corey07850
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Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:51 am

I'm trying to compile information on the cause of ground based accidents and incidents due to bad weather. Can anyone out there point me to some relevant links or information, including statistics that I may have missed??
 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:33 am

Three accidents that immediaely come to mind are the NWA 727/DC9 runway collision at DTW, the Pan Am/KLM runway collision at Tenerife, and that one in Italy (SAS MD80?) where they collided with another aircraft crossing the runway. Fog was a factor in all three. You also might check the FAA/NTSB sites for similar accidents, and also search for the topic of runway incursions, especially the ones that occur in low visibility conditions.

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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:40 am

Corey07850, this should give you some info: http://aviation-safety.net/events/event.php?code=WX

It lists events with Weather as a contributory cause.


OPNLguy, it was indeed an SAS MD-87: http://aviation-safety.net/database/2001/011008-0.htm

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corey07850
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:55 am

Excellent, thanks guys
 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:04 am

To elaborate on OPNL's comments.

In December 1990 in DTW a NW 727-200 on takeoff roll on 3C (now 3L), collided with a NW DC-9-10 than had accidently turned on to the active runway in heavy fog/mist conditions. The left wing of the 727 sliced through the fuselage of the DC-9 and set it on fire when the wing contacted the left engine. No injuries occured on the 727, and the only damage was to the left wing. I believe about 15 people died on the DC-9, but several survived this incident. The 727 was repaired and ended up back in service. After the incident DTW made several changes to the taxiway layout and signage to avoid a similar incident.
 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:47 am


I think that there was a Spanish ground collison some years ago, (DC9 Aviaco and B727 Iberia).

I will get details later.
 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:22 am

BENNETT123,

The accident you mentionned occured on December 7th 1983 at Madrid Barajas Airport.

The crew of the Aviaco's DC9-32 (EC-CGS) entered the Runway from which an Iberia B727 was taking off (EC-CJF). The two aircraft collided killing all on board the DC9. 51 peoples on board IB's 727 died, out of 93.


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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:26 am

a Lufthansa Airbus skidded off the runway killing the captain in Warsaw, the runway had an inch of water on it.
 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:04 am


Flyssc

Thanks for that.

According to Aviation Disasters, ISBN 1 85260 602 9 the B727 was EC-CFJ, which tried to take evasive action.

There was thick fog (Vis 300 M or less) which prevented the AVIACO crew from "obtaining sufficient visual reference in order to determine hat they were not taking the correct route to the beginning og runway 01. The weather was still above the minimum take off requirements however.

Pilot complaints of poor ground control and the absecnce of both marker lights and painted stop signs at taxiway/runway intersections had previously been lodged against Barajas Airport. Plans had actually been made for improvements that should have satisfied most of these concerns, but, tragically, the renovation programme was not to be budgeted until the year after the AVIACO/Iberia disaster".

I think that the last para says it all.

 
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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:21 am

This might be a good visual aid for you:


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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:10 pm

in addition to the incidents/accidents above:

an easyjet 737 hitting a lighting pole after sliding of the frozen taxiway at EHAM december 23rd 2003.

a transavia B752 gets blown of the runway at EHAM due to gusting crosswind, december 24th 1997.

a martinair DC10 crashed at final approach due to microburst, Faro Portugal, december 12th 1992.

maybe you'll find more info at:
http://awin.larc.nasa.gov/accident.htm

Most airports use different safety-scenarios for different weather conditions.




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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:10 am

PANAM/KLM disaster in Tenerife, Spain in March 1977. Fog (as well as improper communications with the control tower) impaired visibility on the runway. KLM 747 commenced take-off roll without proper clearance and with PANAM 747 still on the active runway.

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RE: Weather Related Ground Incidents/Accidents

Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:30 am

Don't forget DL191 the L1011 from FLL-DFW that crashed due to windshear in 85 (i believe). Other windshear related incidents that I remember off the top of my head are a 727 at MSY and a US DC9 at CLT.
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