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NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:02 am

Anyone have info on this week's NFL Charters ?

Team / Airline Used / Travel Location / Flight Equipment used.

Any info appreciated.

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:34 am

Looks the Chiefs are using Delta to visit the Saints in New Orleans. Don't know what type a/c.

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:34 am

I know the Carolina Panthers usually charter a US Airways 757-200 or 767-200. They are playing in San Francisco today so I would guess it will probably be a 762. I think all of US's 762's are ER...but I am not sure on that.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:46 am

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:30 am

The Bills use a World MD11 for away games. Does anyone know who the Browns and Rams use ?
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:40 am

The Eagles took a NW 742 to Dallas, It came in at 10am to pick them up. Good Luck Eagles!
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:48 am

a 742 landing at DFW? hmm, that's a site you don't see everyday.

with all the hundreds of millions teams are worth, why don't owners purchase planes for their teams? Could get a nice used 737 for $50mil.  Smile

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:56 am

Could get a nice used 737 for $50mil.

You couldn't fit all the cargo in the bins that NFL teams like to take with them, but they could always leave some behind. There is barely enough room in a 757 for what they would like to take.

Does anyone know who the Browns and Rams use ?

Both are at home this week, but the Browns use DL. Not certain about the Rams.
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:10 am

Could get a used 767 then?  Smile

How much to airlines charge for these charter flights?

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Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:38 am

The Bears flew into Nashville yesterday on a UAL 757.
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:02 am

Tampa Bay came up to Atlanta yesterday on a NW 753. Nothing on Flytecomm about when they're returning to TPA.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:05 am

"You couldn't fit all the cargo in the bins that NFL teams like to take with them, but they could always leave some behind. There is barely enough room in a 757 for what they would like to take."
It didn't seem to be a problem when TW had a 727 fly them around.

Anyway, does anybody know what type of configuration these a/c have? I always ask this question but it seems like nobody knows . . . I can't see a lineman sit in a Y seats with 32'' pitch!
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:07 am

Its not feasible for an NFL team to own a plane, considering it would only be used about 8-10 times a year. Plus the smallest aircraft they'd use would be a 757, so the costs involved do not add up.

On the other hand, many NBA, NHL, and MLB teams own their own plane due to the amount of travel each team does.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:08 am

Jacksonville and Buffalo each use World MD11s for away games.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:09 am

There aren't enough games in an NFL season to make it worth it to purchase an aircraft. MLB would be more apt to purchasing an aircraft.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:10 am

I know the Colts use an NW753 when they travel. And of course pretty much everyone knows about Oakland using an HA762.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:20 am

It didn't seem to be a problem when TW had a 727 fly them around

Pretty good size bins in the 727. I wasn't saying they couldn't use a smaller aircraft it would just limit some the amount of equipment they bring.

Anyway, does anybody know what type of configuration these a/c have?

Its a standard configured aircraft; nothing special. The linemen aren't crammed in middle seats or anything as they typically will have 3 seats in the middle section of a 767 or 3 seats to themselves on a 757. Usually on the NFL charters there is always a seat next to you open.
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:31 am

thanks for all the info.

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Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:44 am

" And of course pretty much everyone knows about Oakland using an HA762."

HA 763, you mean?

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:51 am

Here's a really stupid question about transport, for both military and sports. How do they (the passengers) decide who sits where. I know that for example, UA loaned some of its 744s to the US Military for transports. Which lucky guys get the first suites, and which get regular coach?
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:37 pm

It didn't seem to be a problem when TW had a 727 fly them around

Um that was a different era of football. Now you have a ton of equipment, a ton of cry baby players who need extra room. The B757 is a minimum sized aircraft in my opinion. And plus they still have to use ground sources to bring in some of their equipment. I am from TYS, and the University of Tennessee uses DL for their charters. Typically they use the B757( depending on the size of the airport they are flying to) for the players, staff, and personnel bags. They then truck their equipment. This is a college team, so I figure the pros have it even more luxurious.


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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:51 pm

The Eagles took a NW 742 to Dallas, It came in at 10am to pick them up. Good Luck Eagles!

Looks like the Eagles upgraded. In the past they would use NW 752s. That's probably the only time one would see a NW plane larger than a A320 at PHL.
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:59 pm

>There aren't enough games in an NFL season to make it worth it to purchase an aircraft. MLB would be more apt to purchasing an aircraft.<

Righto. In fact, I believe every MLB team (except the Expos, who are owned by MLB) owns their own plane. It is just practical. Otherwise, I would assume they charter one for the whole year.
In the NBA, some teams own and some charter. NW is big on chartering planes to the NBA, often their retired from PAX service 727s. I know the Lakers own their own plane and contract an airline to fly it.

>The Eagles took a NW 742 to Dallas, It came in at 10am to pick them up. Good Luck Eagles!

Looks like the Eagles upgraded. In the past they would use NW 752s. That's probably the only time one would see a NW plane larger than a A320 at PHL.<

NW allows (during the regular season) one upgrade to a DC-10 and one upgrade to a 742. During the playoffs, it is all widebodies.
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:09 pm

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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:08 am

There was a "Champion Air" 727-200 at PHX-Skyharbor on Saturday, parked about 200 meters west of Gate 7 at Terminal 3 (in between terminals 2&3). Is that the plane that the Giants took to the game, or was that Washington State's plane (they were in town playing the ASU Sundevils)?

Looking at the Champion Air website, they state that College and Pro charters are their game.
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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:16 am

There was a "Champion Air" 727-200 at PHX-Skyharbor on Saturday, parked about 200 meters west of Gate 7 at Terminal 3 (in between terminals 2&3). Is that the plane that the Giants took to the game, or was that Washington State's plane (they were in town playing the ASU Sundevils)?

It was likely neither. The Sacramento Kings were in Phoenix to play the Suns on Saturday night. It was probably their charter. A number of former NW NBA team charters moved over to Champion this year (Lakers, for one, this is likely another team that switched-doesn't NW either own or operate Champion?).

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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:09 am

A World MD-11 was at the BOS north parking area this weekend, so that would have been the Buffalo Bills aircraft. Didn't catch the reg, sorry guys!
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:22 am

Rob,it was probably N803DE,that's the one that's taken them 3 times from BUF.

Anyone know who the Rams use ? Maybe A^A because of STL?
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:28 am

1) 757-200 is the "typical" ship for NFL charters....it can usually accommodate the team, coaches, staff, and equipment. The latter is a major determinant in A/C selection.

2) Most charter contracts are fleeted at time of signing....some long haul trips are upgraded to widebodies etc depending on team's request, airline availability, etc.

3) On average, most NFL teams haul about 12,000 lbs of stuff. Definitely bulks out the bins, and usually the team equipment managers work with the airline ramp folks in proper sorting, loading and stacking of gear to fit it all in. There are times when it needs to be trucked/expedited via ground.

4) Players usually sit in coach, with empty seats between players. Depending on # of seats and people traveling, there is surprisingly enough room for offensive lineman.

5) Many teams do assigned seating, with coaches and front office personnel being in FC, PR folks, equipment mgr types, charter escort, etc in front of coach, players in rear.

A lot of the specific demands and stipulations depend on the NFL team in question, their "reputation" and way they deal with the airline(s), etc.

The charter landscape, at least in the NFL, has changed a lot over the past few years. NW had 13 teams just a couple years ago, but have pulled back their NFL work sizably. CO doesn't even bother with it much anymore.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:53 am

most upgrades to widebodies involve games where the teams families get to travel with the team.
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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:07 am

Champion is its own company -- not owned by NW. However, its fleet is largely ex-NW 727s.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:55 am

NW sold its share of Champion a few years ago, as for the RAMS, the Rams are also chartered by Northwest.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 am

Very few MLB teams own their own planes.

When Carolina came to Seattle last week they flew on a USAir a321.

Seattle flys on one of Paul Allen's 757-200's, as do the Portland Trailblazers. The Seattle Mariners also charter one of Paul Allen's 752's quite often.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:09 am

The NY Yankees don't have their own aircraft.

They use a Continental Airlines B738
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:44 am

This year the NY Yankees started using a Northwest A320 for their charter flights.

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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:02 am

And the Atlanta Braves, and Boston Red Sox fly Delta
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:11 am

And the Atlanta Braves, and Boston Red Sox fly Delta

When the Red Sox returned from St. Louis following their winning the World Series, one news video showed them deboarding a DL 767 after arriving at BOS the following morning. I'm assuming that it was a 767 the camera view didn't show the entire plane.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:24 am

The World MD-11 that flew Buffalo to New England landed at Logan in Boston instead of Providence, owing (I'm told) to the tight parking of that plane in PVD. That may be so, but Buffalo flew the MD-11 into Providence last year so I'm not sure what changed from last year to this year. I was wondering whether it was a curfew thing, inasmuch as the flight taking the Bills back to Buffalo left Logan after 2am. Perhaps Logan allows departures at that time while PVD may not.

As for the Boston Red Sox and the New England Patriots using Delta, I'm wondering whether the teams gets 'free' charters in exchange for the signage at Fenway and at Gillette Stadium?

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RE: NFL Charters

Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:54 am

The Dallas Cowboys use American Airlines, they used to use BN when BN was in business. In fact, back in the "ultra" scheme for BN right before their first bankruptcy, BN painted a Cowboys helmet on one of the B-727's. Probably one of the first somewhat advertisements or special schemes on a plane.

The Dallas Mavericks fly in Mark Cuban's B-757. Tail number is N802DM if I am not mistaken. It has its own website with the same url. That plane is chartered out a BUNCH when not used by the Mavericks.

Also, the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Stars use a 727 since they are owned by the same man, Tom Hicks. Although due to the NHL strike, that plane hasn't moved for a while from Dallas Love Field.



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RE: NFL Charters

Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:29 am

Well,here we go again for another week! I know the Rams will be in BUF . I read that NW does thier flying. Maybe they'll bring in a DC10 - that would bw worth the drive to BUF!
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:32 am

Here's the schedule:

Sunday, Nov. 21
Arizona at Carolina, 1:00 p.m. Dallas at Baltimore, 1:00 p.m.
Denver at New Orleans, 1:00 p.m. Detroit at Minnesota, 1:00 p.m.
Indianapolis at Chicago, 1:00 p.m. N.Y. Jets at Cleveland, 1:00 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati, 1:00 p.m. San Francisco at Tampa Bay, 1:00 p.m.
St. Louis at Buffalo, 1:00 p.m. Tennessee at Jacksonville, 1:00 p.m.
Miami at Seattle, 4:05 p.m. San Diego at Oakland, 4:05 p.m.
Atlanta at N.Y. Giants, 4:15 p.m. Washington at Philadelphia, 4:15 p.m.
Green Bay at Houston, 8:30 p.m.
Monday, Nov. 22
New England at Kansas City, 9:00 p.m.
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RE: NFL Charters

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:23 am

ChrisNH,
The Bills make the decision on where they want to fly, not the airline.The decision to use PVD last year was made based on the location of their hotel. This year they elected to switch to BOS.

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Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:29 am

Well the Rams used a A^A 757. The weather sucked here anyways.
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RE: NFL Charters

Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:03 pm

The Tennessee Titans are on a DL752 most of the time... There were a few times early in this season that they were on a DL762 or 763.

So far for this season, we have photos in the database from here in Nashville of the Browns coming and going on a DL763, the Packers arriving on a NW 753, the Colts leaving on a NW752 and Jacksonville arriving on a World MD-11.

There are also various shots of the Titans leaving on DL 752s, 762s and 763s.

Middle Tennessee State University (MTSU) has been using a Pace/Hooters Air 752 this year for their charters (minus the Hooters girls).


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RE: NFL Charters

Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:10 pm

As some one who has worked many, many charters, each team has their own "style and feel". The Yankees are spoiled brats on board. The Philly's are really nice guys. The rams, depends if they won or lost the game..if they won, total blast, if they lost, they are rude, gross and just mean to the crews. The Broncos are usually polite guys. You can have the Cowboys, their is one word that comes to mind for them..as*&^%#S! ...The Vikings are nice guys...
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RE: NFL Charters

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:31 pm

Im curious as to any pilots here who have ever flown one of these NFL charters. How much trouble is weight and balence with all these line men aboard? Do they have to stay in assigned seating?
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:56 pm

The Red Sox actually came back from St. Louis on an DL MD88. During the regular season they also used both mainline and Song 757s.
 
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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:36 am

I don't know where you're coming up with the statement that the Red Sox used an MD-88 upon returning from St. Louis. You're factually wrong; they used a 767-300, which was shown on TV AND onboard, in a photograph I have showing Jason Varitek sitting with the Championship trophy on the 767-300.

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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:35 am

I think the Denver Broncos Still Use UAL I don't Know what A/C they Use now.. The Used a 752 when they beat Green Bay in the Superbowl...

And I think that the Colorado Rockies use Frontier A319


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RE: NFL Charters

Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:24 am

The broncos came into DFW once on a UA 763 a couple of years back when they played the cowboys.
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