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Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:32 am


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I didn't know!

For a short time, perhaps.

IMO, they just don't fit Delta. But what a history.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:36 am

I think DL had them for a short period of time while waiting on the L-1011 to come into service. DL at one time had all three jumbo's (B-747, DC-10 and the L-1011) in their fleet.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:38 am

I have some pics when dal had them and in fact ive got it looks like 101 sitting right here,,,they were nice planes... I took one atl to mia once,,,i knew they flew ord to atl and atl to mia and back...then entered into some kind of agreement with panam where their crews took the plane..but it was sold off,and i believe it is still in service as a cargo ship....it was one of the best looking planes of its day....well braniffs orange pumpkins wernt to bad....
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:40 am

The livery looks a little weird on a 747! But still okay...

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:42 am

I think DL had them for a short period of time while waiting on the L-1011 to come into service. DL at one time had all three jumbo's (B-747, DC-10 and the L-1011) in their fleet.

I believe that they were the first airline to operate all three simultaneously.

...i knew they flew ord to atl and atl to mia and back...then entered into some kind of agreement with panam where their crews took the plane...

I think this was for the ATL-LHR route which Delta wasn't allowed to fly (I think because of Bermuda II), so the flight was technically a Pan Am flight, just flown with a DL aircraft.  Smile
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:43 am

In march 1974 I flew Deltas flight 25 from DTW to TPA. Flew F-class , very nice flight. Remember Delta flying 74s, L10s and DC-10s to DTW all at the same time
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:16 am

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:24 am

I would need to do some research but one of these planes had a very interesting lifespan. but with that huge widget on the side you knew it was DAL, and that thing was better looking than my girlfriend
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:34 am

MontanaFL said - I think DL had them for a short period of time while waiting on the L-1011 to come into service. DL at one time had all three jumbo's (B-747, DC-10 and the L-1011) in their fleet.

I know this has been discussed many times, but I have always believed that the term Jumbo was only in reference to the 747. The DC10 and TriStar are widebodies.
I don't think there is a formal definition of Jumbo out there, so I guess the DC10 and TriStar could be included, but it seem to be linked mostly to the 747.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:37 am

Most US majors flew the 747 at one point, save Western and Southwest.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:40 am

Well us air wasnt really around piedmont and alegheny...they were regionals.
Did eastern ever have any 47s...i knew they were big on the 10-11s
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:45 am

Ah yes, I should have exluded the US/PI family from the list.

Yes, EA did fly the 747 as well.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:50 am

Wow. Great looking ship! Ya learn somethin new everyday!
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:51 am

Was Republic a major airline? Ozark? Please help.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:56 am

Delta did indeed operate 5 DC-10's as a stop gap due to the delays in the L-1011 program. After obtaining the L-1011's, they were sold, but operated under lease. Is it possible that the 747s were used for routes that were simply too long for the pre- L-1011-500? Since the L-1011-500 did not come online until 1978, I cant think of any other aircraft Delta would have owned capable of long range flights besides these 747s pictured.
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:56 am

The Kalitta 747 that dropped the engine in Lake Michigan is a former delta 747-132. Some of them are still going strong 30 years later.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:58 am

Nope  Smile

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:01 pm

Well when north central and southern mergered it became republic,and i guess you could say they were pretty much a major prior to the nw takeover, they were running 757s, and flew coast to coast,They had more planes than some of these quote majors today.... Old ozark never made it big time...they ran those 9s and those old props for years...i think twa took them over....
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:09 pm

Besides Delta, here are some other good old 747 operators of yesteryear. I actually never saw any of these in person, but here they are:

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:17 pm

OK yeah the ones eastern had were leased from pan am,,they must have had them for just a short while,

AA had some 47s, and i toured their first 747sp when it was delivered and it was nice....I dont think the sp fit americans mold to well...

And Braniffs orange pumpkins, I think they only had two that ran Hnl flyts,,,but one had white engine cowling and the other didnt...there were a few minor differences...
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:27 pm

A 747 in American West Colors?

Does anybody know where American West flew those 742's to? The caption on the photo says that the aircraft pictured will continue from LAS to HNL to Nagoya? I didn't know American West flew those routes. Can someone wiser then I explain? Thank you to anyone who knows
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:29 pm

Gdjet16, Deltas 74s never operated outside the U.S. other than the PAN-AM interchange, which by the way started with the DC-8-52. Delta also had DC8-61s for their longhaul routes in the U.S. The 74s were bought strickley because of competetive reasons, As Eastern had orginally bought four 747s then cancelled them and leased some from Pan-am. National had also purchased 2 , so to keep up with the jones's Delta purchased 5
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:32 pm

HP used 747s! I know that's strange one HP guy told me they were to expensive to maintain that they let it go

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:32 pm

Does anybody know where American West flew those 742's to?

America West (not American West) flew those 742s PHX-HNL-NGO.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:33 pm

Thank you, Dtw9. In that case, do you happen to know what aircraft Delta started trans-Atlantic service with? Did they not start international routes until obtaining the 767's?
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:38 pm

Delta started with the L1011-200 then switched to the L-10-500
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:40 pm

HMM i know dal had Intl routes with the l-10-11, They had some 8s that would have had range,I know they served frankfort germany in the early to mid 70s,and i thought they had some latin american routes back in the late 60s early 70s,,,
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:48 pm

Yea, Delta operating the 747 was just a matter of keeping up with the Joneses, as much as I hate using that metaphor. They operated them from 1970-77, a time when the 747 had just come on line, had a lot of publicity, and everyone was buying them. Delta soon realized that they didn't really fit their route schedule, as Delta was still for the most part only a regional carrier little or no international routes.

The L-10 was having problems getting its Rolls-Royce engines, so Delta turned to the DC-10 in a knee jerk reaction to get something to cover in case the RR deal fell out. When the L-10's did finally come on, you had little ole Delta operating the 747, DC-10, and L1011. I am not sure when the original DC-10's were dropped, as Delta also operated Dc-10's after the Western merger.

I think many can agree that Delta could fill a few 747's nowdays, maybe on the routes to LGW, CDG, NRT, maybe a few others. It would be nice to see a 744 jetting around in a Delta livery.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:57 pm

United originally ordered 30 DC-10s then reduced this to 22 and bought Deltas 5 and leased them to Delta for 5 years to cover for late Tristar deliveries
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:49 pm

>AA had some 47s, and i toured their first 747sp when it was delivered and it was nice....I dont think the sp fit americans mold to well...<

The 741s and 747SPs were at AA at different times. The SPs were not delivered new to AA, rather they took them from TW in order to operate the DFW-NRT route while they waited on the MD-11s. They then ran them to LHR, and BRU until the leases ran. This was the late 1980s-early 1990s. The 741s came new from Boeing at the begining of the 747's life. One of their main routes was JFK-LAX. They were mostly domestic birds as AA (along with UA, DL, CO etc.) was a mostly domestic carrier at the time. PA, TW and NW were the main international carriers (NW mostly to the orient, TW mostly europe and the middle east and PA everywhere) with BN and EA having Latin American and Carribean networks.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:17 pm

DL's 747 flew routes like the following:

ATL/LAX, SFO, DAL/DFW, LAS
ORD/Florida
DTW/Florida
ATL/Florida
ATL/IAD/LHR (PA Codeshare, IAD/LHR operated by PA)

There were probably some other routes, as noted above they bought them to keep up with the other carriers, they were not cost effective, and eventually phased out by the mid-70's.

Rolls Royce was in danger of financial insolvency in the early 70's, jeopardizing the L1011 program (the L10 was built around the RR engine), thus Delta ordered 5 DC10's to hedge itself, when the RR situation was resolved, they sold the DC10's and leased them back from United, and eventually returned them to United. At one point, they were flying all three types, as soon as the L10's began arriving, the other two quickly departed.

Shortly after the WA merger in the mid-80's, DL operated DC10's again for a short time, these were quickly phased out in favor of the L10's.
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:51 pm

As mentioned above, Delta ordered the 747 in the 60s when travel was booming and just about every major U.S. carrier was anticipating the good times to last forever. Their arrival in the early 70s coincided with recession shortly followed by the first fuel crunch. Delta disposed of the unneeded jumbos in 1977 to Flying Tigers. Unfortunately, the following year Delta received route authority to London and had no aircraft that could economically serve that market. Delta had to lease TriStar 200s from TWA pending delivery of it's own -500s. I'm thinking the Stretch Eights could have been used but widebodies were better from a competitive standpoint.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:05 am

Eastern leased those 747's from PanAm for a few seasons for the New York - Florida runs. Some were repainted, others were in hybrid PanAm - Eastern Colors.

I am not sure why they stopped leasing them...I think they stopped when they got the L-1011s and could begin to match (somewhat) the capacity of the 747 on those runs. At least it would have been cheaper to use their own mainline jets instead of leasing 747s for the winter.
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:28 am

Delta also acquired DC10s a second time when they picked up Western--along with the entire 733 fleet.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:49 am

do we have any fakes of a 744 in DL's current scheme? that'd be neato.

kind of a funny history they have though, buying DC-10s, getting rid of them, leasing them back from United, getting rid of them, getting MD-11s (a little down the road), then getting rid of those - replacing with 777s...
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:55 am

Pan Am operated 2 747's that had formerly been leased to DL. They were 747-132 models. Re-registered as N902PA and N725PA upon entering the Pan Am fleet.

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:12 am

Yea, DL operated 5 747s from 1970-1977. I never knew they had access to LHR because of Pan Am! Well, it is definitely a bummer they didn't have the routes back then that they now have, because my guess the five 747s would have been with them a lot longer. THey would have been extremely useful on DL's LGW, FRA, and NRT routes.
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:38 am

that thing was better looking than my girlfriend

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:06 am

OMG..why am I reading this and why is this a thread????

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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:19 pm

If I remember correctly, theres a note in "The History of Delta" book that says that in return for the DC-10's leased from UA, a few L10's were counter leased to United for a bit. In either case, UA did operate a few from PA...


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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:50 pm

"...in return for the DC-10's leased from UA, a few L10's were counter leased to United for a bit."

This is not true. United never operated any L-1011s on lease from Delta in the 1970s. The only L-1011s they operated were the -500s they acquired from Pan Am in the Pacific routes deal completed in 1986.
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:34 am

As far as HP and the 747 it was one of the things that sent them to chapter 11 the first time. They had planned on making HNL a hub for Asian service. This was done during one of the boom periods of travel from Asia. I remember reading press at the time saying how HP was trying to be a true intercontinental major.
 
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:48 am

thanks for the correction, ORD! thought it seemed a bit iffy since I've only seen the UA L10's as PA ones everywhere else...
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:42 pm

I remember flying a DL 747 ORD-PBI. The ORD-PBI 727 had a mechanical so they put everyone on the ORD-MIA 747 and it stopped at PBI. It was in October so there were still plenty of seats on the flight even with the extra PBI pax. I sure wish I could have enjoyed the PBI-MIA leg but I was 7-8 years old and Mom insisted we get off at PBI (still give her crap over that)!
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RE: Delta Did Operate The 747!

Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:34 am

i've seen a picture in airliners magazine of the delta 747 taking off out of LAX. the widget looked really weird on a 747....

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