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Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:22 am

Just saw this on the a webpage. New bases opening in IND and PDX.
PDX-AMS is forthcoming for a possible March 1st start.

http://pfaawatch.com/forum/threads.php?id=1018_0_5_0_C



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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:26 am

Why would a new FA base be needed in IND, if a majority of the new flights are currently being flown by Pinnacle?
 
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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:27 am

Interesting... no sign of a MKE base though? That's odd. I'm wondering if an announcement in imminant regarding PDX-AMS? March 1 is not far away and nothing is available for purchase as of yet. Could this be where the extra 330-200 is going?


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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:30 am

Jetjack74-

I have seen you post previously about PDX-AMS but I have heard no announcment and nothing in the newspaper indicating this is in the works. It seems that a March 1 start is pretty close for a new route such as this. When do you think NW will make it "official". As much as I would like to see it, I have trouble believing PDX could support 2 daily NS flights to Europe. Have you heard if NW is considering MEM or JFK or BOS or MCO??
 
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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:38 am

Kwbl - MEM, JFK and BOS are all linked to AMS.


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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:40 am

Whoops-poorly worded on my part. I meant PDX to MEM, JFK, MCO etc...Sorry about the confusion!
 
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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:42 am

I'm doubtful with either of these bases.

Why would they open a new FA base in PDX, when they can bridge them in from SEA. Similar to how the new A330 pilot base will shortly be opening in SEA.

As for IND, its so easy to bridge in crews from DTW, MSP, and MEM, why would they go to the expense to open such a base for the handful of non-hub NW routes.
 
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RE: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:42 am

Oh - I'm willing to put money on never seeing JFK or MCO. It doesn't fit into their business model. MEM however, is likely since it is a hub. If it happens it would probably be a 319 once a day.


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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:06 am

As for IND, its so easy to bridge in crews from DTW, MSP, and MEM, why would they go to the expense to open such a base for the handful of non-hub NW routes.

You think so? It's very costly to have to postion crews in and out of station like that. Deadhead-working crews helps to alliviate some of this cost, except when it's a DC9-40 or a 50. Which only can spare one extra jumpseat. And the IND-LAX may not be able to be timed accordingly for legality reasons. It does sound abit far-fetched, but it does hold water. Maybe they're anticipating opening up more routes in another few weeks.

Now the PDX base, I think is very good possiblity. The HNL crews are covering the PDX-NRT, but any additional flying I would suspect would put a strain on the base itself. If you happen to be going to PDX sometime soon, ask some of the staff about the PDX-AMS, see what info you can find. I do a lot of 757 trips and I ask almost all the CSA's about it. The Customer Service Supervisor and the CSAs that I spoke to, they seem to be very sure this going to happen. March 1st is the date that the CSS gave me.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:13 am

I have seen you post previously about PDX-AMS but I have heard no announcment and nothing in the newspaper indicating this is in the works
Yeah and it was a shock when NW announced the PDX-NRT and PDX-HNL service additions. NW does this frequently. They rare send send out pre-press releases. When was the last time you saw this headline, "Northwest files application to fly from XXX-XXX"? It was a 4 month window to the start of DTW-CAN from when the announced it. They may divert the use of an aircraft from another route. You never can tell.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:21 am

But jack - don't you think they would have announced it already if it were starting March 1? They've got to start marketing it and start selling seats on these flights soon. Although, they announced the IND stuff in July about 3.5 months out so maybe it's possible.


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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:44 am

Ok maybe the March 1st date that they said, may have been confused with an announcement date. I tried to ask the CSS but he had to push a flight and didn't get the clarification before we started to board. I wasn't sure what he mean't by that. So my gaffe. It's anyone's guess. NW operates differently than many of the other carriers. I'm not saying this is factual, but the chatter and the people i've spoken too, leads me to believe that this is going to happen. But NW is a day to day carrier, and things change at the drop of a hat over there in Building A.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:55 am

I don't doubt you jetjack... I just doubt the timing of it all. NWA is a "slide under the radar" airline. While they don't make a big deal about every little thing and issue press releases like there's no tomorrow... they WILL announce any new route with plenty of time to market and seel the seats. If this comes to fruition, it will be just in time for the summer season.


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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:08 am

I just love NWA! I'm so happy that they're showing some interest in PDX. I really do hope that the PDX-AMS,PDX-MEM, heck PDX to anywhere comes to fuition. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that NWA will make PDX it's next focus city.....
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:22 am

Well, IND makes since to me especially with drastic changes coming for US Airways and ATA, or perhaps possible liquidation of business and assets for both of those carriers. If both carriers cease operations, Northwest would be in a perfect position to sweep in and comfortably using A319's make Orlando, Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale easily 3x a day, Ft. Meyers 1x a day, Sarasota 1x a day, Los Angeles 2x a day, Boston 3x a day, Washington National 4x a day, Las Vegas 3x a day, Phoenix 3x a day, and New York LaGuardia 5x a day.

If they don't liquidate, I look for Northwest to keep Phoenix operating year around rather than just seasonal service. I wouldn't be surprised if their next round of route expansions include once a day nonstops to Seattle or San Francisco.





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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:36 am

It would be so cool seeing 2 A330-200 parked next to eachother at the international concourse D at PDX.
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:47 am

>Why would they open a new FA base in PDX, when they can bridge them in from SEA. Similar to how the new A330 pilot base will shortly be opening in SEA.<

It is harder to bridge larger F/A crews than it is to bridge 2-3 pilots
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:06 am

Why would we have new bases anywhere when you have BOS and SEA and LAX and SFO that aren't that big as it is. BOS and LAX have seen their bases slashed dramatically in the past five years. It makes no sense to have a new base in IND when DTW is very close by and you can build those flight patterns out of any other base. I am not saying it couldn't happen, but it doesn't seem to make much sense. With a new FA base, no matter how small, you would have a lot of staffing necessary (base manager, FA manager, Ground OPS manager, etc.....). As for AMS, let me get a raise of hands how many times that rumor was spread. NEVER HAPPEN. NW will definitely be adding flying out of MKE IND and maybe even PDX, but no FA bases.
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:48 am

BOS and LAX have seen their bases slashed dramatically in the past five years
Actually, the west coast bases are back to there pre-9/11 levels, and hours available for bid have increased with little transfers. The west coast bases, I believe will be recalling soon after the latest round are settled in.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:57 am

What equiptment would they use for the PDX-AMS flights?
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 am

When you have an operation as large as NW's IND operations will be (and PDX's Pacific/Asia routes), having at least a reserve base is almost a necessity for irregular operations (unless flight delays or cancellations are acceptable).

I think this is why the crew base rumors have been circulating. Some NW FA's have thought that if IND and PDX became bases, it would be odd to not have one at MKE as well, since their operation there is also siginificantly large.

In any case, having bases where a large operation is located makes sense in terms of flexible crew scheduling, as well as having reserve crews should any part of the operation be affected by vacation time, crews who call in sick, flying within legal time frames, etc.

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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:58 am


LUFTHANSA has said that PDX-FRA in the winter is difficult, summer is not a problem. If NW is entering PDX-AMS - next winter may result in some "pruning" of routes.

PDX can support one daily service to a European hub, but two will be a bloodbath.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:32 am

Why would we have new bases anywhere when you have BOS and SEA and LAX and SFO that aren't that big as it is. BOS and LAX have seen their bases slashed dramatically in the past five years
Dtwintlflyer,
I don't know how long you,ve been with the company, but SFO, HNL were bases that were opened leading right up to the 93/94 bankruptcy period. Although we were in danger of filing for banruptcy, NW still opened the those bases in 91-92 timeframe. And which both still remain today.

With a new FA base, no matter how small, you would have a lot of staffing necessary (base manager, FA manager, Ground OPS manager, etc.....). As for AMS, let me get a raise of hands how many times that rumor was spread. NEVER HAPPEN. NW will definitely be adding flying out of MKE IND and maybe even PDX, but no FA bases.

Well it really depends on how much space was leased from the Port Of Portland. You would be surprised how fast things like a base opening move. SFO and HNL was a surprise to some when they opened, although there were rumors before-hand. Now AMS, I remember those rumors, but I agree that would never happen. NW like to employ local people for overseas jobs, because of the advantage that in some countries, the labor wages can be cheap. Flying will continue to grow out of these focus cities, but sometime, operational needs may drive us to open new workforce opportunities there, but never say never Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:24 am

I didn't realize both SFO and HNL came open just before the near bankruptcy. I would say most bases are up to pre 9-11 flying, but I also took in account the flying lost in the year leading up to 9-11. SEA lost KIX etc....LAX had a DC10 going to HNL....
I know it doesn't take long to stand up operations at either IND or PDX. I think that IND remains close enough to DTW to cover irregular ops. Although this too was before my start date, I didn't think MKE ever had an FA base even when there were 60 + departures out of there.

All in all, these last few weeks have shown NW continues to be in a "positive" position among the majors. I think a lot has been done in the past four years to ensure we not only survive but eventually grow again. The pieces are in place, we just need everything to continue to get better (oh and a few of those "spare" 747-400 from UAL would be nice)

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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:28 am

Jet,

It is JUST RUMOR. Also, personally, I feel it is so wrong for you to post that post since it comes "from that site"..shameful. The people on that site are losers! The people that post on that site are nothing but a bunch of losers, complainers..moaners...and scabs! Hope your not one of them!
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:36 am

Jet,

One more thing, just before Richard left, I asked him personally the question about AMS-PDX, and he said NO. That will NOT happen. SEA-AMS is close..with AS being a code share partner, they can ship people up to SEA for AMS.
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:46 am

Hey, let's do FNT/NRT on a A330 -- great flight -- and all of Flint will be on it --
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:09 am

PDX isn't the dying airport it seemed to have been a few years ago. The idea of building a new terminal is looking like a great possibility soon, along with that new runway they want so bad. Possibly an international terminal, shared by AS/WN??? Possibly UA if they begin to re-surface as a viable airline? Oh, the possibilities Smile
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:31 am

One more thing, just before Richard left, I asked him personally the question about AMS-PDX, and he said NO. That will NOT happen

And Hector Adler also said there would be no recalls until 3Q of 05.

It is JUST RUMOR. Also, personally, I feel it is so wrong for you to post that post since it comes "from that site"..shameful. The people on that site are losers! The people that post on that site are nothing but a bunch of losers, complainers..moaners...and scabs!

I don't support that webpage, and what right do you have to tell me what I can post? If there is something mentioned on that webpage that looks interesting, than i'm simply looking for verification. If that's a source of angst or you have a problem with it, I really don't give a crap. That post could've come from anywhere. There was no mention of the former union or anything derrogative towards the PFAA. Had there been, I wouldn't have posted it. Also, there lots of PFAA members who are posting on that website, so the scabs are all around you!



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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:31 am

Let's not get into a mudslinging contest about whether you like or don't like the current union. Who cares...
Everyone seemed to hate the Teamsters, so we threw them out and picked someone else. Now, those same people hate the PFAA. What a joke. For those of us interested enough to read this post beyond the NW folks, it is true....an FA will always be complaining about something. Doesn't matter how good or bad we have it...we'll complain.

Haven't we all realized that no matter who you have represent you as a group of airline workers...you will never make all the workers happy..

Getting back to the subject, this posting comes from some "talk" within the airline that made its way to a rumor page on the union website. Wow...IT IS just rumor. As with most things, I will believe it when I see it.

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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:32 pm

PDX isn't the dying airport it seemed to have been a few years ago. The idea of building a new terminal is looking like a great possibility soon,

Folly, if you ask me. There's still a lot of capacity on C and D that needs to be taken up before any construction starts for a new terminal, not to mention replacing A/B with a more modern facility that better utilizes the space available.

along with that new runway they want so bad.
Again, folly. Even the pre-9/11 PDX Master Plan indicated that a new runway was probably well off past the year 2020, not to mention the problems getting land from the Air National Guard base, the nearby golf clubs/country clubs, and relocating some of Horizon's ops.

Possibly an international terminal, shared by AS/WN???
Don't forget LH and MX. This is the only thing here I can see happening, a redeveloped A/B and redesigned former FIS area of D that would allow new international facilities at A and better regional facilities elsewhere. I still think, however, that it's a ways off.
 
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RE: Rumour: New FA Bases In IND And PDX

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:53 pm

I don't. E/D concourse is pretty well filled up these days between Delta, American, Hawaiian, Mexicana Continental, United, Skywest, Air Canada Jazz, Lufthansa, and Northwest international to Tokyo.

C concourse is the only one I see needing the space filled. But even then, there are only a few gates that go un-used during the day. And, with the rumors of AirTran, and JetBlue interested in PDX....that could be a thing of the past.

As for the new runway...
Horizon Air ops could be moved easy. I'll bet if the city built a newer, larger maintinence facility for QX, they wouldn't say no. as for the Air National Guard. Again, a newer ramp area of equal or greater area wouldn't be turned down I bet. Facilities can be moved. The largest hurdle in the new runway, is getting around the golf course. The new runway isn't the biggest issue, however. They have other areas of the airport they could build a new terminal at. A new runway at PDX isn't a huge need, as I see it, however. I do agree that the A/B concourses need to be renovated. I think Horizon could use a new facility for they're operations. the A concourse they're in now feels like a dungeon at times.
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