SQno1
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Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:52 am

If I Take An Example

(Return) 11/03/05 - 18/03/05 LHR-JFK On BA = £265.20
(One-Way) 18/03/05 LHR-JFK On BA = £445.40

I don't get it
Can any of you explain it

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bobnwa
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:00 am

It is more expensive because generally with a one way, the passenger has to fly on that flight and at that time. Thus he is willing to pay more. This is the fare that business travelers use and they pay more. Return fares(round trip in the US) are for leisure travelers.

Law of supply and demand. If you really need it you will pay more for it.
 
Leskova
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:06 am

Beyond - or to expand on - what Bobnwa already said, compare the rules for those two fares: the return will, most likely, be quite restrictive regarding cancellations, rebookings etc., while the oneway will probably be quite liberal in those regards.

Compare two fares, a oneway and a return, that both have more or less the same set of rules, regulations and fees, and you will find that the oneway is usually somewhere around 50-60% of the return fare...

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Frank
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BAxMAN
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:12 am

Look for a flexible economy ticket on ba.com, and you'll find that the oneway fare will be half of this. Oneways are just not discounted on trans-Atlantic journeys, whereas return fares, which are typically aimed at the leisure market, are discounted.
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Regis
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:23 am

This is a popular topic in this forum and has been discussed many times. The last time this question popped up I believe the consensus was that one-way fares are used mostly by business people who don't fly on their own dime and therefore don't care how much the ticket costs. Airlines take advantage of these "cost-unconscious" travelers to rip them off.

[Edited 2004-11-07 23:27:26]
 
jamotcx
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:29 am

Of course if you only need to go oneway you can buy a return and not use the return leg.


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SQno1
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:41 am

Well if anybody's intrested i am planning a gap trip to the United States in a couple of years and i am trying to get a idea of how much it is going to cost. My intineary would be like this:

LON/BRS - JFK/EWR
EWR/ JFK/ LAS - IAD/ DCA
DCA/IAD - MCO
MCO - LAX
LAX - LAS - LAX (Day Trip)
LAX - LON /BRS

I am trying to see if it is cheaper to book this intineary seperately or in one. I got £860 for all flights with UA and the day trip to LAS on Southwest.
So far the best I ahve got to NYC is on FI for £171.

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aa757first
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:25 am

Jamotcx,

That is known as throw-away ticketing and it is against the rules. If you do that and the airline discovers it, you could be denied boarding, the travel agent you booked with could get into serious trouble, ect. It is not recommended.

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highpeaklad
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:42 am

Aa757first,

It may be against the rules in the USA but it isn't in the UK. My friend had to change his travel plans when flying to southern africa. The upshot was he needed to buy a single ticket from JNB to Harare on a British Airways franchise airline to connect with his LHR - JNB - LHR (travelling overland from Harare to JNB) .The single fare was very expensive so the agent suggested buying a much cheaper return ticket and not using the return portion. This is what he did , I know this is true because I was stood next to him and it wasn't through a travel agent but at the British Airways ticket office in Manchester.
I have seen these warnings on US airline websites but I don't think there's anything to stop you in the US.

Happy flying,

Chris
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highpeaklad
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:48 am

Oops, Sorry that should read there's nothing to stop you in the UK.
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hawaiian717
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:53 am

Throw-away ticketing is one of the hardest to enforce, since they'd be denying you boarding for the return leg, which you never had any intention of taking anyway. They'd be more likely to penalize the agent you booked though, assuming you didn't book it direct.

David / MRY
 
Leskova
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:03 am

Actually, I've had LH's service centers (for travel agents) actively suggesting issuing a throw-away-ticket quite a few times now - so there really doesn't seem to be any problem with that on this side of the Atlantic, or at least here in Germany...

I asked once - and the response I got was "What could happen? We'll cancel the return flight - so what... and since we'll never know if the passenger actually intended not to take the flight, or if he/she simply missed the flight, it would hardly be justifiable to charge the travel agent, or the passenger, any additional amount".

Regards,
Frank
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TonyBurr
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:09 am

It is one more example of the stupidity of the legacy carriers. SInce it is cheaper to buy a one way, or back to back ticket, people do that. The airline then has a seat it could have sold if it had sold a decent one way. You will notice that many of the LCC have a one way decent fare. One MORE example of why the LCC will survive, but the legacy carriers are still living out of an antiquated business model. That is why they also overbook, and then when everyone shows up they are again in PR trouble.

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FrequentFlyKid
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:13 am

I agree with Tony. The legacy carriers have set themselves up for people to purchase roundtrips when they don't intend on using the return portion. What person in their right mind is going to pay two or three times as much for a one-way when all they have to do is purchase a roundtrip and not show up for the return? It's common sense. This is also another reason that the legacy airlines need to simplify their fare structures.
 
Cory6188
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:07 am

What are they going to deny you boarding on if you use a throwaway ticket? If you show up for your return flight, you were never going to skip it in the first place, and if you don't show up, how can they deny you boarding on a flight you never showed up for?

If you booked it directly, the airline has no recourse. Even if you book it through a travel agent, they have no control over whether or not you show up for the flight.
 
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:11 am

Do airlines have a system in place to catch repeat offenders of this?
 
ACAfan
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:19 am

Because the airlines are stupid!
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SPREE34
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:24 am

One way? Not a problem on AirTran!! I needed it a couple of times last year. In the past, I did the round trip throw away return portion. AirTran was even less expensive than that.
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ejmmsu
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:52 am

Here is a prime example on Delta Connection ASA

DFW-GTR-DFW $280 round trip

DFW-GTR $864 one way

I decided to fly into BHM instead on WN from OKC, for only $81 dollars.
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SAA-SAL
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:30 pm

A travel agent actively recommended me to buy a return throw-away ticket on Swiss last year. No regulations this side of the Atlantic.
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odafz
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:29 pm

5 years ago, I purchased 2 round trip tickets for my parents. They were leaving BEY for good with no intention of returning. The travel agency itself assured they were no problems to issue a round trip ticket for both of them. Consequently, I bought a Excursion fare tickets (45 days) with confirmed return , one week before the return date, I just call the travel agency to cancel the reservation.
No harm was done either to me, the travel agency nor the airline (which was happy that 2 seats were freed during the busy summer seaon).

PS the price of the 1-way ticket was 2.5 more expensive that the round trip ticket...


 
FJWH
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:55 pm

A KL example:

AMS - BCN - AMS --> €137
AMS - BCN OR
BCN - AMS --> €540
Then your flying business... With KL, you can't fly a one way with economy fares  Sad
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lincoln
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:25 am

RE: Throwaway ticketing, a co-worker who used to own his own agency and then up till the late 90s worked as a corporate agent within a fairly large (biomed) firm...

He has told me that the carriers would, in fact, come after agents from time to time and collect fare differences for throwaway ticketing, hidden city ticketing, you name it.

He also said that he was aware of a few cases where people who purchased a roundtrip from the airline & only used 1/2 of it later had their credit card charged the difference. He told me if I ever wanted to do it just about the only way to make sure you don't get dinged would be to pay cash at a city ticket office (how many of them exist anymore?) or an airport counter.

Everything else he's told me thus far has been accurate, so I have no reason to doubt hi., though he has been out of the industry for a little over 5 years now...

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FLY2LIM
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:42 am

Does anyone really think that the airlines have the manpower in place to go after throwaway tickets? Remember, someone could have experienced a tragedy or something that changed their plans and had to remain in the country/city for longer, thus breaking the rules of the fare. Do the carriers, legacy or not, have a local "ticket enforcement bureau" to go after repeat offenders?
I once had to buy a one way to LIM so, obviously, took advantage of the savings and bought a return, for my wife and I. I didn't even cancel the return, just didn't show up. Years later, I'm still a happy customer of the same airline and there never was any follow up.
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EZYman
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:30 am

Carriers aren't after leisure travelers, they are after business travelers who abuse the system and who re-offend, if they don't turn up for one flight the airline can catch them on their next flight.

Also for example, a business man flying LHR-AMS-LHR in a single day will pay a lot more for a return ticket on one day than he would if he bought 2 return tickets which over lap on that day, so he could use the outward journey from one ticket(with the return being the following week which he would never intend on using) and the return on the other (with the outward journey booked for the week before that he also never intended using), this way he could pay a lot less for travel on the same day. This is illegal as he hasn't paid the correct price for the whole return journey that he made.
 
irishjohn
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:46 am



Thank God for Ryanair!!!!
 
FJWH
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:42 am

...and other LCC's..
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regupilot
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:59 am

This past summer I had a similar experience with a friend that was flying from ELP to SJU. He was comming to stay, so we went searching for prices and found a $560 ELP-SJU one way ticket. If I wanted a SJU-ELP-SJU instead, it was priced on $232! Amazing! So we decided to try it, bu then Delta said that if a passenger doesn't board the first flight, then the next leg is automatically canceled.

Now that I'm writing this... I didn't check ELP-SJU-ELP. Maybe it was cheaper! Well... too bad! He's already here! hehehe!

Cheers!

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paulc415
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:02 am

As a systems man here are my tips.

Buy your back to back tickets on different airlines flying the same routes.

If you intend to use a rtn as a ow, call the airline to cancel the empty leg, totally throw's the systems.

The airlines, imo, are trying to track the patterns and have no problem taking the travel agent to task, even if it's not their fault. I think there are at least 2 court cases in the US where agents are challenging the airlines on the fines that are imposed.

It is time that the fares of the legacy carriers are made more realistic and open.
 
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RE: Why Is One-Way More Expensive Than Return?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:12 am

I had the following experience:
I flew into JFK on Delta and decided not to use my return because it was 60% cheaper to buy a roundtrip.
On the day of my flight, armed TSA personel came to my house, handcuffed me and put me on the flight back to LAX. They didn't release me before well after the terminal doors at LAX.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy I hope TSA don't put me on the blacklist for this stupid joke... repeat... JOKE...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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