Air Asia can fly SIN-BKK because that sector is operated by Thai Air Asia. However, things will change in the next 3-4 years when the open sky agreement between the two countries materialise.

Air Mauritius & Royal Nepal also fly between KUL & SIN,
but only Sri Lankan (5x), Air India (3x) and JAL (7x weekly) have traffic rights.

Malaysia Airlines & Singapore Airlines fare :-

From KUL :
Y return is RM 444 (S$ 194). Stand-by fare is RM 167 (S$ 73) single.

From SIN :
Y return is S$ 304 (RM 698). Stand-by fare is S$ 115 (RM 264) single.

All excluding tax. You'll notice that everything ex-KUL is much cheaper than ex-SIN due to currency exchange. Standard Y fare single SIN-KUL actually costs slightly more than KUL-SIN first class single  Smile The stand-by fares can only be purchased at the airport. JL, UL & AI flights are usually cheaper than MH/SQ Y fare.

Compare this with KUL-Johor Bahru. Y return is RM 282 (S$ 123), excl taxes. MH shutte bus to downtown Singapore costs extra. Air Asia charges as low as RM 4.99 single, excl taxes.



Extracts from The Sunday Star (17 Oct 2004):

THE much-awaited open skies agreement to facilitate more traffic rights between Malaysia and Singapore will materialise over the next few years before 2008, but not immediately, said Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy. This is due to the fact that it would take some time for both countries to enhance their air services before deciding to totally open up the air traffic between them, he said in an interview.

Asean countries have agreed that restrictions on the number of flights that airlines can operate between capitals will be lifted by 2008, as part of a move towards a limited “open skies” framework by 2015.

Chan said theGovernment is now willing to review the bilateral air services agreement between the two countries. The last time the 32-year old agreement was reviewed was in 1980. The pact gives Malaysia Airlines (MAS) and Singapore Airlines (SIA) virtual monopoly over flights between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. This has resulted in the emergence of restricted competition on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore sector leading to both MAS and SIA operating eight out of 10 flights a day, or 154 out of the 184 flights a week.

However, this situation may change eventually as Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and his Singaporean counterpart Lee Hsien Loong recently expressed interest to open up the routes to boost tourism and business traffic.

This has led to a meeting to be scheduled for next month between Chan and his counterpart from Singapore, Yeo Cheow Tong, to discuss the opening up of the sector. He believed that the decision to enhance air links between the two neighbours would ultimately lead to an “open skies” policy as it would not jeopardise the local aviation industry.

But he said the government would take into consideration the interests of the local aviation industry when negotiations start next month. Yeo had said that discussions on expanding the air links were “long overdue and there was much catching up to do.” For example, the number of flights in the Kuala Lumpur to Singapore sector (184) had fallen behind other sectors, as there are now 188 flights between Singapore and Hong Kong, and 380 between Singapore and Bangkok.

Once the review on the bilateral air rights between the two countries starts, the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore route is likely to receive immediate attention while other routes between the two countries are also expected to be discussed.

The Kuala Lumpur-Singapore route has been considered one of the Asia’s most protected and fourth busiest, which saw more than 1.9 million passengers on the sector between April 2002 and March last year, according to figures from the Association of Asia Pacific Airlines.

Some industry observers believe that by giving more traffic rights to the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore route, its fare could be reduced drastically and spur more flights. With competition from low cost carriers (LCCs), the number of passengers could also increase as more people could choose to travel by air. Currently, the two national carriers charge about RM700 for a confirmed roundtrip ticket on the KL-Singapore sector. But with more traffic rights, the fare is likely to come down.

Some LCCs have indicated their intention to grab opportunities on the sector once the “open skies” policy is implemented. For example, Tiger Airways’ chief executive officer Patrick Gan had said that Malaysia has many attractive destinations for budget travellers and the airline is looking forward to have an opportunity to fly to Malaysia. Valuair’s chief executive officer Sim Kay Wee said an “open skies” agreement between Malaysia and Singapore would be appealing to the company as it is keen on flying to Kuala Lumpur, Penang and towns in Sabah and Sarawak.

Countries such as Thailand and China have agreed earlier this year to unlimited direct flights while Hong Kong also has similar pacts with Thailand and Malaysia. –Bernama

[Edited 2004-11-07 18:42:45]
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:08 am

I go to Singapore like 3-4 times a year on transit to HKG. But I normally go HKG-KUL-HKG when I fly to Malaysia. Never had a chance to fly SIN-KUL.

I am doing SYD-KUL-HKG in two weeks time. I will be doing a stopover in KL. Also I will be doing HKG-SIN-JNB-Cape Town-SIN-HKG in January. I might look into flying SIN-KUL-SIN or the other way round in either one of the trips.

What about JAL???? How much is the fare?
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:31 am

In addition to the previous post, what equipment does JAL use on the route?
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:37 am

B 767-300ER if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:47 am

Yes it's a B763ER.

I don't think the cheapest fare comes from SQ/MH shuttle. In fact it's one of the more expensive choices.

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-Singapore to
Kuala Lumpur Business Class
One Way C S$240
Economy Class
One Way Y S$159

-Singapore to
Kuala Lumpur
to Singapore Business Class
One Year Ticket
( Return Trip ) C S$424
Economy Class
One Year Ticket
( Return Trip ) Y S$240
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:57 am

If you're not in a hurry - there is a 'Shuttle' fare offered by SQ and MH. No advance reservations can be made for this fare and if you call either airline ahead to check the availability you can usually get on a flight without too much of a wait.

You just turn up at either airport and obtain a 'Shuttle ticket number' much like queueing at the Deli and just wait for your number to be call as seats are released shortly before each flight closes, pay and board.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:25 am

Mr.BA,
Cheapest option is still the stand-by fares for MH/SQ shuttle (fare code = YU), which works out at S$188 for 2 return singles (for both ex-SIN and ex-KUL). But you have to fly stand-by of course, but usually should not be a problem.

Southamerica,

SQ and MH having monoply on that route
2 airlines having a monopoly sounds kind of contradicting.


SQ and MH do not compete against each other on KUL-SIN, they charge exactly the same fare and offer the same number of frequency (6 daily per airline). In many respects it's still a monopoly, but a shared monopoly as MH/SQ flights complement each other rather than competing.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:14 pm

KEno,

SQ and MH have a DUOPOLY on the SIN-KUL route, not a monopoly.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:08 pm

THis is probably the best route in the world if you want to experience SQ's First Class product at a low price. I purchased a ticket in the US for $215 return. Though the flight is very short at around 50 minutes flying time, you get full access to the SQ First Class Lounge at SIN. This is their flagship lounge with full bar, buffet, showers, free internet, etc. You also get a full meal service onbaord w/ appetizer, main course and flight attendants referring to you by your name. The lounge at KUL is small, but adequate with a small buffet, bar, newspapers, and a perfect view over the apron. I also got 1,000 UA Mileage Plus miles (500 plus an additional 500 for traveling in F).

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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:58 pm

Best route ? I dont know about you but in my opinion , for 40 mins flight , it's not worth flying business or first class I feel , you can't really enjoy much during the flight. But like you have mention, you can make full use of the first class lounges at the airports. I rather enjoy myself more during the flight, haven't get a chance yet but that will be a dream come true.

Anyway, you can watch out for special fares in websites like last month S$130 for return trip SIN-KUL, such a good deal is too hard to pass.

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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:19 pm

What websites and agents offer such great discounts?

I agree. There is no point in flying First or Business for 40 minutes. Actually I won't fly first or business on anything less than 6 hours unless I don't have to pay for it. Won't even use my miles to upgrade on such short flights
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:44 pm

http://www.zuji.com.sg , very occasionally , offers very good fares between SIN and KUL , usually on JAL. Even when there's no promotion, you have the added convenience of the tickets delivered to your doorstep with no extra charge.

Zuji , again very occasionally, has a special Tuesday ( or any other day ) deal alert sent out to those on their registered mail list ; once I had an offer of S$49 between SIN and KUL on JAL.

I wonder why you can book KUL-SIN-KUL on Air India's website but not SIN-KUL-SIN. I emailed Air India , and they simply referred me to the AI office in Singapore. Anyway, it has an unearthlly departure time out of KUL.

 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:15 pm

What's the departure time for Air India?
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:21 am

Actually I have to agree that Malaysia Airlines and Singapore Airlines operate a MONOpoly on this route as the costs and profits (as far as I am aware) are both shared between the two airlines. MH and SQ tickets are interchangeable on this route and both airlines schedule their flights to provide the best spread of flight times possible (although the schedules can be a little odd at certain times of the day) between the two cities.

The unique Joint Shuttle Service between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore is a legacy to the fact that both MAS and SIA were once a single entity and this route uniquely still operates under the same auspicious today - so in fact the route remains a MONOpoly.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:38 am

"Actually I have to agree that Malaysia Airlines and Singapore Airlines operate a MONOpoly on this route as the costs and profits (as far as I am aware) are both shared between the two airlines. MH and SQ tickets are interchangeable on this route and both airlines schedule their flights to provide the best spread of flight times possible (although the schedules can be a little odd at certain times of the day) between the two cities.

The unique Joint Shuttle Service between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore is a legacy to the fact that both MAS and SIA were once a single entity and this route uniquely still operates under the same auspicious today - so in fact the route remains a MONOpoly."

In order to settle this once and for all, I cite the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:


Main Entry: mo·nop·o·ly
Pronunciation: m&-'nä-p(&-)lE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -lies
Etymology: Latin monopolium, from Greek monopOlion, from mon- + pOlein to sell
1 : exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2 : exclusive possession or control
3 : a commodity controlled by one party
4 : one that has a monopoly

Main Entry: du·op·o·ly
Pronunciation: du-'ä-p&-lE also dyu-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -lies
Etymology: duo- + -poly (as in monopoly)
1 : an oligopoly limited to two sellers
2 : preponderant influence or control by two political powers

SQ and MH jointly controlling the market constitutes a DUOpoly, not a monopoly. End of debate.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:30 am

Monopoly is for one. Duopoly is for two.
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:39 am

Sorry for my lack of vocab on "mono"poly  Big grin


" What's the departure time for Air India? "

United Airline, see Amadeus online schedule.
There are some things that you can just find out for yourself.

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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:51 pm


Any idea where can we go to to find information about load factors of flights?

Thanxs.....
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:16 pm

I don't mean to be a sticky wicket here but although by definition 'Duopoly' would be correct grammatically, linguistically - 'Monopoly' remains the correct term. If the route was a duopoly - Malaysia Airlines and Singapore Airlines would COMPETE on this route and have exclusive rights to COMPETE on this route operating as two separate carriers on this route.

Let's say if LHR-JFK operated as a duopoly. This would occur if only BA and UA (say) were allowed to fly passengers on this route and compete with each other on this prime route charging whatever they wanted and undercutting each other until their hearts' content.

The KL-Singapore shuttle operates as a governmental agreement where both airlines operate on a fixed fare and do NOT compete on the route. There are times of the year where you'll see more SQ or more MH capacity on the route and it really does not matter to either airline as the earnings and costs are shared by the two carriers operating as a SINGLE entity. If not for the scheduling of aircraft and national pride (on both sides as some prefer SQ whilst others prefer MH), the route could be flown entirely by either airline ALONE and it would not make any difference financially to either carrier as the other will still have to pick up the tab.

As I mentioned - this is a 'unique' service as it is not a code-share agreement (with either carrier buying capacity and operating as a 'Duopoly') but as it says - a JOINT service. 'Joint' as in 'operating as ONE' - hence my argument for MONOpoly.

We may forever disagree on this but in our hearts we will always believe we were right!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:26 pm

Even if the two airlines do not compete against each other (and that's not entirely true, as both airlines run flights head-to-head during peak hours), it still constitutes a duopoly, as you have two players dominating a market. There's no need for creative license or interpretation - unless and until they merge again, SQ and MH comprise a DUO.
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:38 pm

The KL-Singapore route operates as a SINGLE airline (ie - NOT DEVOLVED from the original MSA network as agreed in the constitution of Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines in 1971) route for historical reasons hence my point. The schedules are such that at certain times of the day - there are indeed two flights heading out at the same time but this is due to positioning of aircraft in order to provide an optimum spread of services throughout the day according to demand.

If you travel on this route during peak periods - you will find that the schedules are often changed at the last minute with timings and aircraft (be it MH or SQ) altered. You can hold a ticket with MH and travel on SQ and vice-versa. The check-in counters at either airport - represent both airlines with crew from both airlines checking passengers in together for either carrier. This would probably be the only 2 places left in this world where SQ and MH can be seen working together (to operate a MONOpoly) as they had done pre-1972.

hey - whatever...  Insane
 
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RE: Flights Between Singapore And Kuala Lumpur

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:07 pm

Avek00,

Yo, chill lah bro...

U cannot always take the English language at face value. This is one instance when a DUOpoly cannot be used to describe the arrangement simply because MAS and SIA operates as ONE single entity. Further analysis needs to be made before tagging "DUO" onto them because it doesn't work that was for SIN-KUL vv sector.

Bilateral agreement states that there can be 154 weekly flights between SIN and KUL to be shared between MAS and SIA (and the rest by carriers with 5th freedom rights like JAL and AI). If either of each has more daily flights that than other, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, profits are divided in half. This route has an annual earning of S$18 million for each carrier - SIA and MAS, that is.

If you look at MAS's timetable, the flight MH 601(KUL-SIN) is still the same flight number used when MSA was formed in 1968. Of course SQ broke away and now their shuttle flights are numbered SQ 1xx. But u get the idea, it is a continuation of an agreement since MSA days when they operated as ONE airline... and the arrangement has stood the test of time of more than 2 decades.

Frankly, I think it is time to re-look into this arrangement as the fares between these 2 cities are ridiculously high.
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