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What If A Boeing 767-300LR Longer Range

Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:55 pm

From what I understand the 767 family has several issues that could make it an even more successful program:

  • The 767-200ER has ample range but due to the limited capacity it costs too much to fly the people that fit in to the maximum radius.

  • The 767-300ER has sweet capacity but a range just short of making it the aircraft of choice for some thin city pairs like those I could think of linking BRU and the likes of LAX (this one is not too much of a problem), BKK, HKG, SIN,... This without imposing too many restrictions to the loads.

  • The 767-400ER has more capacity (not always needed) but hindered range and therefore fails like all of the above.

Would it be possible to think of a 767-300LR (I don't think the variant exists) that would have the capacity of the 300, the range of the 200 (even a bit more) and the wing/whatever improvements of the 400 (Signature interior not being relevant to this equation)?

I know that the 7E7-8 sounds much like this product (just with even more range and more cargo space) but it is presented as a 757 replacement, not as a 757 and 767 replacement. Although the first rendering of the 7E7 was a 767-400ER with a 7E7 paint job on the tail. Any news about the 767 assembly line? Is it really here to stay for commercial frames? Or will it as I believe be a successor to the 767, not to the 757.
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RE: What If A Boeing 767-300LR Longer Range

Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:06 pm

The fact that B767 cannot carry 2 LD3 pallets side by side is already a disadvantage. Making a 767-300LR will not help much with 7E7 in the plans.

Besides, the A330-200 can perform a better job, so making a 767-300LR is basically reduntant.
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RE: What If A Boeing 767-300LR Longer Range

Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:39 pm

Then the intriguing question.

What if Boeing had designed the 767 with an A300/310/330/340/350 section from the start? They would have fitted those bloody LD3's side by side, they would have been able to compete with Airbus on most of the new products they (Airbus) built, and they wouldn't have hindered the 747's sales and perspectives with building the 777 since that hypothetical 767 design would probably have provided the answers the 777 was brought in for, at least prior to today's very long range derivatives.

Strategic mistake or lack of vision?
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RE: What If A Boeing 767-300LR Longer Range

Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:11 pm

Boeing was thinking about passenger comfort from the start in having a 2-3-2 layout in Y class, which would reduce the chances of being in "the middle seat." This is what Boeing was thinking back in the late 70's.
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