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Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:26 am

Air Force One is always amazingly clean for obvious reasons. Does anyone know how old the aircraft is? Also where does it's maintenance/cleaning get performed?

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:33 am

Construction Number : 23825
Line Number : 685
Built As : 747-2G4B (VC-25A)
Test Registration : N60659
First Flight : 29.10.1987
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:42 am

I am guessing it gets cleaned overseas by a non union company  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:00 am

Huh? I guess that's sarcasm....

It's a USAF aircraft... It gets taken care of by a USAF flight crew and ground echelon. Boeing has a support contract....
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:03 am

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:43 am

The 89th Air Wing takes GREAT pride in their work and it's a HUGE honor to be chosen to be part of the 89th. They do most all of their own cleaning and maintenance right at Andrews. I think SAM2800 went active at the very end of George HW Bush's term, so 1989-90. Flying over Andrews AFB it looks most any AFB, except for the huge hangar in the one cornor of the base.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:35 am

If im not mistaken Bush has already logged more miles than any other flying president. Just look here on airliners, there are tons of pics of this plane everywhere all the time,but this doesnt count many trips...and secret trips...like flying into iraq disguised as a gulfstream...lol
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:42 am

Don't forget that there are actually two B742s (VC-25As), 82-8000 and 92-9000. The president also uses the B752s (VC-32As) from time to time.


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I think SAM2800 went active at the very end of George HW Bush's term, so 1989-90.
It looks like you are coorect. Planemad says that there were both delivered in 1990.

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:39 am

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:49 am

If im not mistaken Bush has already logged more miles than any other flying president. Just look here on airliners, there are tons of pics of this plane everywhere

I don't think you can base that statement on the number of pictures here on A.net. You need to remember that digital camera technology has expolded in the last few years and more and more people now own them and use them.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:53 am

The press was hounding about him spending an average of one night a week in the white house since june. But he was rocking an rolling for the last 3 years fishing, playing golf going back to texas...
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:58 am

82-8000 was delivered in Sep. 1990, and I believe 92-9000 was delivered in Dec. 1990 or Jan. 1991.

I also heard that as a cost-cutting measure the 89th has hired cleaning crews from Air France to clean the VC-25As.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:39 am

Remember, they are only Air Force 1 when whoever the president is is on board. If someone else is flying, they have different callsigns. Same, the 757s, BBJs, GVs etc. are Air Force 1 with the executive on board.

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:30 am

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:14 am

((If im not mistaken Bush has already logged more miles than any other flying president))
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:39 am

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:08 am

Is it me or does it look like the Air Force uses Armorall on the tires!?!?

Check out the shine on the front right nose gear tire!

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:14 am

I guess Air France isn't responsible for clean AF1 when it goes into DeGaulle? Lol. As if they had a crew that washed planes anyway...
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:04 am

You should see the National Geographic Film about AF1. It tells you a lot of things about it. People are cleaning it like 24/7!

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:09 am

I believe that UAL provides the entertainment on board the a/c, and I think the menus as well.

I had heard or saw that somewhere, perhaps another a-net member can confirm that.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:20 am

Same would go for UAL anywhere here in the US American762 - they don't even have a wash rack anymore! LOL
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:48 am

How many flight crew fly AirForce 1 and how do you get selected to do so?

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:56 am

USAF provides the food and entertainment aboard the aircraft.

AF1 personnel get selected predominately from the 89th AW. So you'd need to get selected for the 89th first, do your time there, then if you don't screw up you might get a shot at AF1.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:45 am

N1120A, Air Force 1 is synonymous with the 747-200 (VC-25A), so whenever you hear someone talking about A1, let's just assume we're talking about the Boeing queens...
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:03 pm

Didn't Clinton also get to use a VC-137 as well?
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:18 pm

Didn't Clinton also get to use a VC-137 as well?

Yes, I think he did a few times into airports that would not support the VC-25 as they did not yet have the VC-32's. (757's)
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:39 pm

The VC-25 was bought on the basis that it could get into airfields the VC-137 could not. Clinton used the VC-137 when then mission did not require the VC-25 or when the VC-25 was in PDM.
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:58 pm

The current VC-25's were delivered towards the beginning of Bush the elder's term 1990, not toward the end (1992-93).

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:46 pm

I don't think UAL does anything on the 747, but they do have the maintenance contract on the B757
 
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:51 am

Air Force 1 is synonymous with the 747-200 (VC-25A), so whenever you hear someone talking about A1, let's just assume we're talking about the Boeing queens...

Careful. The president actually uses the B752s (VC-32As) more often than you'd think. As the others are saying, its necessary sometimes to use a B752 to get to airports with smaller runways. This began especially evident in the Bush 2004 campaign when he traveled to many smaller airports. Bush arrived in MSP with a B752 once this year after traveling from EAU.

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Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:58 am

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:18 am

I believe that UAL provides the entertainment on board the a/c, and I think the menus as well.

The 89th does it's own food service and personally shops "undercover" for most provisions from a random pick of local stores.

If im not mistaken Bush has already logged more miles than any other flying president.

Clinton is the heaviest user of AF1 to date. Granted he had 2 terms to do so and much has to do with many more foreign trips than Bush, 43, and Clinton was also a much heavier campaigner for other Dems than Bush was in the last off-year election. Bush has a chance of catching him, given the distance from Andrews to Waco, TX and the fact that Clinton didn't spend much time "home" in Arkansas after he was elected. And that Bush gets back to his Crawford, TX home quite often.
 
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:46 am

If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure I heard that UAL was chosen for the 747 flight training for the AF1 flight crews. Not sure if that's still the case since UA only flies the -400s, but maybe they still do.

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:53 am

Watch out Pilottim747, because the 747s are more higly recognized by the public. That's all I'm saying, is that, if you ask people to point to A1, they'll most likely point to the 747s and not the 757s. After all, this thread titled was refering to the 747s. Us "aviation buffs" know more, though...  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:11 am

>If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure I heard that UAL was chosen for the 747 flight training for the AF1 flight crews. Not sure if that's still the case since UA only flies the -400s, but maybe they still do.<

Back when the VC-25 was introduced, UA had 741s, 747SPs, 742s and 744s, so they were in a good position to train the crews. Also, all 747s are on the same certificate, so they have a common type rating. Also, UA is in the best position of any carrier to offer training to the 89th because they are the only US airline that operate the 747, 757 and 737 in the same fleet, meaning they can train on all 3 main aircraft (VC-25, C-32 and C-40 (BBJ))
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:13 am

Under what "division" does the third B747-200 (E4-B) fall (73-1676)?

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:18 am

All I know is the movie was lousy and inaccurate
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:34 am

My last TDY (temporary duty) in the Air Force was to provide security (I was a cop) for AF1. Just before being relieved of our shift and just prior to Bush 41 coming in to fly back to Texas, our security team got a front/back, top/bottom tour of AF1. The biggest thrill of my yrs in the AF. "Air Force One" - the movie - does a small amount of justice to the plane. There is NO ejection pod. Just behind the cockpit is the communications area and this is also where the VCR's (then, maybe DVD's now) are located. One movie can be shown to all the TV's on board or a different movie for each TV.

Buy Von Hardesty's book "Air Force One" and you will see and read quite a bit of the current AF1 as well as those past.

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Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:05 pm

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Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:25 pm

I'm going to get flamed for this...but IMHO (notice its MY HO)..i think its the BIGGEST waste of taxpayers money...of which i'm one of them..i think we need a referendum to eliminate, or downsize AF-1........what a waste..

I understand GWB is one of the if not the most powerful man in the world, and he needs to be protected, traveling safely, travel with staff, and be able to communicate with everyone who he needs to in real time (staff, etc)... and I know that AF-1 has critical communications equipment, etc., etc....but considering that a Gulf Stream could do the the same thing (i'm not saying use a Gulf Stream), why not use something smaller and save some taxpayers some money.......???

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:52 pm

All I know is the movie was lousy and inaccurate

That's why they call it a movie instead of a documentary.

I'm going to get flamed for this...but IMHO (notice its MY HO)..i think its the BIGGEST waste of taxpayers money...of which I'm one of them..I think we need a referendum to eliminate, or downsize AF-1........what a waste..

A legitimate beef. But Goerge Bush Sr. made a good point in one Air Force One documentary. The President never flies alone. Many times, there are several people that travel along with the President. Military officials, press, cabinet members, etc. Those missions do indeed support an aircraft the size of the 747.

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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:37 pm

Under what "division" does the third B747-200 (E4-B) fall (73-1676)?

There are 4 E-4Bs. Trivia: They are often used to train air-to-air refueling for the VC-25 crews since it doesn't matter as much if the probe scratches the paint on the nose.


I'm going to get flamed for this...but IMHO (notice its MY HO)..i think its the BIGGEST waste of taxpayers money...of which i'm one of them..i think we need a referendum to eliminate, or downsize AF-1........what a waste..

As Boeing_nut says, a legitimate beef. But hey, they fill the plane up AND normally a C-5 or two with vehicles. It's not like they are rattling about empty. And besides it's really a very very very minor item on the federal budget despite it's size. I'm sure you could find other things to cut which would benefit the taxpayer much more.
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RE: Air Force One - Impeccable

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:21 am

...normally a C-5 or two ...

an understatement if I ever heard one....

C-5s normally only go on overseas trips to support "Marine 1". Stateside you'll see 2 or 3 C-17s per stop. If he makes 3 or 4 stops on the trip you could see 12 C-17s at 4 legs (position to Andrews, Andrews to stop, stop to Andrews, and then deposition to home base) each or 48 missions generated for the trip. And that's for a simple stateside campaign type trip. Trips to the Presidents domicile, i.e. Crawford, is less complex because equipment is on station there for the duration. All of the C-17, C-5, or C-141 lift is Secret Service or Military support of the President.

For a longer trip, say Clintons trip to Africa in 1998, the first wave of airlift will go to the first stop in advance of the President leaving Andrews. The second wave will go to the second stop. When the President leaves the first stop that group may go to the third stop in leapfrog fashion.

Then also on the overseas trips you'll have the backup AF1 and a E4, not necessarily at the same place as the president but close, i.e. in theatre. Then last but not least you've got the press plane. Not at taxpayer expense but organized and contracted thru the White House travel office (can you say "TravelGate"?)

All my experience with this is pre 9/11 so things may have changed....

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