RJ100
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Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:30 pm

Hello

According to easyJet's marketing chief, they are planning to launch Berlin/SXF-Istanbul flights next year!

I understand that there is demand for this route (Berlin is the largest "Turkish" city outside of Turkey). Honestly I think, a lot of European cities could need a daily easyJet flight to Istanbul.
However, I always thought that with the LCC system, you should offer short flights to keep costs down.

Any thoughts?

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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:39 pm

>According to easyJet's marketing chief, they are planning to launch Berlin/SXF-Istanbul flights next year!

I understand that there is demand for this route (Berlin is the largest "Turkish" city outside of Turkey). Honestly I think, a lot of European cities could need a daily easyJet flight to Istanbul.
However, I always thought that with the LCC system, you should offer short flights to keep costs down.<

First off, SXF-IST is only 928nm (1718 km), so that is definately a short haul flight (2 hours perhaps). Second, it is actually even better for a LCC to fly long haul. As flights get longer, costs per mile go down because you use much less fuel in cruise than on take off, spend less on MX, less wear and tear, etc. In fact, US LCCs are now focusing more on adding Trans-continental flights than on short hauls. These are flights of about 4000-4500km, far from short hauls. LCCs also succeed in big traffic markets. They are less concerned about yield than about capacity and make money if they fill their planes. Easyjet is smart to go after this route. I only wonder where Ryanair will fly as their alternative to IST  Big thumbs up
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:26 pm

Finally! I have been waiting for more low cost flights to IST for a long time. Currently IST is served by Germanwings from CGN and STR, they fly into the new airport at the Asian side. And Corendon / Onur Air fly from Holland. I think Istanbul would be a great market for low cost flights, because besides the many Turks living in Europe, it is a beautiful city to visit for tourists.

The new Sabiha Gökcen airport would be a good place for Ryanair, but they might go to Izmir instead and call it Istanbul South  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:30 pm

@RJ100: If it is a certain marketing manager at EZY who was based in GVA before, I wouldn't believe everything he says ...

I am quite sure easyJet would not get traffic rights between Berlin and Istanbul.
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:39 pm

How can EasyJet get rights to fly Turkey - Berlin. EasyJet arent a German company. In the same way KLMuk wanted to operate STN WAW as Buzz, but werent permitted, as they were a dutch company.
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:53 pm

@Thomas_Jaeger: You mean Mr. P.V. don't you? Big grin

So only German and Turkish carriers are allowed to fly routes between Germany and Turkey?

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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:55 pm

RJ100, because Turkey is outside of the EU, then yes, I guess so.

Wouldnt mind seeing a NCL-ATH route sometime (easyJet are you listening  Laugh out loud ) - Pretty sure all those Greek students in Newcastle area wouldnt mind either
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:05 pm


...in that case, i guess Easyjet is already thinking of flying to North-Africa from its French and Swiss bases. I hope they will announce that as soon as possible Big grin
 
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:28 pm

IST was served quite frequently by the old Sunways from the UK, but also all over Europe

GKirk-i went NCL-ATH on Sevenair!!! it was a popular destination, i think in summer it was air miles or someone who did the route
 
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:36 pm

Sevenair, summer 04 NCL-ATH was served on a friday night by Aegean Airlines, as it will be for Summer 05
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:47 pm

Sevenair... Charter servives have different rules, allowing Britannia to fly DUB SFB for example.

Note that Ryanair cant fly from the UK to any non EEA markets also.

However, EasySwiss can fly from Basel to Istanbul or North Africa...
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:57 pm

Yep, P.V.

We have seen all those new routes out of GVA and ZRH happening, right?  Smile Especially this six times daily ZRH-GVA shuttle  Smile
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:28 pm

yeha, i know, i wasd merely stating there could be a demand for it over here,
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:34 pm

Easyjet setup easyjet Switzerland to get around this rule, (didn't they??) so is easyJet Deutschland beyond any comprehension??
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:19 pm

The chicago convention has the 5+3 freedoms of flight. The first two are technical freedoms and 3,4,5 are traffic rights. 7 allows for carrier od state A to fly passengers from state B to state C with certain conditions. All member states would have to have an agreement for this flight, unless the registration is changed to the state of origin (germany) this would make it a regular 3rd and 4th rights.... sorry im studying for my jaa ATPL exams and there is so much on this very topic and cabotage as well....i thought id say something

It would be nice to have EasyJet in Turkey, especially serving the south of turkey, bring more tourists!  Smile
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:49 pm

" Second, it is actually even better for a LCC to fly long haul. As flights get longer, costs per mile go down because you use much less fuel in cruise than on take off, spend less on MX, less wear and tear, etc. In fact, US LCCs are now focusing more on adding Trans-continental flights than on short hauls. These are flights of about 4000-4500km, far from short hauls. LCCs also succeed in big traffic markets."

It's actually WORSE for an LCC to fly long haul, as 1) the cost structure for long haul flights is largely fixed, leaving little room for a cost advantage vis-a-vis the legacy carriers, and 2) LCC service concepts increasingly fall out of favor as stage length increases - when you start talking about 4-5+ hours flights, passengers start to expect that meals, etc. will be provided by the airline free of charge.
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:36 am

7LBAC111 :

easyJet Switzerland was needed because, back a few years ago, there were no billateral air treaty between Switzerland and the EU, and a UK airline could not operate flights from Switz. to the EU.
So easyJet bought a part (40%) of a small, bankrupt Swiss charter airline called TEA Switzerland, and made it a franchise partner, ultimately operating on behalf of easyJet only.

DBA was supposed to have the same role as TEA, until easyJet pulled out of the deal.
 
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:20 am

Stelios will be in a meeting in Istanbul one of these days. I am not sure how EasyJet will offer this route, it's already swamped with charter airlines offering pretty good ticket prices.

Recently THY moved to a lower cost fare buckets as well. My LHR-IST-LHR ticket cost me only 189 quids in late September on a full service airline. I am sure some charter airlines can offer even lower fares..

But, regardless of question marks , EasyJet will be welcomed in Istanbul. I wonder if they will use Sabiha Gokcen instead of Ataturk airport.
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:33 am

If Easy really opens IST the use of Sabiha Gokcen would most likely allow faster turn-arround times and less waiting in tak-off clearance line in Attaturk.
Big portions of customers live on asian-side anyhow ,since the line could be attractive not only for tourist but turkish workers living in Germany.
On the long run ,low-cost flight to currently "forbidden" countries like Morocco,Algeria or Tunisia will certainly be offered from french airports as well.
But with the cost-structure of Turkish Airlines ,THY might try to challenge any newcommer and offer "service" flights at slightly higher fares than Lowcosts would offer ,once you count the cost of meals or drinks paid individually...
The amount of flights from german airports to Turkey is mind-buggling - although Antalia takes a big part of that trafic.On certain days medium-sized airports like NUE have 10 flights to Antalia and several other flights to differnt destinations in Turkey.If you count the trafic from other german airports,that must make nearly 70-80Flights/day from germany to Turkey !!!
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RE: Istanbul To Become EasyJet Destination

Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:46 am

This is really irritating since I'm flying TXL-IST within two weeks on Turkish. The fare wasn't bad but I bet Easyjet will bring down the fares even further.