hardiwv
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AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:48 pm

As of 16 December/04 AA will start new nonstop service from Miami/MIA to Montevideo/MVD, Uruguay, 3 x week. Currently, MVD is served via EZE.

In South America, AA has also announced increased services to the following destinations (direct nonstop):

- MIA-GIG = 2 additional flights, to 12 x week;
- MIA-GRU = 3 additional flights, to 21 x week;
- MIA-BOG = 1 additional flight, to 21 x week;

"Latin Trade magazine readers again selected American Airlines as the best airline, voted the AAdvantage program as best in its class, and chose the São Paulo Admirals Club lounge as one of the best VIP clubs in Latin America. The magazine, with a circulation of 400,000, conducted its annual survey among its readers who travel primarily on business to Latin America".

It seems that AA is becoming the incontested airline between South America and the US.

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:10 am

MIA-BOG is only seasonal. And its one more daily, not one more weekly flight.
 
hardiwv
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:13 am

RCS763av:

The info about AA's increased flights to MVD, BOG, GRU and GIG are from AA's webpage:

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_11/01_mia_service.jhtml

Overall, it's great to see AA connect MIA with MVD direct nonstop! AA is also consolidating itself in Colombia and Brazil.

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:00 am

This is great but what planes will they be adding on these routes and where will they be getting the from?? Also, do you think it would be smarter to keep the 777s on the routes to South America??

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:37 pm

Does anyone else besides me think that American may try a nonstop from Miami to Asuncion as well? Of course, this would be after they see how well the Montevideo flights do.

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:59 pm

AAplatnumflier,


Also, do you think it would be smarter to keep the 777s on the routes to South America??

That's going to be tough as AA is not going to receive any additional 777s for the time being, and currently they are all being used for routes to London, Tokyo and Sao Paulo, which are three of the airline's flagship routes.

In any case, the 777 would definitely not be the indicated aircraft for routes to South America, especially considering AA's configuration, which is aimed mainly for business routes. AA is, in my opinion, fine sending two-class aircraft with large capacity in economy to most of their destinations in South America.


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LUV4JFK,


Does anyone else besides me think that American may try a nonstop from Miami to Asuncion as well?

It is to my understanding that AA has indeed looked at ASU for splitting the route independently. It would be interesting and definitely convinient for the Paraguayan community as AA is the only carrier providing a direct link between ASU and the United States.



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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:53 pm

Does UA still serve Uruguay? Or did they kill service there sometime back?
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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:17 pm

Does anyone else besides me think that American may try a nonstop from Miami to Asuncion as well? Of course, this would be after they see how well the Montevideo flights do.


MIA-ASU non-stop service was announced in 1999, but never started. It was going to be daily.

AA does plan on inagurating MIA-ASU non-stop service, maybe as soon as summer 2005. I was a little surprised that MVD got non-stops first. However, MVD is a much higher yielding market.

That's going to be tough as AA is not going to receive any additional 777s for the time being,

While this may change, AA will start taking delivery of new 777s in 2006.

Does UA still serve Uruguay?

Yes, Montevideo is a strong performing market for UA (as well as AA) thanks to strong passenger and cargo yields and limited compietition.
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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:55 pm

As stated above AA uses what T7 is has on LHR NRT GRU JFK etc. Using their two class 767 on other routes seems to be a good thing for them right now.

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Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:43 am

"Does anyone else besides me think that American may try a nonstop from Miami to Asuncion as well? "

Taking into account that AA has a strong cooperation with TAM, the owner of the ASU-based airline TAM Mercosur, it would make sense for AA to start code-share direct non-stop flights ASU-MIA. I'm sure it would be a boost for the Paraguayan community, as SOUTHAMERICA correctly pointed out.

You have to keep in mind that AA is doing well on their leg GRU-ASU. AA has traffic rights GRU-ASU (B767), this flights is NOT codeshared with TAM - which already operates 14 x week GRU-ASU (F100), RG operates 7 x week (B737). And I'm sure TAM would like to see AA out of the ASU-GRU market.

Interesting enough, IB some weeks ago, also started nonstop flights MAD-MVD, and ASU continues without direct link to MAD. Currently IB serves ASU via GRU, the ongoing flight GRU-ASU is operated by TAM, codeshare with IB.

Question: How does UA serve MVD? Via GRU or EZE, and from IAD or ORD?

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:54 am

Hardiww,

UA serves MVD via EZE, with passengers connecting from their IAD-EZE and ORD-EZE flights. On the 4x/week AA serves MVD indirectly, it will also connect passengers through EZE.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I actually PREFER the connection through EZE since I live in NYC and prefer to connect through EZE, rather than MIA on my way to MVD. Plus, I get to stop off in Bs.As. either on my way to or back from MVD.
 
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AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:22 pm

Pdpsol:

Interesting. I can note that the AA flight via EZE to MVD has advantages for you, as you can break your trip in EZE. Do you have to pay extra for this?

Also, since you live in NYC, your flights seems rather long, righ? NYC-ORD/IAD-EZE-MVD....how many hours altogether?

I'm sure the quickest way for you to go from NYC to MVD would be with VARIG JFK-GRU, connecting in GRU to MVD, right?

Wel,, you can expect that AA will sometime in the future upgrade MVD to daily services MIA-MVD. Also, once Uruguay is approved to CAT-I, I have no doubts that PU will start operations MVD-MIA.

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:14 am

I'm sure the quickest way for you to go from NYC to MVD would be with VARIG JFK-GRU, connecting in GRU to MVD, right?

That's one way. Another is JFK-EZE-MVD with AA or AR...

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Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:07 am

LVZXV:

Tks for pointing it out. And JFK-EZE-MVD with AA would certainly seem more attractive to Pdpsol, since likes to break his trip in EZE for a time out.

Interesting, and I was also not aware AR was operating JFK-EZE. Is it daily and what a/c AR uses? But why did you say JFK-EZE-MVD option with AA? Does AA serve MVD from MIA and JFK? Or both flights JFK and MIA arrive about the same time in EZE and pax can then connect to the AA flight to MVD (MIA-EZE-MVD)?

Some foreign airlines do the same in Brazil: CO operates EWR-GRU-GIG and IAH-GRU daily, both a/c arrive/depart about the same time in GRU so that pax can connect to/from GIG on the EWR flight - sorry if the explanation was confusing  Smile

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Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:42 am

Hardi:

Sorry, you were right. AA serves MVD as an appendix of the MIA service, not the JFK, while UA link MVD via EZE with IAD.

AR would therefore be the quickest way to MVD from JFK. AR's JFK-EZE schedule is as follows:

AR 1301 - 18:15/07:10 - Non-stop - A340 - Tue.
AR 1311 - 16:05/07:25 - 1 stop - A340 - Mon./Fri.

AR 1311 stops at in MIA, if I am not mistaken. With the A340s still undergoing their 8C-Checks (therefore only 3 available instead of the usual 4), sometimes a 747-200 is used, but not often.


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Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:04 am

ZXV,

Tks for the details!

Second best option from JFK to MVD:

Varig
RG 8865 JFK 18:45 - GRU 07:15, M11 - daily, nonstop
RG 7362 GRU 08:30- MVD 11:05, 737 - daily, nonstop
= Total travel time: 13h20min =

ZXV, something not yet mentioned under this thread is that URUGUAY HAS FINALISED AN OPEN SKIES AGREEMENT WITH THE US on 31 October/04. Apparently it was used to as a lobby to upgrade the country to CAT-I. This replaces the previous Agreement dated 1964. It completely opens the Uruguayan airpace for US airlines.

The Uruguayan Minister of Transport stated that "this open skies agreement will transform MVD in a regional hub, and Uruguay will heavily invest in Carrasco airport to this end. The MVD hub will aim to serve the following detinations: Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Rosário, Mendoza, Assuncion and even Buenos Aires" (translated from Spanish).

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:01 am

The Uruguayan Minister of Transport stated that "this open skies agreement will transform MVD in a regional hub, and Uruguay will heavily invest in Carrasco airport to this end. The MVD hub will aim to serve the following detinations: Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Rosário, Mendoza, Assuncion and even Buenos Aires" (translated from Spanish).

I've heard that a daughter company of Aeropuertos Argentina 2000 will operate Carrasco during the next years. I have also been told that a Carrasco Masterplan is being designed, and it will include a runway expantion. However, my source isn't very reliable. Can anyone please confirm?

By the way, Carrasco's website has recently been upgraded and now it looks great. You can check it out at http://www.aic.com.uy

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RE: AA Nonstop To Uruguay

Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:47 am

WOW!

So I'm guessing AA will be the airline to start service out of MVD???

Very complex scenario if you count in AA/OneWorld, Pluna/RG/STAR and JJ/AA...very interesting to see what will happen.

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:35 am

Do you think that this open skies agreement with the US will really affect the aviation market in the sub-regional context? Is this going to change MVD's status a secondary or tertiary airport? In my point of view, it will be very difficult for MVD to compete with GRU and EZE.

The MVD hub will aim to serve the following detinations: Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Rosário, Mendoza, Assuncion and even Buenos Aires

I don't see how this could possibly work. If you don't even receive daily nonstop intercontinental flights the airport cannot act as a feeder to other cities. All of the above cities are well served by EZE and GRU.

MVD is a difficult case, since it is squeezed by two major airports, GRU and EZE, and the national airline is managed by RG, which has its own interests in GRU. But I see with positive eyes the fact that they are improving the airport and have more ambitions in terms of regional networking.

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:52 am

Hardi:

I have been following commercial aviation in S America,as a hobby for 45 years, I do not like to write but I have been an avid reader and with the advent of the internet, I have been able to enjoy my hobby and my retirement.

I believe AA is testing the waters here, they are in an agreement with Uair to connect passengers to Rosario and Cordoba same as Iberia is doing, therefore they are increasing their chances for this route. Time will tell

Carrasco has been temporarily fixed and gates added. A brand new building is going to be built, it has been designed by an American architectural form headed by Uruguayan born Rafael Viñoli you can check the design by going to and check their projects and click in Carrasco International. Also runways are being extended, as a matter of fact that is phase 1

Carrasco is operated by a corporation called Puerta del Sur that is owned 30% by AA2000 from Argentina and the rest by AIA headed by John H Sununu former chief of staff for George H W Bush (father) and The Malpesa airport authority. As you can imagine getting more passengers through the airport is of vital importance for their profitability. They paid 34 million USD for the right to operate the airport.

Open Skies agreement was signed you can go to the American embassy Uruguay website and get the jest of the agreement, I agree it benefits Uruguay but only after they get upgraded to CATI.

RG is ready to sell PU as a matter of fact there is a letter of intent signed and the buyer is a British firm Ashmore Funds, information available at just do a search for pluna and it will pop-up. The government of Uruguay approved providing all information not like when AR was trying to buy PU, they signaled very early in the process that they wanted RG out but that they wanted somebody from outside the region as partners. LVZXV in the UK could do some research

RG owns 49% of PU, Uruguay owns 48% and the other 3% is owned by 2 private parties and the employees. But the clincher is that when it was sold in public auction the government kept the right of veto of managing partner therefore nobody is going to bid for the shares owned by RG without their approval.

As you can see there are many pieces to this puzzle, if you add to that the announcement by PU that they are starting CCS and MEX all the pieces coming together indicates to me that there is a sort of master plan to generate more traffic through MVD. Not only tourism but business traffic and cargo, they have to know because they have been feeding all this traffic to RG in GRU.

I hope all this makes some sense and I will continue reading your posts

 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:08 am

Box37:

Very interesting post, indeed! Thanks for all the information you provided.

I believe AA is testing the waters here, they are in an agreement with Uair to connect passengers to Rosario and Cordoba same as Iberia is doing

Agree with you, but first we have to see whether UAIR will really fly, because recent indicators are not so good, such as load factor (about 45%?). Also, UAIR is partially owned by TAM. What is the interest of TAM in the Uruguayan market? Maybe to enlarge the range of ASU-based TAM Mercosur? Or maybe to enter the Uruguayan market before the Brazilian GOL does so, as GOL CEO Mr. Constantino announced last week? MVD will be one of GOL's new destinations in 2005.

A brand new building is going to be built

Indeed, and the master plan is available in Carrasco webpage! I think transforming MVD into a regional hub could be a good way, and there are plenty of models to be followed: Dubai, Singapore, Amsterdam are successful examples. The fact that MVD is squeezed between EZE/AEP (AR) and GRU (RG, JJ) is a formidable challenge.

Open Skies agreement was signed you can go to the American embassy Uruguay website and get the jest of the agreement, I agree it benefits Uruguay but only after they get upgraded to CATI.

Completely agree with you. But after the open skies agreement, there is no doubt that the US will upgrade Uruguay to CAT-I, in my point of view. Of course, first the US will allow for its carriers to dominate the MVD market, as AA and UA are doing.

RG is ready to sell PU as a matter of fact there is a letter of intent signed and the buyer is a British firm Ashmore Funds

Indeed, there were some initial converations between RG and AR, and afterwards between RG and IB, the latter still continuing. RG is certainly not interested to see AR dominate the traffic in MVD. It will be a difficult solution. I will look for further information about this British Firm, something which is new for me.

and I will continue reading your posts

And we hope you continue to contribute with our forum! Your first contribution was excellent!

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