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Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:33 am

Referring to this thread from more than a year ago:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1211114/

I'd like to know if you ever heard anything positive or constructive in response to your letter.


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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:07 am

Yea, what ever happened with that? I was actually thinking about that a couple of weeks ago.



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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:49 am

Whoa Mario I never heard about this! I am shocked. I also hope the guy with you wasn't Matt! He would have went ape!

It is amazing how we get treated. I get harassed at IFP all winter but they never have gone that far, just asked me what I am doing and leave me alone. I almost got into an argument with some dumb women one day when I was near the fence but I decided it wasn't worth it and went over to the baggage claim.

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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:09 am

Pathetic...I couldn't get out on the ramp with my OWN DAD (who has ramp access) because I didn't have an identification. I AM 13 YEARS OLD, WHAT TERRORISM CAN I DO? I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp  Crying

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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:15 pm

It is a shame. Though I agree with the security measures in the post 9/11 era spotting and taking pictures means you have to deal with such BS!!
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:43 pm

I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp

That doesn't sound like a legitimate reason to be out on the ramp to me.
 
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:23 am

Wow. I just read the original post. Scary.

Normally when a police officer searches a vehicle or any personal effects, he has to have probable cause...for example, if you're pulled over and the officer detects the odor of marijuana, that would be probable cause enough to search your vehicle, person, and personal effects. Or, if he suspects you have a weapon, for safety reasons. I guess I don't see what probable cause he had here...maybe b/c the spotter had a camera, this met the criteria of "suspicious activity"? Or, maybe he was "hoping" he had something he could've busted him on...you know, to be a "hero".

I dunno. I can understand them asking some basic questions, but some of their actions were unnecessary. It's sad that we live in a country where law-abiding citizens are treated like criminals. If this is what our nation has come to, the terrorists have already won.

Personally, I think he should have consulted a lawyer. I'd love to see some sort of legal action on behalf of law-abiding spotters!
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:25 am

I agree but down the road it would go nowhere, the courts would just say that the police were erring on the side of caution in this post 9/11 era. Sad but true. I would rather spot at FRG you can see more that just those ugly WN planes!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:39 am

While I have very mixed feelings about the security aspect, one has only to look at the news to see how much damage 13 year olds can do !! Terrorists will use children in a heartbeat if it serves their purpose!!
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:14 am

Its so much easier to spot at FRG than ISP.



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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:35 pm

Your right Joe! BTW the get together has been pushed back a little to early December, you better be in town!
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:05 am

I agree but down the road it would go nowhere, the courts would just say that the police were erring on the side of caution in this post 9/11 era. Sad but true. I would rather spot at FRG you can see more that just those ugly WN planes!

You're probably right, it's just sad that the certain rights under the Constitution (i.e., against unlawful search and seizure and Habeas Corpus, specifically) are distorted for the purpose of fighting terrorism, or ignored altogether b/c of erring on the side of caution.

I'm sure some people might retort, "So what are they supposed to do? Not do anything, and risk a terrorist attack occurring?" but I think that a reasonable balance can be obtained.
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:44 am

After reading the entire thread the second thought that entered my mind was "There's one in every crowd..."
Mirrodie; What's the latest with this incident?
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:28 am

Pathetic...I couldn't get out on the ramp with my OWN DAD (who has ramp access) because I didn't have an identification. I AM 13 YEARS OLD,

If you were in the UK you would not get onto the ramp until you were a minimum of 16 YO and even then you have to have a legitimate reason for being there.

Elsewhere on this board B747-437B talks about superficial pax security. In my experience the superficial security in the US is ramp access. Anybody seems to be able to get airside provided you know someone with a full airside pass.

It is not beyond the realms of possibilities for a ramp pass holders family to be held hostage in order to get an undesirable airside.



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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:48 am

Mirrodie????





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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:05 am

Joe, I didn't understand that last post. You of course should know Mario!
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:17 am

I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp

That doesn't sound like a legitimate reason to be out on the ramp to me.


I agree. If you're not out there on a job-related function, then you absolutely shouldn't be out there. It doesn't matter if your dad has ramp access or not.... he has it for a reason related to work, you don't.

You'll have to take pictures from outside the fence....
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:28 am

Back 2000 or sometime around then, my friend's dad (who works/worked at Gatwick) took me and my friend into the maintenance area at Gatwick (by the FLS hangars). On the way in he asked the guard if it would be ok, showing that he worked here and we were let in. It was fun parking up next to a British Airways B747-400 and being able to get out and have a look around the aircraft.

Then, two years on in 2002 i asked my friend if his dad would be able to take us in again and have a look and his dad said that even he would not be able to go in, unless he was working, let alone taking two teenagers in.

Shows what terrorism did!

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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:55 am

his dad said that even he would not be able to go in, unless he was working,

That has always been the case,even before 9/11.

Access to the Maint area is not as strict as the Terminal area.
 
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:06 am

NIKV69,
lol I didn't mean whos Mirrodie, I meant Mirrodie, are you there?


sry about that.


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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:02 am

I AM 13 YEARS OLD, WHAT TERRORISM CAN I DO?

A whole hell of a lot if a 13 year old was trained and of the proper mind set. I know this is an extreme example, but in Vietnam the VC would strap a bomb on a little boy or girl, tell them to go close to a US soldier(s), and then set the bomb off. I know that someone like you would not do that, but there is always a chance that some other 13 year old could.
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RE: Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)

Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:14 am

Well guys I would never want to bring injury to people or property as I am a God-fearing person. Besides, security probably had no idea whether or not my Dad was working or not. We could get to other parts on the ramp which made zero sense to me, such as the cargo ramp where the ATA L-1011s are usually parked, but not out to the deicing ramp. I think part of the reason was that there was aircraft activity but I can't think of any other reasons. And by the way I think we are a little off subject.

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