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7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:19 am

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but is the 7e7 slated to be a small widebody like the 767 or have the standard 707/727/737/757 narrow body?

I know it has been compared to the new A350 in development which will be based on the A330 body...

Thanks for any info...
 
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:21 am

It will be a widebody.

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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:33 am

Thanks for the welcome!

Are we talking along the lines of a 767 or more a A330 or 777?
 
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:35 am

A330--it will have 8 abreast seating--so wider than a 767.
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:36 am

It's very slightly wider than an A330, and will likewise seat 8 across in coach.
 
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:49 am

So have they decided on a double-bogey or triple-bogey gear system? Is the Dreamliner meant as a replacement to the 767 or as a bridge between the 76 and 77?
 
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:31 am

Boeing has set the 7E7 cross-section at 226 inches, which is wider than the Airbus A300/310/330/340 cross section of 222 inches. So a twin Isle aircraft it will be most likely with 8 777 size seats across the cabin in economy.

At a MTOW of 500,000lbs for the heaviest version 7E7-9, you'll most likely see 2 four wheel bogeys for the main landing gear. The gross weight does not justify a beefier undercarriage than that.

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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:14 am

Since it has two aisles it is a widebody.

But now for the big question: Will we see a middle seat in Business class (like on the 777)? 'Cause the A330/340 does not have one. 4" more is not enough for a seat but if you rearrange the other ones.
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:26 am

>But now for the big question: Will we see a middle seat in Business class (like on the 777)? 'Cause the A330/340 does not have one. 4" more is not enough for a seat but if you rearrange the other ones.<

Probably not, as airlines would not want to shrink the other J class seats to get one more in. The extra width is more to help it carry more cargo.

The 7E7 is meant to be a 767 and early 772 replacement, mostly though it is to replace the 767 and the A300/A310, while eating up the sales of the A330. Also, it will have longer range than all of the above and burn 20% less fuel that the 767, which burns the least fuel of the group. It will also carry more cargo than the 767/A330/A300
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:08 am

Yes, the 7e7 will be a widebody aircraft and will replace the 767 as we all know, the A300, A310 and earliest A330 as well. However Boeing could design a narrowbody 7e7 to replace the Classic 737, 757 and earliest A320 (by the time the first 7e7 enters service the A320 will be two decades old). If Boeing designs a narrowbody 7e7, both airplanes (narrowbody and widebody) will have the same cockpit like the 757 and 767 have the same cockpit.

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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:16 am

Definitely a wide body. At first I thought it would be a replacement for both the 757 and 767 but I was wrong. I also thought it would retain the 767's said to be popular 7 abreast seating in Y. Also wrong. I never had the chance to fly a 767 yet (the only BCAG product I haven't flown with the 707 and 717 but that latter one doesn't really count as Boeing, does it; and I wasn't on the market when the 707s were around  Smile) so I can't second that popularity vote. I'm sad about not having flown the 767 because I find it's an aircraft really suited for a lot of uses, just add a bit more range.

It turns out the 7E7 will be that totally perfect aircraft with ample range, but will not fit in as a 757 replacement. Probably what will succeed to the 737 family will be taking care of that.

And then we get started on the topic of Airbus' view of more and more trunk routes (A380) and Boeing's view of more and more point-to-point services (7E7). If there are enough aircraft built to support the vast number of combinations to be covered by a point-to-point 7E7 global network and if there is enough O/D traffic and yield to support sufficient frequencies on those routes then I vote Boeing's strategy a winner. I'm afraid Airbus is playing on the safer side though.

At least the replies to my topic on the future of service between Brussels and Asia make me think so with most people bashing the ability of BRU to support almost any route with the East, in great part due to its geographical location at the center between AMS, FRA, CDG and LHR and to the dominance of key airline alliances at those stations. Time only will tell.
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:54 pm

N1120a wrote:
"The extra width is more to help it carry more cargo."

I believe the B7E7 is 4 inches wider than the A330/340 in order to provide a more spacious and comfortable passenger experience (just as Airbus made the A320 slightly wider than the B737) rather than to squeeze in additional seats or to help carry more cargo.

Boeing seems to have learned from their mistake in maintaining the cross section for the B737NG. It is reportedly a factor that has worked to Airbus' advantage in sales. I expect the B737 replacement based on B7E7 technology to be slightly wider than the A320 -- perhaps an inch or two.
 
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:17 pm

>Boeing seems to have learned from their mistake in maintaining the cross section for the B737NG. It is reportedly a factor that has worked to Airbus' advantage in sales. I expect the B737 replacement based on B7E7 technology to be slightly wider than the A320 -- perhaps an inch or two<

The cross section of the 737NG has not affected its sales in the least. The only reason it is ever mentioned is as justification after an A320 order is made. The main thing that sells the A320 series is commonality and price, as the 737 performs better. Oh, also, the 737NG has been around for less than 7 years and the 737 classic has only been off the market for about 4-5, yet the 737NG has sold only about 900 less planes than the A320 series that has been around almost 2 decades (and available even longer). That really does not strike me as an advantage to Airbus

Also, the 7E7 based 737 will likely be an evolution, not a completely new design. The 737NG has proved to be an excelent plane and if you add bleedless engines, and perhaps another new wing, it will be even better. The engines alone will make them around 10% more efficient, standard winglets and possibly another wing will add more. Also, I would guess that it would be the 7E7, if anything, that would have commonality with the 737, as airlines like WN will demand commonality with their current planes.
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:23 pm

This is not as dumb a question as you think. I was at a job fair a few months ago and was speaking to Boeing reps about the 7e7, as they had a giant model at their booth. The 2 or 3 reps were complaining that it was another narrowbody. Whoops!

BTW, how do you do 8-abreast seating--2-4-2? I've never been on an aircraft that has that arrangement.
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RE: 7e7 A Widebody Or Narrow?

Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:26 pm

>BTW, how do you do 8-abreast seating--2-4-2? I've never been on an aircraft that has that arrangement.<

Yeah, it is always 2-4-2. That is the arrangement on all Airbus twin aisle aircraft, and now the 7E7.
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