FlyGuyClt
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NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:47 am

Northwest Airlines (NWAC) plans to call back to work 200 furloughed pilots in 2005, a figure that could top 400, the Air Lines Pilots Association said late Tuesday. Pilots are being brought back to the cockpit due to Northwest's plans to increase its flying next year as it has increased its fleet of planes. There are about 725 Northwest pilots on furlough. About 100 are expected to return before year-end, ALPA said.

Things are looking up for NWA. Lets hope this is the beginning of an up swing in U.S. Aviation ! Good luck to NWA professionals and all airline professionals around the globe from every country and every airline.

Safe Flying  Smile

This is in addition to NWA's plans to recall up to 650 flight attendants.

[Edited 2004-11-10 00:48:55]
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DeltaGuy
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:08 am

Unfortunately it'll still be years before we see everyone back with all the airlines, and newhires starting to come aboard. Some guys from US and UA may never see the cockpit with their airlines again...

DeltaGuy
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:17 am

Nice going Big Red! Glad to see another airline headding in the right direction.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
 
PSU.DTW.SCE
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:17 am

Here's a theory, that I'm wondering......

NWA is recalling pilots
NWA is recalling FA's
Mesaba and Pinnacle are hiring a lot of new pilots

Could the 4th bank be returning in MEM in 2005?
 
azjubilee
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:28 am

PSU - don't get ahead of yourself there. NWA is recalling due to retirements and planned growth. Pinnacle is hiring because they're still growing and have to staff the planes they have and are getting. Mesaba is only hiring to cover attritian. We are not growing and probably will not grow anytime soon.

Though it will be interesting to see what happens with the NWA70 issue - if all or most are recalled by the time the first new 70 seat jet is on property they won't have much of an argument to staff them with furloughed pilots. Where do they go from there? Interesting.


AZJ
 
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:35 am

Why is attrition so high at XJ?
Its not like anyone is really hiring out there, or are they just fed up with the whole deal.

Why does NW have one of the more "secret" plans out there in the industry.

Everyone and their brother knows what AA, CO, United, etc are up to. It seems like between NW and their regionals, a surprise is always bound to pop up.

With the NWA70 issue coming up in Feb 05, should be interesting to see what all happens next year.
 
azjubilee
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:45 am

We're losing captains to Southwest, AirTran and America West. The FOs that are leaving are leaving out of pure digust. Digusted with the pay, abuse, lack of career progression... you name it. More captains are leaving however.

Our vacancy notices only have a handfull of positions available. The largest class is starting next month I think with 12 FOs. In the past they've only been hiring 5-6 and with stacks of thousands of resumes, it's selective.


AZJ
 
m404
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:46 am

I doubt Jubilee is saying attrition is higher at XJ. It's just the only factor they have to absorb new crews. With no new equipment slated for them after the Saabs what other reason is their? Or has anyone heard about the 70 seaters being divided between the two?

I'd like to know Northwests thinking about the supposed undesirability of owning your regional now versus the XJ type relation. Yeah, I know Pinnacle is now public but I wonder what percentage of that overinflated initial offering actually ended up in "public" hands.
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azjubilee
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:55 am

M404 - Mesaba took delivery of its last new plane in 2000. The saabs that came over from Pinnacle don't count... as there were A model retirements and I think our net after that was 1 extra plane. Nothing has been discussed regarding the 70 seat issue. As PSU mentioned, that will be opened in Feb 05 and it is the desire of NWA pilots for them to crew those planes. We'll see how that develops. IMO it will become a jets for jobs back stab at Mesaba or Pinnacle. But with Pinnacle at that point to be in heated and protracted negotiations, my bet is on Mesaba.

I think NWA is still enamoured with the fact they don't own XJ or PNCL. They don't need to either. There are no benefits to owning us.. they can still control us with a stranglehold through a contract. As has always been the case at XJ after the Swensons left.

By keeping everything a secret and keeping us in the dark it plays with our emotions. Like our contract debacle... there was no need to drag it out. They did so, however to beat us down and be willing to accept whatever piece of crap TA was put in front of our faces. 2/3 bit... and 1/3 didn't. NWA loves playing games. Good for business... bad for morale and loyaly.




AZJ
 
nwafflyer
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:01 am

Mesaba has real problems these days -- Pinnacle is much much more successful, but the Mesaba attitude makes me avoid those flights -- rude flight attendants on both the RJ's and on the SAAB's, awful gate attendants for the SAAB in the C terminal at DTW. And, when Mesaba tells me, a NWA platinum fflyer, that they won't put my bags on the SAAB, and my bags were at the airport well in advance, I get totally furious -- doing all I can, including longer layovers now, to avoid any Mesaba flights --
 
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:05 am

Nwafflyer,

Im sorry you are having so many problems with Mesaba.....THANK YOU for flying with NWA!!!! I and all of us appreciate your business!
THANK YOU FOR FLYING NORTHWEST AIRLINES, WE TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS!
 
nwafflyer
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:06 am

I love NWA, for about 100,000 miles a year, fly them by choice whenever I can -- and have no Pinnacle problems either -- but please, Mesaba -- get your act together
 
m404
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:28 am

Azjubilee

believe me that game playing works on both sides. NW is constantly playing the mainline against the "Links" employees on the ground too. Good business I guess as far a saving a buck is concerned and who's to say they are wrong considering relative positions in the industry. In the hubs, management has done everything in their power to have NW agents do what is seen as Link work in certain jobs. This is fine in theory as the feeling is NW is there anyway but it's the staffing that's unrealistic. If link says they cannot keep personnel because of the low pay and unappealing (on purpose) hours then it's NW staffs job to pick up all the pieces they've dropped while doing their own work. NW managers have been trapped into admitting this.
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nwafflyer
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:34 am

Oh please now -- the gate attendants in DTW C concourse are all Mesaba -- and, they are rude, uncooperative and not at all helpful to any passenger -- have watched too many elderly people/women with small children/people in wheel chairs being shoved aside by Mesaba people. No wonder NWA now operates the RJ's, and they now are in A concourse -- we're almost back to the old "G" DTW concourse with the fumes, smells, and rudeness --
 
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:44 am

Nwafflyer,

NWA doesn't operate any RJ's. What you are referring to is the Arvo's that use a few gates over on A. Guess what? Those flights are worked by Mesaba agents.

Remember, the brand new C concourse will be opening in a year or so and will drastically improve things.

There are two problems which explain what you have observered:
1) Too few employees working too many flights and gates
2) The DTW factor.....Detroit isn't exactly the most friendly city in the world, and just by their very nature, this attitude is present in some employees, not just limited to XJ or NW, but any airline or any company for that matter.
 
nwafflyer
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:49 am

Thank you PSU -- the AVRO's on A concourse, are OK -- although the gate attendant is usually not cooperative - try flying standby -- watch the plane leave, while the gate attendant says 6 empty seats -- but the C concourse SAAB's are the worst -- the planes are great, enjoy flying on them in "a" seats -- but trying to get on one, with internet tickets is almost impossible -- every time I book travel at NWA.com, I have to remember to call and get my seat confirmed -- otherwise, I'm "bounced"
 
SparkyN501
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:27 am

OK...I held off as long as I could. First we seem to have gone to a whole new topic, so let me just say way to go NW! Good luck to all the furloughed guys, I hope your number is one of the ones called back!

Nwafflyer

I am sorry that you have had some bad experiences with the Mesaba folks on the C concourse. I hesitate to even say this because you are sure to tell me I am wrong, but the things you have described here are the exception. I see gate agents everyday, being paid 9 bucks an hour, being yelled at, cursed at, threatened, and abused, and I have seen the majority of them do it with a smile, and then bend over backwards to help the passengers.

As I said I apologize for the poor service you have received, but please do not characterize an entire work force, and an Airline, by what amounts to a few bad experiences you have had. This is unfair to the people that bust their butts with a smile everyday doing everything they can to help you.

No doubt there are bad apples. At 9 bucks, you take what you can get, and try to make the best out of them. I wish I could wave the magic wand and "poof" highly skilled, qualified, genuine nice people appeared at the gates, but this is the real world.

Lastly - NWA is the one that overbooks the Saabs, not Mesaba. Mesaba has zero say in how many seats are sold. The gate agents just have to try to find 2,3,5,8 unlucky people that want to the next flight to BFE in 8 hours! Mesaba flies 3 flights a day to Alpena, not 15 flights a day to Chicago. They do the best they can!!

I do thank you for your business, both on NW and XJ, but please think about the majority of us who do it right, and get you safely to where you are going every time.
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FlyGuyClt
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:59 am

WOW ! ! ! Good News is posted and the fights begin.

Ding Ding !

Safe Flying  Smile

Cheers to a better year in aviation.
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SparkyN501
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:03 pm

flyguy - Thanks for sharing some good news!! Sorry your topic turned into a slug fest!

Arguing with a pilot is like mudwrestling a pig. After awhile you begin to think the pig likes it.
 
m404
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:04 am

Azjubilee and other NW Link pilots

I just received the following msg as an insert in a mailing from a NW Employee (not company but Employee) news service. Does anyone have any details of this or concrete info on 70 seater crewing.

NWA pilot deal blocks Regional partners from adding RJs
Dateline: Wednesday November 10, 2004

The new cost-cutting agreement between Northwest Airlines and its pilots, which was ratified last week (ATWOnline, Nov. 8), effectively will bar the carrier's existing Airlink partners Pinnacle and Mesaba from operating any of the 40 additional 50-seat RJs permitted under terms of the contract, a Regional airline source told ATWOnline.

NWA instead will outsource the flying to a third party, possibly to avoid the too-many-eggs-in-one-basket syndrome. Such a supplier would have to provide the aircraft, requiring no capital investment from Northwest.
Last week NWA said that new pilot agreement will allow it to reduce its annual pilot costs by $265 million in each of the next two years.--Sandra Arnoult




The above is the extent of the ATW Online article
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azjubilee
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RE: NWA To Recall Pilots In 2005

Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:12 am

There have been no discussions regarding the NWA 70 seat jet issue. THe NWA pilots have stated their wishes, but no discussions have taken place. They're scheduled to be done so at a later date.

The clause for the 3rd Airlink is good in theory, but it will lead to many many problems IMO. From a business standpoint it will allow NWA near instant coverage in markets that would be abandonded by a failing carrier. Say US should liquidate, or UA closes a hub... one of their Express carriers will be out of a lot of work. It is NWAs idea to contract with them, bringing their own planes to be involved with a turn key operation so that NWA can capitalize on business that would go to someone else.

Bringing a 3rd Airlink in, with specifics that Mesaba and PInnacle cannot bid on this work is backstabbing at its finest. The NWA pilots once said "brand scope" or "family scope" was paramount. That was to say that Mesaba, Pinnacle and NWA pilots will all stick together to reduce the whipsawing amongst us and from outside threats. Well, with this, the NWA pilots have opened up that can of words. I'll leave it there, because this issue can be the subject of very long threads.

AZJ

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