Stupid question?

Tue Jan 19, 1999 7:04 pm

Could you tell me how Boieng manage to fly (for example) a B737 to his european customer? A B737 can't fly over the atlantic, can't it (no ETOPS certification for some model)?
(The same problem for Airbus and its american customers)

RE: Stupid question?

Tue Jan 19, 1999 7:39 pm

When a 737 or A320 or MD-80 isn't carrying any passengers or cargo, and has tanks full of fuel, it's range is about three times as much as what it would be in normal operation. Also I think additional fuel tanks may sometimes be added to these planes for the long delivery flights. And I don't believe there is an ETOPS required for delivery flights across the atlantic. So these facts considered, it isn't really any problem. Some NG737s and MD-90s have been flown non-stop from their factories to Europe.

RE: By the way

Tue Jan 19, 1999 7:43 pm

I have heard of charters where NG737s or A320s have been flown across the altantic from Europe, to Florida etc. They have probably made a stop in Keflavik for fuel. I think there is an airway system going across the north atlantic that is for those planes which don't have ETOPS or the nav equipment that would be required for the typical atlantic crossing in the north atlantic track system.
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RE: By the way

Tue Jan 19, 1999 7:50 pm

Think back to the 1960's when Trans Australia Airlines (TAA) and Ansett were receiving DC-9 30's. They came all the way across the Pacific with a few stops but with cabins full of extra fuel tanks!!

RE: Stupid question?

Tue Jan 19, 1999 9:53 pm

Most times they will start in Northern Canada
(Gander) and if fuel is needed enroute, they usually fuel in Iceland.
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RE: Stupid question?

Wed Jan 20, 1999 2:23 am

First, an empty plane with full fuel tanks can go further. Second, they make fuel stops along the way. Thirdly, sometimes the plane is broken into pieces and transported via ship; and re-assembled at the destination. It all depends on customer demand, aircraft capability, weather and other factors.
I read an article on ferrying ATR-42 from France to the US. The trip took 2 days and made fuel stops in Ireland, Iceland, Canada and the US. It's not a pleasent experience even for the pilots. They have to deal with storms over the Atlantic and long overwater navigation. But this is not the worst. Imagine making a delivery trip of a Shorts-360 to a customer in Asia.
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RE: Stupid question?

Wed Jan 20, 1999 2:53 am

Florida- DC, Gander, Greenland, Keflavik, Shannon- and then wherever you want to.....
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RE: Stupid question?

Wed Jan 20, 1999 4:32 am

We had a couple of Aussie built Nomads that where being ferried from Japan to the states stop throught we I used to work. They had stopped for fuel in Petroplavask(spelling???) Russia and the flew to Cold Bay, Alaska where I saw them. They had the seats taken out of them had about a dozen fifty-five gallon drums stacked inside for more fuel. They where gavity feeding into another tank and then pumped into the aircrafts main tanks. If I remember the setup right, This was three years ago. Don't know where the went after that. I think they went to either Sitka or Ketchikan Alaska on the other side of the gulf.

For those of you not familar with the Nomad. It was an Aussie built aircraft about the size of a Twin Otter with two Allison 250 engines. It was built to operate about the same type of flights as the Trotter.

RE: Stupid question?

Wed Jan 20, 1999 7:56 am

You can fly Cessnas or most any small plane over the Atlantic, but you have to make quite a few stops. You can read December's Pilot magazine to read about a man who took his Baron (?) single-engined plane from the UK to the US and back.

Noel Benford

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