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Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:59 pm

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what type of aircraft Bill Gates uses to cross the globe. It is well known that Paul Allen has a 757, yet Gates's aircraft is not publicly well known .

I can only imagine what electronic and futuristic equipment is installed in his aircraft.

Any "A- netters" that might have some info would be greatly appreciated, especially any links to photos.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:10 pm

Wasn't there an urban myth that Bill Gates flew every in Y because he thought anything else was a waste of cash!...........bollocks!
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:26 pm

ever think that he keeps it private so that it is just that, his private jet?
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:36 pm

I've heard he has a 777. I believe this may well be it as well:


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Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:57 pm

N777AS belongs to MidEast Jets.

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:03 pm

I know he charters aircraft for different events. He had something up in Juneau, Alaska while my uncle was working at the tower at JNU and my uncle cleared a couple of 747s in for him.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:30 pm

I'm surprised he doesnt have something like this:



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Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:04 pm

Bill G. Has 2 aircraft, a GLEX and a Falcon 900.

Here is a shot of the GLEX.


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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:24 pm

I've heard he takes a small seaplane from his house at Medina on Lake Washington to another home at Union on the Hood Canal some 44 miles away. Probably charter. Any ideas.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:27 pm

When they stored Paul Allens 757 N757AF (he also owns another - N756AF) at the Delta hangar in SLC over the Thanksgiving weekend last year the pilots said that Bill uses them whenever he wants. Does anybody know the range and fuel capacity on these two 57s? The pilots said they flew Bill and Paul nonstop BFI to SYD, 6728 nm, for the 2000 Olympics. Pretty impressive for a 57.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:56 pm

Well, the range is obviously enough to make Sydney from Seattle. Since the 757 with full pax, bags and cargo has a range of about 3900 nm, considering how light the plane would be in Allen's configuration, you might only need to add 1 or 2 tanks to the cargo hold to fly SEA-SYD. Also, going down I believe has the advantage of tailwinds
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:45 pm

I'm not disputing the range of a B757 configured as a business jet because I just don't know, but SEA-SYD should have head winds, not tail winds. SYD-SEA would be easier.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:59 pm

The urban legend about Bill Gates flying coach are not legend, they are fact. I know this to an absolute certainty. There are some rather famous stories about some of Bill Gates' antics flying on commercial flights...and that was way back when Microsoft had only four buildings in Redmond. It would not surprise me now that he uses private aircraft and would have more than one stashed around in different places. I say good for him. He is one man who I do not begrudge his wealth; he earned it all on his own (with more than a little help from Paul).

We all are reaping the benefits of their work...he certainly has earned the right to go where he wants, when he wants.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:00 am

Does he fly alot?If he does,why doesn't he get a big plane and make it like AF1?
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:57 am

A lot of people on the Forbes List don't want to be noticed when they roll into an FBO. I would imagine the richest man on Earth would have a concern about security.

So, he can sneak into a town in a non-descript GLEX or have a parade with fighter escort in his 747-400.TC
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:18 am

"We all are reaping the benefits of their work..."

...and all the stress, as well.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:16 am

Probably also helps when going into cities and being able to get closer airports - i.e.: If he had a 747-400 he'd have to fly into LHR, LGW...with a smaller jet, he can shoot in and out of LCY. Saves lots of time.
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:27 am

I'm not trying to turn this topic off but what other top 100 richest people own a/c? Does the CEO of IKEA (now apparently the richest man in the world) have a few a/c of his own.... And other companies such as Starbucks and Homedepot..

Just thought it would make this topic a bit more interesting!

Thanks again!

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And Mr. Allan does have a few smaller jets. If I recall correctly his Global Express was the one that got crammed by a car in Asia..

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:30 am

>I'm not disputing the range of a B757 configured as a business jet because I just don't know, but SEA-SYD should have head winds, not tail winds. SYD-SEA would be easier.<

oops, but they still did it. That is why they are Microsoft
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:25 am

A lot of the richest would probably own the Bombardier BD-700 Global Express. It's small, yet not 'cramped,' it can land on small runways (like somebody said, it would not have to land at the bigger airports), and it also has a fair range to it. In fact, it's range is little less than that of a B747-400.

Also, its one of the most beautiful bizjets out there!

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:34 am

Bill Gates apparently was travelling in coach as late as the late 1990s, according to the book "Bill Gates Speaks", part of a series whose other titles include "Warren Buffet Speaks" and "Jack Welch Speaks". His view was that coach was perfectly comfortable for him, and that paying for a first class ticket was a wastes of money, however apparently he was frequently upgraded to First class, and did not protest when that occured. He said he considered it would be a waste of money for Microsoft to buy a private jet. Whether or not this is still the case is anyone's guess, I'd not be suprised if post-9/11 his opinion of flying commercial has changed.

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:54 am

here is how Gates came to own his own his own jets.

Warren Buffet gave, as a gift, a fractional ownership thru NetJets (I believe Warren B is an investor in NetJets). The Gates family, once they had experienced flying private, made the investment in their own aircraft.
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:01 am

I believe Warren B is an investor in NetJets

He actually owns NetJets through his Berkshire Hathaway conglomerate.

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:18 am

I had someone tell me that he had worked out an agreement with an Airline in The Us, and has a 757 painted in the airline livery. The reason being He can travel decreetly with a small group,and body guards.He purchased the aircraft with the airline from Boeing,and spends most of its time in seattle.When traveling many think he just charted an airliner when in reality it seats 50 guest. Any spotters see any 757s in an airline livery that hangs out up there..Doesnt Delta have a 737 in executive configuration but has Dal Livery on the outside. I think it was leo Mullins plane///.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:19 am

Do private aircraft have to follow ETOPS?
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:33 am

I have seen Bill Gates arrive at Chicago Midway a couple of time times on a private 757. The aircraft is very non descript. The aircraft is usually parked at and handled by Atlantic Aviation on of the large FBO's at Midway.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:38 am

Private aircraft do not have to follow ETOPS. If they did, it would be difficult for a GLEX to fly LAX-SYD, which they do all the time.

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:58 am

I would like to make a correction to Paul Allen's planes. He has not one but TWO 757s a BBJ, a Global Express and some other smaller planes. Paul Allen has the largest hanger at BFI with the exception of the ones belonging to Boeing. I worked at the airport and never saw Paul Allen's planes take off, but have seen both the 757s present at the same time when driving on the east side of the field. I don't know where Bill Gates keeps his jet at the field, but it is based at BFI as well. It was always fun to see where he was off to. But that thing is a beast and gets off the runway in no time at all and is probably the only jet that can get airborne by the time it passes the Museum of Flight on a northbound departure on a regular basis.


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Bill Gates is probably one of the least arrogant people in Seattle. With the exception of his big house, he doesn't live an overly extravagant lifestyle when compared to Paul Allen. Paul Allen's house on Mercer Island has been rumored to be worth more then Bill Gates' estate across Lake Washington in Medina. A couple years ago I had dinner just a couple tables away from him at a private club and he seemed unassuming and he had no body guards. There were no glass walls or anything protecting him like some people think there would be. He sat down with his family right next to other regular people. Up until recently he has also been seen at local movie theatres as well and drives a Lexus LS400. His plane is functional, but nothing like Paul Allen's fleet and it is true that up until recently (I don't know if he still does) he has flown in economy.

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:05 am

Bill Gates is pretty frugal. I hear he rarely splurges on himself, drives a relatively cheap car (I say relative, because its under 150K and 150K is not alot of money when thats how much he makes in like an hour)
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:55 am

Bill Gates doesn't own a 757.
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:03 am

I've heard he takes a small seaplane from his house at Medina on Lake Washington to another home at Union on the Hood Canal some 44 miles away. Probably charter. Any ideas.

My cousin, a guy pretty high up at Microsoft, and his family live on Lake Washington down the shoreline from the Gates residence. I've spent two, one week vacations at his house and I've never seen a seaplane around there. In addition, when you're crossing the 520 bridge into Medina, I've never seen seaplanes floating by the Gates residence.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:24 am

It wouldn't surprise me if he has used a sea plane before. Kenmore air has quite a few of them up in Kenmore which isn't that far away. Also there are some residents of Mercer Island that have seaplanes. I could see them very frequently when I lived on the east channel of Lake Washington within a few miles of both Gates and Allen. I am sure Kenmore air would love to do a charter for Bill Gates. They do them all the time for other people up to Canada from Lake Washington and Lake Union. And yes both the 757s belong to Paul Allen.
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:34 am

Let me set a few things straight in this thread.

Paul Allen does not own a BBJ.

The GLEX hasn't been seen in months, since the Asiana driver speared it (or was it a Korean Air employee?). It is in TUS being repaired, rumor here is that Paul Allen won't be taking it back.

Bill Gates doesn't come to and fro in a float plane.

Paul Allen has a Twin Otter that his family uses to travel from their compound in Hood Canal back to BFI.

Paul Allen has a helicopter, but I couldn't tell you what kind (it is a MD NOTAR model).

 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:03 pm

Thanks everyone for the info, this was my first post and extremely happy with all the responses.

Much Thanks,

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:24 pm

Most of the Forbes List have planes ranging from Trump's 727(he also has a Gulfstream of some kind) to the Arab's 744's.

Generally, they settle on the Gulfstream IV's or V's, Falcon 50/900 or GLEX's. There are a smattering of BBJ's around but a lot of FBO's can't accomodate an airplane that large. Even the GV is tight on a lot of ramps.

I wouldn't want to do LAX-SYD in a bizjet. As it stands, we do LAX-BKK with a fuel stop in a GV. I've done the midwest to Istanbul non-stop(in fact, most of the way, we did M .85). Over the oceans we use Equal Time Points which gives us the rough equivalent of ETOPS without being required to stay within the 180 min. range.

The engines and systems on the aforementioned aircraft are as advanced as anything in the air. The GV has the same level of redundancy as the 767/777. In fact, the APU's have a larger envelope than those of the airliners.

I remarked to my friend as we were over the N.Atlantic a couple of weeks ago that we used to approach a crossing like a mission to the moon. Now, we just jump in and go without a second thought. Some of that stems from experience but the bulk of our confidence is the aircraft and it's systems.

Sorry to hijack the thread a little.TC
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:36 pm

"A couple years ago I had dinner just a couple tables away from him at a private club and he seemed unassuming and he had no body guards."

Well now at least there are bodyguards with him where ever he goes. His vehicles e.g, the lexus are bullet proof. And there usually is a security suburban or two with him. And personally if I were him I would have the pertection, with all the looney people in this World.

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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:42 pm

AA717driver,
Are you still in Indy? Sounds like you are a corporate pilot. With the mention of G-V's across the Atlantic I'm guessing you either work for the company that our new Governor was a CEO of or for the company building a new 16 story HQ across the street from the statehouse. I always like to know what the other IND a.netters are up too.
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:42 pm

I heard Bill Gates about 10 years ago in an interview on WGN-AM in Chicago. He said that when he was flying at Microsoft's expense, he flew coach. Flying first class was merely wasting company money, and as CEO, his obligation to MFST shareholders was to spend company money wisely.

I've heard a number of stories about the friendship of Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. Although Berkshire Hathaway has not invested in tech stocks, rumor has it that Buffet has some of his own money invested in MFST.

I've also heard that Buffet took Gates shopping for his wife's engagement ring at the jewelry store in Omaha that Berkshire Hathaway owns. Supposedly, Buffet reminded Gates that it is customary to spend 10% of one's salary on an engagement ring. Could you imagine how many carats that ring would be?
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:18 pm

AA717driver was a pilot flying for TWA/AA (guess which airplane?). He appears to have now switched to corporate piloting. He is also one of the most knowledgable and honest pilots on the list (all are, he is even more so). BTW, who are you flying for now? I keep forgetting to add him to the RR list, today I haven't

Bill Gates probably laughed his ass off about the 10% thing, considering that it would be hard to make a ring that expensive
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:08 am

Bill Gates "only" receives (if I remember correctly) something like $750k per year in salary (not that this is a small amount). His huge wealth ($50 billion?) comes from his stock holdings in MSFT as well as other companies.
 
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RE: Bill Gates Private Aircraft?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:12 am

It is well established that Bill Gates used to fly on commercial flights, in coach, up until a number of years ago. He bought his own private jet - not Microsoft for him - (a/c described above) due to the need for greater flexibility in travel and security. Probably by owning his own jet, there are personal tax advantages and since much of his travel is not so much for Microsoft, but as a business leader, traveling to major conferences, like Davos in Switzerland.
Bill Gates is also a collector of rare, high preformance cars inculding one supercar Porsche (959?) he bought in the late 1980's that was illegal to import and operate on USA roads with US registration.