ClipperAurora
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HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:38 pm

With all the money that Bombardier and Embraer are making on regional jets these days, and with Airbus beating boeing in the larger aircraft orders, why don't they try to grab some of the regional market.....

I bet that AMR group would have prefered to use boeing aircraft for regionals, as well as Continental (all boeing fleet) and possibly many others

your thoughts?
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:55 pm

Boeing should have bought the Dornier 728 project when they had the chance. With already $1.5B invested, all the employees/tooling were still intact, they clearly had a turn-key program.

Clearly the 50-90 seat market is the fastest growing segment and investing in Russian projects will not be accepted by the mainstream.

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:22 pm

I'd say that Boeing is smart enough to not enter yet another battle field at a time where the, quite bloody, battle is already raging...

They do a great job at building planes for 100 pax and more, they've got their hands busy at developing the B7e7 - why get into yet another field?

Anyhow, they're - if I recall correctly - cooperating with one of the Russian design bureaus on he development of a regional jet, so they are - indirectly - involved in RJs...

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:30 pm

Well Bombardier might not be arround for such a long time any longer,since their debt-papers have been rated "junkbonds". Making tramways ,trains and aircraft in the same group does not seem to work very well together.
Boeing have a joint venture with Suchoi on devlopping a regional jet ,but doubts make be permitted as to the viability of the project.
Focus of Boeing is clearly on military business and yields obtained from basically unchallenged Department of Defence procurements.There is some competition for Boeing in the US for mil business but uncomparable less than in the civil aviation sector.And Bush 2 will defenitely not cut dramatically in mil-spending- so good times ahead for Boeings defence division.
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:36 pm

"With all the money that Bombardier and Embraer are making on regional jets these days...

Actually, Bombardier Regional Aircraft hasn't made a profit for the past 3 years. Also, regional aircraft sales are almost all dependent upon concessionary government financing. It isn't worth it for Boeing to go there.
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:13 am

Thats like saying, HEY CESSNA......Why no ultra long range, super dooper triple decker jumbos? Ultimately, Cessna make small private aircraft, Embraer and Bombardier make regional jets and Airbus and Boeing make passenger jets. So why change their business plans?

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:24 am


Boeing are in the larger a/c business, they always have been. Apart from when the started, but there first A/C was big for the day. A lot of airlines fly long-haul or have large PAX numbers, so they require the larger A/C. Ever since the larger Boeing A/C started operation, they have kept upgrading there larger jets, like the

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:27 am

The should make a Boeing 1-11!

Or a

Boeing E170


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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:05 am

Isnt the 737-600 the closest thing boeing has to an RJ?
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:14 am

Isnt the 737-600 the closest thing boeing has to an RJ?

No... the 717-200 is a true "RJ." The defenition of RJ has been blurred in the last few years, it use to mean a 50-100 seat aircraft that would fly less than 1000 nm. The 717 is of this vouge, it doesn't have long-range capability but it's designed for short, rapid cycles with little down-time. The E170-E190 are more for long-ranged point-to-point flying than they are for true regional flights.

Airlines are trying to replace some mainline aircraft with less expensive "RJs," which is why the E190 is attractice, it has the range to fly many sectors a 737/A320 would fly. The 717 is still an excellent regional aircraft, but is either too large or too heavy to fit the newer niche created by the E170/E190
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:31 am

Technically, at one time they did. Boeing owned de Haviland Canada (builder of the Dash 8 and Dash 7) until it was sold to Bombardier in 1992.

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:08 am

the 737-600 and the 717 hold roughly the same amounts of passengers give or take 1 or 2
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:14 am

"The 717 is of this vouge, it doesn't have long-range capability but it's designed for short, rapid cycles with little down-time. The E170-E190 are more for long-ranged point-to-point flying than they are for true regional flights."

The 717-200 the has the same range as the E195. BTW, I am curious as to how the E-jets are not "designed for short, rapid cycles with little down-time."  Smile
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:15 am

The Boeing 717 is tough metal. Nothing in the Airbus, let alone Embraer, product lines has that kind of known service longevity. E-jets seem ok so far, but they are all young.

E-jets have longer range. They are not as heavily built. In time, they may be durable... or maybe not. One thing we do know is the 717/DC-9 is indestructible. Its balanced design results in high performance. But of course, for a variety of reasons (mainly crew pay), the E-jets are more attractive to airlines lately.

While it may not be fair to call the E-170 flimsy, compared to the B 717 it almost certainly is. Ask a mechanic, he'll tell you about American planes versus Airbus / Embraer. The word "disposable" comes up often when discussing Airbus / Embraer.
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:31 am

The word "disposable" comes up often when discussing Airbus / Embraer.

Yes, on a.net... but not in that real world that you can get into, once you log off the internet...

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:29 am

Why invest in the RJ market. I predict it will die soon enough. Its going to not be worth it in a couple of years.

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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:56 pm

Ya I agree. Things that grow in an airline and aircraft eviroment don't seem to stay that way for long. Pretty soon the regional aircraft will start reaching the max. and will not be growing as fast. The demand will start to decrease so I think its better that boeing sticks with what it has mastered. Great job Boeing! Keep up the hard work.
 
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RE: HEY BOEING......why No Regional Jets

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:01 pm

HEY AIRBUS.......why no Regional Jets  Big grin

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