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Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:52 am

HI, I was watching a program and saw that a pilot sucessfully landed a 737 in a field outside of New Orleans. i saw a picture of the plane and it was totally intact. I was just wondering how the FAA managed to get the plane out of there without a runway?
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:19 pm

I read up on this on airdisaster.com, and it stated that it was flown out of the field. No runway needed, I think that was one of the selling points of the 737s when they first came out, the ability to take off without a paved runway.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:54 pm

Hi,

Where can I find more info about this incident?

I used to fly TA110 several times.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:55 pm

When did this happen?
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:59 pm

Maybe some years ago.

TA's B737 gone long time ago.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:25 pm

Was it like in the 1980s? When did the Taca B737s depart the fleet?
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:49 pm

Here's a link to the incident (it wasn't a crash):

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880524-0.htm

This incident occurred about 3 years after first deliveries of the 737-300s to various airlines, and investigation of this (and other) flameout incidents revealed that the design of the nose spinner of the CFM56 engine was allowing too much water to be ingested into the engine's core. The spinner (at the time) was more pointed " > " and they changed it to a blunter, more rounded " ) " that would allow more precip to be routed into the bypass section, and not into the core. They also made internal changes to the engines.

As far as the TACA aircraft, it suffered FOD damage on the landing from ingesting whatever, and one engine had to be changed right there on-site on the levee. Once it was changed, the aircraft was ferried off the levee (don't know who actually flew it; Boeing perhaps?) back to MSY (the original destination) where they changed the other engine. TACA later disposed of the aircraft, and it later flew for Aviateca, America West, Markair, and Morris Air, and is today in Southwest's fleet as N697SW.

Then:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/taca-msy/photo.shtml

...and now:


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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:55 pm

"When did the Taca B737s depart the fleet?"
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Not so sure. But I would say maybe more than five years.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:12 pm

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:31 pm

Nevertheless, the pic shown in reply 6 didn't mention that such a/c was part of Taca's fleet!
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:46 pm

>>>Nevertheless, the pic shown in reply 6 didn't mention that such a/c was part of Taca's fleet!

True, but although the photographer didn't mention that the aircraft had once flown for TACA, you'll note the aircraft serial number mentioned in his photo is the same #23838 that's mentioned in the accident report link at the top of reply #6...  Big grin

Maybe the photographer wasn't aware of the aircraft's full history...

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:04 am

So hypothetically, what would happen if say a 767 were able to land in a field and only sustain very minor damage. How would they get it out of there? Would they try to take off, or would they have to write it off and take it apart to ship it via road?

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:54 am

OPNLguy


Thanks for the info  Smile
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:07 am

The incident occurred on May 24, 1988.

I was at a conference in Las Vegas when TACA landed on the levee on the eastern side of New Orleans.

The day we got back from Vegas, a friend and I took a ride in his 172, and flew over the levee and the 737, which had been moved to another point on the levee.

For a short time following the landing, there was talk of disassembling parts of the airplane, then barging it up the Industrial Canal (which ran adjacent to the levee) to Lakefront Airport (NEW) for reassembly. After the investigators had done their thing, the engineers and pilots took a look at the 737, and the ground on the levee (actually the ground behind the levee, the levee being the actual barrier to the canal), and decided that it could be flown off the levee. Which was precisely what they did.

If anyone is interested in a scanned copy of a picture of the 737 from the local paper, or for that matter, one of my pics scanned, let me know.

BTW, the 737 was only 3 weeks old at the time.

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:26 am

I knew the aircraft was very new, in fact I want to say it was on it's delivery flight at the time.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:29 am

It was a revenue flight. TACA 110 operating San Salvador-Belize City-New Orleans.

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:36 am

A revenue flight, Ok thanks. I hope Capt and F/O got a bonus!
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:42 am

Tom,

I'd be interested in seeing your pics and the newspaper pics from this...this is a fascinating incident...

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:48 am

USAFHummer and others interested in pictures,

Email me at my profile email with your email address, and I'll do it tonight during MNF.

Tom at MSY

PS: at the time, it was the first successful landing of a commercial jetliner at some place other than an airport.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:03 am

...in fact I want to say it was on it's delivery flight at the time

Please, try not to provide erroneous information next time.  Big grin


Good job done by the flight crew!  Big grin
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:18 am

I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel. He could have diverted at any time to Mexico to fuel up due to the unexpected high headwinds. Maybe with it being a new plane, the pilots were not trained adequately.

I feel it is a huge matter of pilot error, as even with adequate reserves, he should not have run low on Avjet.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:12 am

It landed on a 'grass strip' as in a runway though, didn't they? I don't know many fields that are 6060ft by 120ft.. Maybe thats just me and it really was just a farmers field.
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:25 am

The 'grass strip' was not a runway as we know it, in any shape, form, or fashion. The New Orleans area is surrounded by levees, that is, man made dirt barriers, to keep water out of the city itself (due to New Orleans being below sea/lake/river level). It then follows that, once this dirt is in place, that the natural progression is to have grass grow on it. Of course, once in a blue moon, the grass is mowed by either the City of New Orleans, or the Levee Board, depending on who's responsible for maintaining it.

A levee looks roughly like this: ______/----- (water)

The 737 landed on the ______ part of my tacky keyboard drawing  Big grin.

So, no, it did not land on a "grass strip" runway.

Now then, if you send me your email in the next two minutes, I'll add your name to the list of guys I'll be emailing pics to later on tonight.

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:25 am

I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel.

What did not watching the fuel and head winds have to do with this incident...? The engines both flamed out due to excessive water ingestion after flying through a squall front.
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:34 am

>>>I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel.

This was -not- a fuel-starvation scenario; check out the report linked in the top of reply #6...
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:50 am

Starman: How do you go from a water-ingestion related flameout to the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel is a little hard for me to comprehend. PLEASE, do enlighten us as to your theory on how these things could possibly be related...or maybe next time, actually read the accident reports as well as the replies posted before posting away  Big grin
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:16 am

I know a lot of Alaska Airs 737's use or at least used to use gravel runways I think some of western European airliners used to do that too.

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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:28 am

The Captain and the F/O were true heroes!!! The F/O retired as an A-320 Captain a couple of years ago ............ And the Captain is still flying at Taca ( always based in El Salvador), he flew the B-767 and became chief pilot (My chief Pilot also while I worked there ), now he flies the A-320 as a regular line Captain.....
With regards to this:
"I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel. He could have diverted at any time to Mexico to fuel up due to the unexpected high headwinds. Maybe with it being a new plane, the pilots were not trained adequately."
It sounds like our friend just wants to play "Mr.ACE" by creating his own personal theory and dishonor these fine pilots who did a terrific job and saved so many lives. READ THE FULL REPORT!!!!! THE PLANE HAD TONS OF FUEL WHEN THEY LANDED!!!!
Regarding the planes history: It never flew for Taca again..... And YES,it was brand new!! But it wasn't the airplanes first revenue flight....... It flew for 3 Weeks before the incident!!!!!
Great research OPNLguy!!!!!!
 
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RE: Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans

Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:02 pm

Welcome WorldMD11 on board A.net!

"Maybe with it being a new plane, the pilots were not trained adequately."

They were perfectly trained StearmanNut. Your comment really is an insult to the intelligence of everybody here.
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